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On July 24 2012 03:25 Firebolt145 wrote:
I suppose I'm talking from an ethical standpoint, where no one in their right mind would actually want to defend this guy.
A public defender has a moral obligation to defend whoever they are assigned to and give 100% effort to that person's defense. Public defenders can actually be fired and stripped of their law license if they are found to have not given 100% effort in defending their clients.
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On July 24 2012 03:29 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 03:25 Firebolt145 wrote:
I suppose I'm talking from an ethical standpoint, where no one in their right mind would actually want to defend this guy. A public defender has a moral obligation to defend whoever they are assigned to and give 100% effort to that person's defense. Public defenders can actually be fired and stripped of their law license if they are found to have not given 100% effort in defending their clients.
I understand this and am not arguing this either.
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I wonder what the public defender's path is going to be - it seems pretty clear cut that the guy is guilty of all charges. At best, I imagine an insanity plea?
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On July 24 2012 03:30 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 03:29 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 24 2012 03:25 Firebolt145 wrote:
I suppose I'm talking from an ethical standpoint, where no one in their right mind would actually want to defend this guy. A public defender has a moral obligation to defend whoever they are assigned to and give 100% effort to that person's defense. Public defenders can actually be fired and stripped of their law license if they are found to have not given 100% effort in defending their clients. I understand this and am not arguing this either.
If you understand that, then what is your moral question? Because their isn't one for the defender.
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Defending this guy would be good for your job, but not for when you sleep at night. Does that clarify my position?
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On July 24 2012 03:30 JinDesu wrote:
I wonder what the public defender's path is going to be - it seems pretty clear cut that the guy is guilty of all charges. At best, I imagine an insanity plea?
Maybe, or for life in prison instead of the death penalty.
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On July 24 2012 03:38 Firebolt145 wrote:
Defending this guy would be good for your job, but not for when you sleep at night. Does that clarify my position?
Yea, but I think that's just a general idea that comes with the territory of being a public defender.
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I am not a chronic conspiracy theorist, nor do i have the evidence or time or understanding of events to make a 100 percent positive claim that any event was staged by the US government or any other authority figure for their own personal gain. But, there have been many many times where governments have pulled the wool over the publics eyes and or staged events in order to gain control over the publics perception. This is not a guess or a maybe, this is standard practice by any and all governments of the world.
I suggest to anyone who dismisses these types of reasoning to maybe do some investigating of their own into what really goes on and what has gone on for hundreds of years. Do you really think that a handful of lives, or even a few hundred lives is worth billions of dollars to invisible entities that are behind our governments etc? Dont kid yourselves. People stand to make BILLIONS of dollars off of wars and conflicts and laws and whatever else.
Like i said i cant even begin to sort through all this to say whether or not it could be staged either by government or other entity that would stand to gain from this due to altering public perception of gun laws etc. I simply dont have the information or time to form an opinion that would be at all backed by anything other than speculation. But to any of you LOLing about "cRaZy CoNsPiRaCy tHeOrIsTs", dont kid yourselves, these things happen and they have happened. When 9/11 happened i was listening live to the Howard Stern show and a caller called in and said he had just seen a US plane shoot down an airplane. Later the US government claimed it was "hero passengers onboard" that tried to save the plane etc. It was a lie. A few dozen or hundred lives are NOTHING to the governments of this world, and the proof in that is throughout history and in how their operate on a day to day basis. If you dont like hearing that then thats between you and your perception of the reality of power struggle on this planet. Ive found that education on a subject matter can change your mind pretty fast, especially when you dont go looking for just the facts you want to believe.
More on topic, that dudes a terrible actor and i dont believe or one minute that hes all dazed and confused and all that BS. If i just killed a ton of people and got caught my number one priority above all else would be to convince the people around me i was crazy so that i could save myself from the death penalty and also side step some of the guilty feelings id no doubt be having in the aftermath. Look at his face.... hes acting.
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On July 22 2012 22:09 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 20:54 Holy_AT wrote:On July 22 2012 20:52 Angry_Fetus wrote:On July 22 2012 20:45 Holy_AT wrote:On July 22 2012 17:53 xM(Z wrote:On July 22 2012 07:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:On July 22 2012 06:02 xM(Z wrote:On July 22 2012 04:46 Goozen wrote:On July 22 2012 04:34 xM(Z wrote:
if he suicides himself or if death penalty would allow death by suicide, no one would be to blame, no 'new' crimminals will be born.
...but i guess that wont be good either 'cause: what about the revenge? Why call it "revenge" and not "justice"? because 'justice' is subjective. revenge (or pity) is the one that satisfies peoples ego, that gives them closure. justice, in this case, is just something to hide behind. It is about neither justice nor revenge, it's about harm reduction. And harm reduction would entail never allowing this individual to EVER threaten any innocent civilian again. Which should exclude the possibility for a perceived rehabilitation. You should rehabilitate thieves, maybe the occasional murderer, but not a mass murdering psychopath like this. And even if you could, I don't know why anyone would want to. Will this person ever redeem himself for the lives he has taken? Of course not. It would be best for victims, government, and if we had a sane system, taxpayers, for his existence to cease. And I know the counter argument that always follow... But there is little point in even bringing up the issue of doubt about guilt. Is anyone, including the killer, disputing his guilt in this case? well, not really. i was arguing under the assumption that he is guilty. the thing here is that you went with revenge but just sugarcoat it, so i don't need a counter argment. -every scenario that ends up with him losing his life = (righteous) revenge -every scenario that ends up with him living = forgiveness (pity) the only question here is: what satisfies (you)?. Its not that easy, if he is found guilty and he would be executed after the trial imediatly lets say by shooting him in the head it would only cost the bullet + the wage of lets say one hour for shooting him by an executioner or who ever. If you lock him up for the rest of his life it would cost thousands and thousands of dollars for the american tax payer. The only alternative is somesort of worker camp where he produces enough to pay for the guards and the other stuff he requires for beeing locked up. This isn't the nineteenth century. If execution was the result it surely would not be with a bullet. Modern executions are expensive affairs. Vote me for your president and I will make them cheap again ... For what purpose do you want to execute him? Seems like a strictly negative outcome to me. Why not just have him be a slave/prisoner for the rest of his life? You can at least put him to work.
Because him being a slave/prisoner helps us how? Him working does what?
In 2007, around $74 billion was spent on corrections.The total number of inmates in 2007 in federal, state, and local lockups was 2,419,241.That comes to around $30,600 per inmate.
In 2005, it cost an average of $23,876 dollars per state prisoner. State prison spending varied widely, from $45,000 a year in Rhode Island to $13,000 in Louisiana.
In California in 2009, it cost an average of $47,102 a year to incarcerate an inmate in state prison. From 2001 to 2009, the average annual cost increased by about $19,500.]
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On July 24 2012 03:45 dotHead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 22:09 DoubleReed wrote:On July 22 2012 20:54 Holy_AT wrote:On July 22 2012 20:52 Angry_Fetus wrote:On July 22 2012 20:45 Holy_AT wrote:On July 22 2012 17:53 xM(Z wrote:On July 22 2012 07:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:On July 22 2012 06:02 xM(Z wrote:On July 22 2012 04:46 Goozen wrote:On July 22 2012 04:34 xM(Z wrote:
if he suicides himself or if death penalty would allow death by suicide, no one would be to blame, no 'new' crimminals will be born.
...but i guess that wont be good either 'cause: what about the revenge? Why call it "revenge" and not "justice"? because 'justice' is subjective. revenge (or pity) is the one that satisfies peoples ego, that gives them closure. justice, in this case, is just something to hide behind. It is about neither justice nor revenge, it's about harm reduction. And harm reduction would entail never allowing this individual to EVER threaten any innocent civilian again. Which should exclude the possibility for a perceived rehabilitation. You should rehabilitate thieves, maybe the occasional murderer, but not a mass murdering psychopath like this. And even if you could, I don't know why anyone would want to. Will this person ever redeem himself for the lives he has taken? Of course not. It would be best for victims, government, and if we had a sane system, taxpayers, for his existence to cease. And I know the counter argument that always follow... But there is little point in even bringing up the issue of doubt about guilt. Is anyone, including the killer, disputing his guilt in this case? well, not really. i was arguing under the assumption that he is guilty. the thing here is that you went with revenge but just sugarcoat it, so i don't need a counter argment. -every scenario that ends up with him losing his life = (righteous) revenge -every scenario that ends up with him living = forgiveness (pity) the only question here is: what satisfies (you)?. Its not that easy, if he is found guilty and he would be executed after the trial imediatly lets say by shooting him in the head it would only cost the bullet + the wage of lets say one hour for shooting him by an executioner or who ever. If you lock him up for the rest of his life it would cost thousands and thousands of dollars for the american tax payer. The only alternative is somesort of worker camp where he produces enough to pay for the guards and the other stuff he requires for beeing locked up. This isn't the nineteenth century. If execution was the result it surely would not be with a bullet. Modern executions are expensive affairs. Vote me for your president and I will make them cheap again ... For what purpose do you want to execute him? Seems like a strictly negative outcome to me. Why not just have him be a slave/prisoner for the rest of his life? You can at least put him to work. Because him being a slave/prisoner helps us how? Him working does what? In 2007, around $74 billion was spent on corrections.The total number of inmates in 2007 in federal, state, and local lockups was 2,419,241.That comes to around $30,600 per inmate.
In 2005, it cost an average of $23,876 dollars per state prisoner. State prison spending varied widely, from $45,000 a year in Rhode Island to $13,000 in Louisiana.
In California in 2009, it cost an average of $47,102 a year to incarcerate an inmate in state prison. From 2001 to 2009, the average annual cost increased by about $19,500.]
The problem isn't just having people in prison, it's our absolutely atrocious prison system. We have system that just condition inmates for more violence instead of rehabilitating them. Furthermore, our system doesn't even put them to use in any appreciable way. Of course it's going to cost us a shitload per prisoner; the U.S. has one of the worst prison systems in the world.
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On July 24 2012 03:44 captainshards wrote:
I am not a chronic conspiracy theorist, nor do i have the evidence or time or understanding of events to make a 100 percent positive claim that any event was staged by the US government or any other authority figure for their own personal gain. But, there have been many many times where governments have pulled the wool over the publics eyes and or staged events in order to gain control over the publics perception. This is not a guess or a maybe, this is standard practice by any and all governments of the world.
I suggest to anyone who dismisses these types of reasoning to maybe do some investigating of their own into what really goes on and what has gone on for hundreds of years. Do you really think that a handful of lives, or even a few hundred lives is worth billions of dollars to invisible entities that are behind our governments etc? Dont kid yourselves. People stand to make BILLIONS of dollars off of wars and conflicts and laws and whatever else.
Like i said i cant even begin to sort through all this to say whether or not it could be staged either by government or other entity that would stand to gain from this due to altering public perception of gun laws etc. I simply dont have the information or time to form an opinion that would be at all backed by anything other than speculation. But to any of you LOLing about "cRaZy CoNsPiRaCy tHeOrIsTs", dont kid yourselves, these things happen and they have happened. When 9/11 happened i was listening live to the Howard Stern show and a caller called in and said he had just seen a US plane shoot down an airplane. Later the US government claimed it was "hero passengers onboard" that tried to save the plane etc. It was a lie. A few dozen or hundred lives are NOTHING to the governments of this world, and the proof in that is throughout history and in how their operate on a day to day basis. If you dont like hearing that then thats between you and your perception of the reality of power struggle on this planet. Ive found that education on a subject matter can change your mind pretty fast, especially when you dont go looking for just the facts you want to believe.
More on topic, that dudes a terrible actor and i dont believe or one minute that hes all dazed and confused and all that BS. If i just killed a ton of people and got caught my number one priority above all else would be to convince the people around me i was crazy so that i could save myself from the death penalty and also side step some of the guilty feelings id no doubt be having in the aftermath. Look at his face.... hes acting.
Would you like to share some sources for those bold bold claims? No thought not.
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I just dont understand this country when it comes to these things.
FIrst of all, why is he still considered a 'susepct'...the he is 'suspected' of commiting this crime. They say that they need to be granted full access to the crime scene to collect 'scientific evidence'. Even to the dumbest blonde in the world, he obviously did everything that everyone thinks and knows that he did. Stop the fluff, just say in your little repetitive news articles that he IS the one that did it.
Secondly, why are they wasting so much time and money on these court appearances? Just get to the damn point with it. There is no way he is getting out of this, he is going to get life in prison or death, and everyone knows it. But instead, they have to go through 200 different 'preceedings' and read off all of this nonsense jargon before they actually make something happen.
Third, even if he was (and he wont be, he is a sane person that is in control of his own actions) deamed 'mentally insane', there is still no reason to not hang the guy. These people keep the insane in cages, pumping them with medications to try to "understand them". If he was insane, and he killed all of these people, there is no reason to help him in any way. Idiots say all the time "oh well we have to keep ethics in mind when we deal with him, he is still a human being and we have to bend over backwards so people dont get offended and blah this and blah that. If we harm him then we are just as bad as he is" ... NO YOU FUCKING RETARD. If you beat him senseless before you finally kill him, you are doing the world a favor. You are showing all those will-be criminals out there what will happen to them once they get caught. There is no such thing as being "too harsh" to a proven murderer.
There is no question that he commited the act, there is no suspicion or skeptics, therefore there is no reason to spend more than 5 minutes in a courtroom wasting time and money and effort on it. They should put him on a stage, give anyone that wants to say soemthing to him 1 minute each, and after they are done he should be publically hung and then cremated.
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On July 24 2012 03:49 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 03:44 captainshards wrote:
I am not a chronic conspiracy theorist, nor do i have the evidence or time or understanding of events to make a 100 percent positive claim that any event was staged by the US government or any other authority figure for their own personal gain. But, there have been many many times where governments have pulled the wool over the publics eyes and or staged events in order to gain control over the publics perception. This is not a guess or a maybe, this is standard practice by any and all governments of the world.
I suggest to anyone who dismisses these types of reasoning to maybe do some investigating of their own into what really goes on and what has gone on for hundreds of years. Do you really think that a handful of lives, or even a few hundred lives is worth billions of dollars to invisible entities that are behind our governments etc? Dont kid yourselves. People stand to make BILLIONS of dollars off of wars and conflicts and laws and whatever else.
Like i said i cant even begin to sort through all this to say whether or not it could be staged either by government or other entity that would stand to gain from this due to altering public perception of gun laws etc. I simply dont have the information or time to form an opinion that would be at all backed by anything other than speculation. But to any of you LOLing about "cRaZy CoNsPiRaCy tHeOrIsTs", dont kid yourselves, these things happen and they have happened. When 9/11 happened i was listening live to the Howard Stern show and a caller called in and said he had just seen a US plane shoot down an airplane. Later the US government claimed it was "hero passengers onboard" that tried to save the plane etc. It was a lie. A few dozen or hundred lives are NOTHING to the governments of this world, and the proof in that is throughout history and in how their operate on a day to day basis. If you dont like hearing that then thats between you and your perception of the reality of power struggle on this planet. Ive found that education on a subject matter can change your mind pretty fast, especially when you dont go looking for just the facts you want to believe.
More on topic, that dudes a terrible actor and i dont believe or one minute that hes all dazed and confused and all that BS. If i just killed a ton of people and got caught my number one priority above all else would be to convince the people around me i was crazy so that i could save myself from the death penalty and also side step some of the guilty feelings id no doubt be having in the aftermath. Look at his face.... hes acting. Would you like to share some sources for those bold bold claims? No thought not.
There have been many facts historically. Im not your library, go look them up yourself. And im not here to convince you, convince yourself. Dont "be like me", go find out your own opinion. Whether or not this forum thread solves the history of mankinds ugly past or not means nothing ultimately. Do your own research and come to your own conclusion. Ive done mine, and what i personally have some to accept is that for every man who wouldnt hurt a fly there are dozens who couldnt care less about anyone as long as they can gain control over something. Every time i look inside myself and see someone who refuses to hurt another to gain i see 10 stories on the news about people killing each other over nike shoes or a difference of opinion that is so ridiculously trivial that its baffling. So what ive found is that people come in a variety of shades of morality. Ive also found that you can convince yourself of anything you want. Even an extremely caring and intelligent person can turn evil pretty fast if they are jilted or start to lose their purpose in life. Its basically anarchy out there. And people who are in power didnt get there by being nice. They didnt get there by caring about every little blade of grass along the pathway. Its sad but its true.
Im not your google, nor do i care to be. Believe what you want to. Ive never seen anyone change their mind until they wanted to, on any subject matter.
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On July 24 2012 03:50 ishyishy wrote:
I just dont understand this country when it comes to these things.
FIrst of all, why is he still considered a 'susepct'...the he is 'suspected' of commiting this crime. They say that they need to be granted full access to the crime scene to collect 'scientific evidence'. Even to the dumbest blonde in the world, he obviously did everything that everyone thinks and knows that he did. Stop the fluff, just say in your little repetitive news articles that he IS the one that did it.
Secondly, why are they wasting so much time and money on these court appearances? Just get to the damn point with it. There is no way he is getting out of this, he is going to get life in prison or death, and everyone knows it. But instead, they have to go through 200 different 'preceedings' and read off all of this nonsense jargon before they actually make something happen.
Third, even if he was (and he wont be, he is a sane person that is in control of his own actions) deamed 'mentally insane', there is still no reason to not hang the guy. These people keep the insane in cages, pumping them with medications to try to "understand them". If he was insane, and he killed all of these people, there is no reason to help him in any way. Idiots say all the time "oh well we have to keep ethics in mind when we deal with him, he is still a human being and we have to bend over backwards so people dont get offended and blah this and blah that. If we harm him then we are just as bad as he is" ... NO YOU FUCKING RETARD. If you beat him senseless before you finally kill him, you are doing the world a favor. You are showing all those will-be criminals out there what will happen to them once they get caught. There is no such thing as being "too harsh" to a proven murderer.
There is no question that he commited the act, there is no suspicion or skeptics, therefore there is no reason to spend more than 5 minutes in a courtroom wasting time and money and effort on it. They should put him on a stage, give anyone that wants to say soemthing to him 1 minute each, and after they are done he should be publically hung and then cremated.
He is a suspect, because he hasn't been proven guilty in a court of law. The legal system works a very specific way in the United States, and most other countries as well. Because of liability, they have to make sure everything is perfect so he doesn't get off because of a technicality. Where do you live that you know nothing about the laws of the civil world?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus
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I don't see how the insanity thing is going to fly. Insane people don't go to school to get PHDs in neuroscience. He's most likely a sociopath who has no empathy whatsoever. That's not being insane, that's just being a douche. Death penalty is too good for this guy. Life in prison, with plenty of prison loving in the shower should do the trick.
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On July 24 2012 04:02 fishjie wrote:
I don't see how the insanity thing is going to fly. Insane people don't go to school to get PHDs in neuroscience. He's most likely a sociopath who has no empathy whatsoever. That's not being insane, that's just being a douche. Death penalty is too good for this guy. Life in prison, with plenty of prison loving in the shower should do the trick.
It's funny that you say this, it is very common for people with severe mental illness to be highly educated, or to seek it. Onset for schizophrenia, and a lot of other mental illness is between the ages of 18 and 25 for men. At the hospital my wife works at, most of the psych ward is twenty something college students, who woke up one day, and weren't the same.
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On July 24 2012 04:02 fishjie wrote:
I don't see how the insanity thing is going to fly. Insane people don't go to school to get PHDs in neuroscience. He's most likely a sociopath who has no empathy whatsoever. That's not being insane, that's just being a douche. Death penalty is too good for this guy. Life in prison, with plenty of prison loving in the shower should do the trick.
And if he likes getting fucked in prison... . . . . .. .?
Your logic is horrible, and I completely disagree with your morals and other peoples in the thread.
Get rid of the dude sure, kill him. But have him tortured too? Wat. You're a bad human being.
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On July 24 2012 03:58 dotHead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 03:50 ishyishy wrote:
I just dont understand this country when it comes to these things.
FIrst of all, why is he still considered a 'susepct'...the he is 'suspected' of commiting this crime. They say that they need to be granted full access to the crime scene to collect 'scientific evidence'. Even to the dumbest blonde in the world, he obviously did everything that everyone thinks and knows that he did. Stop the fluff, just say in your little repetitive news articles that he IS the one that did it.
Secondly, why are they wasting so much time and money on these court appearances? Just get to the damn point with it. There is no way he is getting out of this, he is going to get life in prison or death, and everyone knows it. But instead, they have to go through 200 different 'preceedings' and read off all of this nonsense jargon before they actually make something happen.
Third, even if he was (and he wont be, he is a sane person that is in control of his own actions) deamed 'mentally insane', there is still no reason to not hang the guy. These people keep the insane in cages, pumping them with medications to try to "understand them". If he was insane, and he killed all of these people, there is no reason to help him in any way. Idiots say all the time "oh well we have to keep ethics in mind when we deal with him, he is still a human being and we have to bend over backwards so people dont get offended and blah this and blah that. If we harm him then we are just as bad as he is" ... NO YOU FUCKING RETARD. If you beat him senseless before you finally kill him, you are doing the world a favor. You are showing all those will-be criminals out there what will happen to them once they get caught. There is no such thing as being "too harsh" to a proven murderer.
There is no question that he commited the act, there is no suspicion or skeptics, therefore there is no reason to spend more than 5 minutes in a courtroom wasting time and money and effort on it. They should put him on a stage, give anyone that wants to say soemthing to him 1 minute each, and after they are done he should be publically hung and then cremated. He is a suspect, because he hasn't been proven guilty in a court of law. The legal system works a very specific way in the United States, and most other countries as well. Because of liability, they have to make sure everything is perfect so he doesn't get off because of a technicality. Where do you live that you know nothing about the laws of the civil world? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus
So how exactly do the US treat suspects? I just got this on my twitter feed:
Maybe you should let a drone kill him, or is my reasoning off?
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On July 24 2012 04:13 Alvin853 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 03:58 dotHead wrote:On July 24 2012 03:50 ishyishy wrote:
I just dont understand this country when it comes to these things.
FIrst of all, why is he still considered a 'susepct'...the he is 'suspected' of commiting this crime. They say that they need to be granted full access to the crime scene to collect 'scientific evidence'. Even to the dumbest blonde in the world, he obviously did everything that everyone thinks and knows that he did. Stop the fluff, just say in your little repetitive news articles that he IS the one that did it.
Secondly, why are they wasting so much time and money on these court appearances? Just get to the damn point with it. There is no way he is getting out of this, he is going to get life in prison or death, and everyone knows it. But instead, they have to go through 200 different 'preceedings' and read off all of this nonsense jargon before they actually make something happen.
Third, even if he was (and he wont be, he is a sane person that is in control of his own actions) deamed 'mentally insane', there is still no reason to not hang the guy. These people keep the insane in cages, pumping them with medications to try to "understand them". If he was insane, and he killed all of these people, there is no reason to help him in any way. Idiots say all the time "oh well we have to keep ethics in mind when we deal with him, he is still a human being and we have to bend over backwards so people dont get offended and blah this and blah that. If we harm him then we are just as bad as he is" ... NO YOU FUCKING RETARD. If you beat him senseless before you finally kill him, you are doing the world a favor. You are showing all those will-be criminals out there what will happen to them once they get caught. There is no such thing as being "too harsh" to a proven murderer.
There is no question that he commited the act, there is no suspicion or skeptics, therefore there is no reason to spend more than 5 minutes in a courtroom wasting time and money and effort on it. They should put him on a stage, give anyone that wants to say soemthing to him 1 minute each, and after they are done he should be publically hung and then cremated. He is a suspect, because he hasn't been proven guilty in a court of law. The legal system works a very specific way in the United States, and most other countries as well. Because of liability, they have to make sure everything is perfect so he doesn't get off because of a technicality. Where do you live that you know nothing about the laws of the civil world? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus So how exactly do the US treat suspects? I just got this on my twitter feed: Maybe you should let a drone kill him, or is my reasoning off?
You asked a question yet quoted the answer. I don't understand you.
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On July 24 2012 04:15 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 04:13 Alvin853 wrote:On July 24 2012 03:58 dotHead wrote:On July 24 2012 03:50 ishyishy wrote:
I just dont understand this country when it comes to these things.
FIrst of all, why is he still considered a 'susepct'...the he is 'suspected' of commiting this crime. They say that they need to be granted full access to the crime scene to collect 'scientific evidence'. Even to the dumbest blonde in the world, he obviously did everything that everyone thinks and knows that he did. Stop the fluff, just say in your little repetitive news articles that he IS the one that did it.
Secondly, why are they wasting so much time and money on these court appearances? Just get to the damn point with it. There is no way he is getting out of this, he is going to get life in prison or death, and everyone knows it. But instead, they have to go through 200 different 'preceedings' and read off all of this nonsense jargon before they actually make something happen.
Third, even if he was (and he wont be, he is a sane person that is in control of his own actions) deamed 'mentally insane', there is still no reason to not hang the guy. These people keep the insane in cages, pumping them with medications to try to "understand them". If he was insane, and he killed all of these people, there is no reason to help him in any way. Idiots say all the time "oh well we have to keep ethics in mind when we deal with him, he is still a human being and we have to bend over backwards so people dont get offended and blah this and blah that. If we harm him then we are just as bad as he is" ... NO YOU FUCKING RETARD. If you beat him senseless before you finally kill him, you are doing the world a favor. You are showing all those will-be criminals out there what will happen to them once they get caught. There is no such thing as being "too harsh" to a proven murderer.
There is no question that he commited the act, there is no suspicion or skeptics, therefore there is no reason to spend more than 5 minutes in a courtroom wasting time and money and effort on it. They should put him on a stage, give anyone that wants to say soemthing to him 1 minute each, and after they are done he should be publically hung and then cremated. He is a suspect, because he hasn't been proven guilty in a court of law. The legal system works a very specific way in the United States, and most other countries as well. Because of liability, they have to make sure everything is perfect so he doesn't get off because of a technicality. Where do you live that you know nothing about the laws of the civil world? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus So how exactly do the US treat suspects? I just got this on my twitter feed: Maybe you should let a drone kill him, or is my reasoning off? You asked a question yet quoted the answer. I don't understand you.
He just wants to bash America. Should get a ban.
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