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On July 24 2012 03:50 ishyishy wrote:
I just dont understand this country when it comes to these things.
FIrst of all, why is he still considered a 'susepct'...the he is 'suspected' of commiting this crime. They say that they need to be granted full access to the crime scene to collect 'scientific evidence'. Even to the dumbest blonde in the world, he obviously did everything that everyone thinks and knows that he did. Stop the fluff, just say in your little repetitive news articles that he IS the one that did it.
Secondly, why are they wasting so much time and money on these court appearances? Just get to the damn point with it. There is no way he is getting out of this, he is going to get life in prison or death, and everyone knows it. But instead, they have to go through 200 different 'preceedings' and read off all of this nonsense jargon before they actually make something happen.
Third, even if he was (and he wont be, he is a sane person that is in control of his own actions) deamed 'mentally insane', there is still no reason to not hang the guy. These people keep the insane in cages, pumping them with medications to try to "understand them". If he was insane, and he killed all of these people, there is no reason to help him in any way. Idiots say all the time "oh well we have to keep ethics in mind when we deal with him, he is still a human being and we have to bend over backwards so people dont get offended and blah this and blah that. If we harm him then we are just as bad as he is" ... NO YOU FUCKING RETARD. If you beat him senseless before you finally kill him, you are doing the world a favor. You are showing all those will-be criminals out there what will happen to them once they get caught. There is no such thing as being "too harsh" to a proven murderer.
There is no question that he commited the act, there is no suspicion or skeptics, therefore there is no reason to spend more than 5 minutes in a courtroom wasting time and money and effort on it. They should put him on a stage, give anyone that wants to say soemthing to him 1 minute each, and after they are done he should be publically hung and then cremated.
Good thing that you aren't in charge of anything. You have absolutely no concept of media ethics, justice, or general morality.
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On July 24 2012 04:12 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 04:02 fishjie wrote:
I don't see how the insanity thing is going to fly. Insane people don't go to school to get PHDs in neuroscience. He's most likely a sociopath who has no empathy whatsoever. That's not being insane, that's just being a douche. Death penalty is too good for this guy. Life in prison, with plenty of prison loving in the shower should do the trick. And if he likes getting fucked in prison... . . . . .. .? Your logic is horrible, and I completely disagree with your morals and other peoples in the thread. Get rid of the dude sure, kill him. But have him tortured too? Wat. You're a bad human being.
why am i bad?
that's like saying the guy who carries out the death penalty is as bad as the person who committed the crime. um no.... murdering bad guys = good
bad guys murdering innocent people = bad
the guy is a worthless piece of trash who inflicted tons of suffering. he meticulously planned it. why does he deserve any rights at this point? he's not a human, he's a monster. anyone whose played diablo knows what you do to monsters, you beat them to a bloody pulp.
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On July 24 2012 04:27 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 04:12 PanN wrote:On July 24 2012 04:02 fishjie wrote:
I don't see how the insanity thing is going to fly. Insane people don't go to school to get PHDs in neuroscience. He's most likely a sociopath who has no empathy whatsoever. That's not being insane, that's just being a douche. Death penalty is too good for this guy. Life in prison, with plenty of prison loving in the shower should do the trick. And if he likes getting fucked in prison... . . . . .. .? Your logic is horrible, and I completely disagree with your morals and other peoples in the thread. Get rid of the dude sure, kill him. But have him tortured too? Wat. You're a bad human being. why am i bad? that's like saying the guy who carries out the death penalty is as bad as the person who committed the crime. um no.... murdering bad guys = goodbad guys murdering innocent people = bad the guy is a worthless piece of trash who inflicted tons of suffering. he meticulously planned it. why does he deserve any rights at this point? he's not a human, he's a monster. anyone whose played diablo knows what you do to monsters, you beat them to a bloody pulp.
The bold part is the point.
Devaluing human life isn't a good thing, no matter the circumstances.
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On July 24 2012 04:27 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 04:12 PanN wrote:On July 24 2012 04:02 fishjie wrote:
I don't see how the insanity thing is going to fly. Insane people don't go to school to get PHDs in neuroscience. He's most likely a sociopath who has no empathy whatsoever. That's not being insane, that's just being a douche. Death penalty is too good for this guy. Life in prison, with plenty of prison loving in the shower should do the trick. And if he likes getting fucked in prison... . . . . .. .? Your logic is horrible, and I completely disagree with your morals and other peoples in the thread. Get rid of the dude sure, kill him. But have him tortured too? Wat. You're a bad human being. why am i bad? that's like saying the guy who carries out the death penalty is as bad as the person who committed the crime. um no.... murdering bad guys = good bad guys murdering innocent people = bad the guy is a worthless piece of trash who inflicted tons of suffering. he meticulously planned it. why does he deserve any rights at this point? he's not a human, he's a monster. anyone whose played diablo knows what you do to monsters, you beat them to a bloody pulp.
Murder is wrong, period. You are just as fucked up as him if you think for any reason, or under any circumstance it is "good". I'm for the death penalty, and if when he is found guilty, they decide to put him to death, then so be it. It will not be a good thing though, it will be his punishment.
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On July 24 2012 04:34 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 04:27 fishjie wrote:On July 24 2012 04:12 PanN wrote:On July 24 2012 04:02 fishjie wrote:
I don't see how the insanity thing is going to fly. Insane people don't go to school to get PHDs in neuroscience. He's most likely a sociopath who has no empathy whatsoever. That's not being insane, that's just being a douche. Death penalty is too good for this guy. Life in prison, with plenty of prison loving in the shower should do the trick. And if he likes getting fucked in prison... . . . . .. .? Your logic is horrible, and I completely disagree with your morals and other peoples in the thread. Get rid of the dude sure, kill him. But have him tortured too? Wat. You're a bad human being. why am i bad? that's like saying the guy who carries out the death penalty is as bad as the person who committed the crime. um no.... murdering bad guys = goodbad guys murdering innocent people = bad the guy is a worthless piece of trash who inflicted tons of suffering. he meticulously planned it. why does he deserve any rights at this point? he's not a human, he's a monster. anyone whose played diablo knows what you do to monsters, you beat them to a bloody pulp. The bold part is the point. Devaluing human life isn't a good thing, no matter the circumstances.
why? he's not human. humans have empathy. a guy who does something like this has no empathy. he is a sociopath. he's obviously never going to reintegrate into society. not with a kill count of 12. he's not going to provide any value the world and has taken so much away. he's a monster. what argument can you make to say that his life is as valuable as that of the victims he took away?
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On July 24 2012 04:36 dotHead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 04:27 fishjie wrote:On July 24 2012 04:12 PanN wrote:On July 24 2012 04:02 fishjie wrote:
I don't see how the insanity thing is going to fly. Insane people don't go to school to get PHDs in neuroscience. He's most likely a sociopath who has no empathy whatsoever. That's not being insane, that's just being a douche. Death penalty is too good for this guy. Life in prison, with plenty of prison loving in the shower should do the trick. And if he likes getting fucked in prison... . . . . .. .? Your logic is horrible, and I completely disagree with your morals and other peoples in the thread. Get rid of the dude sure, kill him. But have him tortured too? Wat. You're a bad human being. why am i bad? that's like saying the guy who carries out the death penalty is as bad as the person who committed the crime. um no.... murdering bad guys = good bad guys murdering innocent people = bad the guy is a worthless piece of trash who inflicted tons of suffering. he meticulously planned it. why does he deserve any rights at this point? he's not a human, he's a monster. anyone whose played diablo knows what you do to monsters, you beat them to a bloody pulp. Murder is wrong, period. You are just as fucked up as him if you think for any reason, or under any circumstance it is "good". I'm for the death penalty, and if when he is found guilty, they decide to put him to death, then so be it. It will not be a good thing though, it will be his punishment.
oh really?
you are just making statements about your system of morality with nothing to back it up. why is murder always wrong? taking a life away is perfectly justified if that person has demonstrated they are not willing to live in peace and harmony with other people in civilization. planning a massacre qualifies as that.
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Alot of things are not adding up with this, i think this could be a False Flag or something.
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On July 22 2012 10:25 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 00:51 Warri wrote:On July 22 2012 00:22 Okiesmokie wrote:On July 21 2012 23:42 DoubleReed wrote:On July 21 2012 23:23 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:On July 21 2012 22:44 Cutlery wrote:On July 21 2012 00:29 jdseemoreglass wrote:On July 21 2012 00:28 Cutlery wrote:
I hope the survivng victims have health insurance?? Why, you think the ambulance is going to ask for their insurance card before they treat the gunshots? No, but it would suck to have been shot and deal with that, and on top of everything know that their lives will be pretty much changed forever because they'll have to spend the rest of it to pay that one bill. God forbid any tax money went to help victims of accidents. the hospital bills will be paid by the cinema, i would be willing to bet money on it edit - and/or concerned outsiders The cinema? How is the cinema culpable at all? Because they didn't have the proper security to prevent someone from walking in the back door to the theater? I really don't understand why theaters don't have increased security for midnight screenings of big movies. Dafuq? Just because it was a theater this time doesnt mean its gonna be a theater next time. Do we have to have bigtime screening in every shopping mall, every school, every club, every bath now? That isn't what I said at all. I said the theater should have employed more security officers during a midnight screening of a big movie. It's just common sense to me that they would attempt to enforce the safety of the movie-goers when they know for a fact there will be a large amount of people there, that late at night. They do this where I live, it just baffles me that they didn't do it in Colorado.
That's crazy talk. Are you saying every movie theater in the country needed to be ready for an armed gunman ready to take the lives of a hundred random people? Get the fuck out of here. These things can't be easily prevented.
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On July 24 2012 04:37 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 04:34 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 24 2012 04:27 fishjie wrote:On July 24 2012 04:12 PanN wrote:On July 24 2012 04:02 fishjie wrote:
I don't see how the insanity thing is going to fly. Insane people don't go to school to get PHDs in neuroscience. He's most likely a sociopath who has no empathy whatsoever. That's not being insane, that's just being a douche. Death penalty is too good for this guy. Life in prison, with plenty of prison loving in the shower should do the trick. And if he likes getting fucked in prison... . . . . .. .? Your logic is horrible, and I completely disagree with your morals and other peoples in the thread. Get rid of the dude sure, kill him. But have him tortured too? Wat. You're a bad human being. why am i bad? that's like saying the guy who carries out the death penalty is as bad as the person who committed the crime. um no.... murdering bad guys = goodbad guys murdering innocent people = bad the guy is a worthless piece of trash who inflicted tons of suffering. he meticulously planned it. why does he deserve any rights at this point? he's not a human, he's a monster. anyone whose played diablo knows what you do to monsters, you beat them to a bloody pulp. The bold part is the point. Devaluing human life isn't a good thing, no matter the circumstances. why? he's not human. humans have empathy. a guy who does something like this has no empathy. he is a sociopath. he's obviously never going to reintegrate into society. not with a kill count of 12. he's not going to provide any value the world and has taken so much away. he's a monster. what argument can you make to say that his life is as valuable as that of the victims he took away?
He is human, hes a sick individual but In my eyes you're sick in the head if you really want him tortured for life. What does ANYONE gain from this? Oh, I know what someone gains from this with your failure logic. Next time someone goes and shoots up a theater, they know they'll be tortured, so they'll just kill themselves. Flawless thinking!
And we're not here to argue whos life is more valuable, at least I'm not. I'm here arguing that your idea of torture is incredibly freaking stupid and not thought out at all, you're just going off your feelings, not thoughts. Dont hate man, yoda knows best.
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I'm curious, why did he color his hair red and call himself the Joker? the Joker has green hair... he looks more like Ronald McDonald.
The purpose of the criminal justice system, as far as I understand, is to rehabilitate the criminal, not for society to "get even". If we torture someone for committing a crime, we're no better than him/her. "But he/she did it first!" is a terrible argument and leads only to more escalation and so forth. Pretty sure that's taught in kindergarten.
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On July 24 2012 04:34 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 04:27 fishjie wrote:On July 24 2012 04:12 PanN wrote:On July 24 2012 04:02 fishjie wrote:
I don't see how the insanity thing is going to fly. Insane people don't go to school to get PHDs in neuroscience. He's most likely a sociopath who has no empathy whatsoever. That's not being insane, that's just being a douche. Death penalty is too good for this guy. Life in prison, with plenty of prison loving in the shower should do the trick. And if he likes getting fucked in prison... . . . . .. .? Your logic is horrible, and I completely disagree with your morals and other peoples in the thread. Get rid of the dude sure, kill him. But have him tortured too? Wat. You're a bad human being. why am i bad? that's like saying the guy who carries out the death penalty is as bad as the person who committed the crime. um no.... murdering bad guys = goodbad guys murdering innocent people = bad the guy is a worthless piece of trash who inflicted tons of suffering. he meticulously planned it. why does he deserve any rights at this point? he's not a human, he's a monster. anyone whose played diablo knows what you do to monsters, you beat them to a bloody pulp. The bold part is the point. Devaluing human life isn't a good thing, no matter the circumstances.
Thats a statement that sounds nice but has no meaning.
To whom is life meaning full ? To one self ? Yes I hope so ?
Maybe you value the lives of friends and people you know and care ? I sure hope so.
But do you really care if some people somewhere you know die ?
Yeah sure there is always an outrage when something special happens for some weeks but then nobody cares again.
Who cares for the thousands starving and dying of easily treatable illnesses ?
I could go on. Nobody really cares about them and they may be innocent ?
So where are the life valuing people here ? No where to be seen ?
Do you give all of your money but what you absolutly need to live and survive to wellfare or some projects ?
No you dont because you do not care.
So dont come with this life is sacred shit because you want to state that you are a good person, which you are not, you are a normal person. And he should be killed, plain simple and fast without a long process to keep the costs down.
I see no logical resaon for letting him live, he is a threat, he will not contribute anything to society but cost, we should get rid of him.
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not trying to be funny but how come there were kids there at the screening? isn't it like a 15 or at least a 12?
this is with regards to the children that got shot etc
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On July 22 2012 04:34 Hemling wrote:Show nested quote +
i mean that society would allow us to perform the execution. tbh, i consider it a natural right of mankind to be allowed to execute criminals who engage in acts of mass destruction/mayhem.
i think it would help prevent people from doing these kinds of things, yes. they clearly have a warped view of "common sense" anyway, but even a dog is afraid to die.
i doubt that empty rhetoric and nice sounding platitudes are ever going to be a solution for anything. and no i will not excuse your prejudice. if you hold it than go ahead, but the tables can be turned. "i suspect that you live in a relatively secular society, which could explain your misunderstanding of reality".... but then why would i say that when its wildly off-topic and adds nothing to the discussion?
altough using such fancy words you sound so stupid, ill let you win this argument because i really cba discussing this any further with you. enjoy promoting fear inducing states and calling out death penalties mate, im going back to laddering now.
God you sure are an awful poster. Let me make a check list of why:
1) You randomly bring religion into the debate, no doubt you're a douche bag.
2) You obviously start losing an argument, so you resort to insulting the other poster.
3) You're liberal.
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On July 24 2012 04:45 Holy_AT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 04:34 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 24 2012 04:27 fishjie wrote:On July 24 2012 04:12 PanN wrote:On July 24 2012 04:02 fishjie wrote:
I don't see how the insanity thing is going to fly. Insane people don't go to school to get PHDs in neuroscience. He's most likely a sociopath who has no empathy whatsoever. That's not being insane, that's just being a douche. Death penalty is too good for this guy. Life in prison, with plenty of prison loving in the shower should do the trick. And if he likes getting fucked in prison... . . . . .. .? Your logic is horrible, and I completely disagree with your morals and other peoples in the thread. Get rid of the dude sure, kill him. But have him tortured too? Wat. You're a bad human being. why am i bad? that's like saying the guy who carries out the death penalty is as bad as the person who committed the crime. um no.... murdering bad guys = goodbad guys murdering innocent people = bad the guy is a worthless piece of trash who inflicted tons of suffering. he meticulously planned it. why does he deserve any rights at this point? he's not a human, he's a monster. anyone whose played diablo knows what you do to monsters, you beat them to a bloody pulp. The bold part is the point. Devaluing human life isn't a good thing, no matter the circumstances. Thats a statement that sounds nice but has no meaning. To whom is life meaning full ? To one self ? Yes I hope so ? Maybe you value the lives of friends and people you know and care ? I sure hope so. But do you really care if some people somewhere you know die ? Yeah sure there is always an outrage when something special happens for some weeks but then nobody cares again. Who cares for the thousands starving and dying of easily treatable illnesses ? I could go on. Nobody really cares about them and they may be innocent ? So where are the life valuing people here ? No where to be seen ? Do you give all of your money but what you absolutly need to live and survive to wellfare or some projects ? No you dont because you do not care. So dont come with this life is sacred shit because you want to state that you are a good person, which you are not, you are a normal person. And he should be killed, plain simple and fast without a long process to keep the costs down. I see no logical resaon for letting him live, he is a threat, he will not contribute anything to society but cost, we should get rid of him.
U really go off on a tangent here mixing up a number of complex issues. But as you seem to appreciate a cost analysis perspective (ie kill him because its cheaper) perhaps you can see the argument that keeping him alive would beneficial to society if we use him to learn.
You seem to hate the bad people for being bad, and the good people for not stopping the bad. Careful with this thinking as hate usually leads to bad and can make u depressed/angry with the world and people etc. :[
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On July 23 2012 20:43 Dakk wrote:
This is why americas gunlaws need a revisist..
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Are Swedish people honestly this stupid?
Right above the thread, in big ass letters it says no gun control talk, yet it is always SWEDISH liberals that have to mention gun talk lmfao.
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On July 24 2012 05:03 Dzemoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 20:43 Dakk wrote:
This is why americas gunlaws need a revisist..
User was temp banned for this post. Are Swedish people honestly this stupid? Right above the thread, in big ass letters it says no gun control talk, yet it is always SWEDISH liberals that have to mention gun talk lmfao.
Stop trolling dude -_-
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Holmes will be rightfully sentenced to death by execution, and there is nothing any of you people can say or do about it.
His life, his actions, and his methods has been scientifically examined (or so says the news articles I've been reading all weekend on nbc, abc, and some other random news websites), he will not be deemed 'mentally ill', and he will not receive any sympathetic treatment.
They wont keep him around "to study him" because there is nothing to learn or be gained from him. He does not have a mental illness. His intentions were purely malicious, and it had nothing to do with a disease. His preparation, and his rigged apartment, both prove that. It would be a waste of effort and a huge waste of money to keep him alive.
Delaying his trial for a week puts no doubt in my mind that he is going to be executed. They want to get his motive, and thats it. Once he talks, they kill him. If he doesnt talk, thats unfortunate, they kill him anyway. It would be a waste of time and money to delay the inevidible for longer than 1 week.
This thread has degenerated into a troll fest, and needs to be closed IMO. We cant discuss gun laws, so there is nothing left to discuss here.
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On July 24 2012 05:39 ishyishy wrote:
Holmes will be rightfully sentenced to death by execution, and there is nothing any of you people can say or do about it.
His life, his actions, and his methods has been scientifically examined (or so says the news articles I've been reading all weekend on nbc, abc, and some other random news websites), he will not be deemed 'mentally ill', and he will not receive any sympathetic treatment.
They wont keep him around "to study him" because there is nothing to learn or be gained from him. He does not have a mental illness. His intentions were purely malicious, and it had nothing to do with a disease. His preparation, and his rigged apartment, both prove that. It would be a waste of effort and a huge waste of money to keep him alive.
Delaying his trial for a week puts no doubt in my mind that he is going to be executed. They want to get his motive, and thats it. Once he talks, they kill him. If he doesnt talk, thats unfortunate, they kill him anyway. It would be a waste of time and money to delay the inevidible for longer than 1 week.
This thread has degenerated into a troll fest, and needs to be closed IMO. We cant discuss gun laws, so there is nothing left to discuss here.
I'm so glad that news articles released in the first 72 hours of an event have absolutely zero bearing on the outcome of a trial.
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I'm still really curious about the motive. I'd really hoped for a few answers today at his court appearance. It just makes so little sense for what was by all accounts a relatively successful guy without any previous criminal proclivities to snap so dramatically. "Derp he's crazy" is not a sufficient explanation for putting in such a huge amount of effort with forethought and planning.
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