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Dakk
Sweden572 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On July 23 2012 20:43 Dakk wrote: This is why americas gunlaws need a revisist.. Hey man, quality post. Real original like. Adding tonnes to the current discussion, really thought-provoking and interesting. You almost certainly read through the thread and took your time to decide if what you had to say was important to the debate. | ||
yokohama
United States1116 Posts
On July 23 2012 20:43 Dakk wrote: This is why americas gunlaws need a revisist.. Way to read the disclaimer right at the top of the topic | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On July 23 2012 19:43 Firebolt145 wrote: There was plenty of evidence of a plan hitting the pentagon. Conspire all you like whether the evidence was tampered with/set up, but saying '0 evidence' is a huge exaggeration lol. But let's not derail this topic There isn't, but okay. | ||
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Budmandude
United States123 Posts
On July 23 2012 18:56 Silidons wrote: Planes did hit the twin towers, but there is 0 evidence of a plane ever hitting the Pentagon. Just sayin. "Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. 'It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why,' says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. 'I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.' Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: 'I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?' " ![[image loading]](http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/UW/911-flight77-debris.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/noplane/docs/paintedpieces1.jpg) http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-pentagon In before "That was fake, planted debris man." | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
On July 23 2012 05:59 Firebolt145 wrote: I was reading it and thinking 'hmm, incredibly far-fetched, but it's plausible', then I came across the 'FBI is behind this' shit and closed it. Jesus...I just stopped reading the article. Its arguments are not that convincing. The only one that caught me was "...unemployed medical student" afford all that. But even then if you consider how you can get student loans and grants...money isnt that big of an issue especially if you don't care about debts... btw has anyone figured out the motive behind the shooting? And are we really going back to this 9/11 crap? | ||
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
Pictures of Holmes on court today. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://s2.glbimg.com/xlrx2b5I6yqURl8yNLwzLXqyVdOdX6IB_wTNXmE37ihIoz-HdGixxa_8qOZvMp3w/s.glbimg.com/jo/g1/f/original/2012/07/23/1_5.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://s2.glbimg.com/rA2c4fcsnhaJWgGvCF33lFjV7OcZua8NKZa-WiVmU6RIoz-HdGixxa_8qOZvMp3w/s.glbimg.com/jo/g1/f/original/2012/07/23/1_6.jpg) Has the "I am the joker" thing been confirmed though? | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34502 Posts
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On July 24 2012 01:36 Firebolt145 wrote: How do people like this guy find defence lawyers? Who the hell would ever try to defend people like him? Yeah thats what i was thinking.. Money can do a lot i geuss. | ||
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GoShox
United States1843 Posts
On July 24 2012 01:36 Firebolt145 wrote: How do people like this guy find defence lawyers? Who the hell would ever try to defend people like him? I'm pretty sure he has a public defender, especially looking at the lady during the video. She doesn't look happy to be helping him at all and who can blame her? | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
On July 24 2012 01:36 Firebolt145 wrote: How do people like this guy find defence lawyers? Who the hell would ever try to defend people like him? It's probably a public defender, most likely court appointed. PDs have an obligation to serve their client, regardless of the crimes they commit. I highly doubt a private firm/lawyer would pick up his case unless they were that desperate for the notoriety. | ||
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Firebolt145
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On July 24 2012 01:49 Durp wrote: It's probably a public defender, most likely court appointed. PDs have an obligation to serve their client, regardless of the crimes they commit. I highly doubt a private firm/lawyer would pick up his case unless they were that desperate for the notoriety. At least where I'm from, I have no doubt Holmes could hire from a wide-arrange of private attorneys. There are so many criminal defense lawyers if you live near a big city, desperate for some publicity. I'm not shunting the profession. It's not looked at kindly by some, but that makes me respect it more as it's nonetheless necessary for our society. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On July 24 2012 01:18 dmnum wrote: Ok so he actually had his hair painted red. Pictures of Holmes on court today. + Show Spoiler + Has the "I am the joker" thing been confirmed though? I believe it actually has been, though I cant find any sources directly relating to him saying that atm. "Last week, police officials, including New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, had told reporters that Holmes considered himself an arch-villain from the Batman mythology." -Source (Ray Kelly was the main source to have claimed this though) Best I can find atm. I definitely read in the Denver Post yesterday that he had said that to the police though. | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On July 24 2012 01:52 Leporello wrote: At least where I'm from, I have no doubt Holmes could hire from a wide-arrange of private attorneys. There are so many criminal defense lawyers if you live near a big city, desperate for some publicity. I'm not shunting the profession. It's not looked at kindly by some, but that makes me respect it more as it's nonetheless necessary for our society. I have nothing but respect for those who take up the cause of the obviously guilty with the same zeal with which they tackle less clear cases. That woman pictured is likely underpaid, underappreciated, and yet is playing an essential role in the proper process of justice here in the U.S. Highly paid celebrity defense attorneys are a different story. | ||
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
On July 24 2012 01:36 Firebolt145 wrote: How do people like this guy find defence lawyers? Who the hell would ever try to defend people like him? Huh? This guy would have no problem at all finding a lawyer. Quite on contrary to what you say lawyers want to represent people in big cases like this cause it brings them plenty of attention and media coverage. | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
But the gun laws in the US are real unintelligent ... Okay if you need to defend yourself .. for whatever reasons because your country fails at police and having decent peolpe let people carry one revolver ... Why should people be allowed to get 2 guns a shotgun and a semi automatic rifle with custom faceloading clips whatever and gas masks and bullet proof tactical gear and teargasgrenades ??? Even one of these things is overkill, and he got them all (or nearly all ?) legally without triggering any alarms. I means seriously what the F*** ? If I would try to get to such stuff in austria, first as a normal citizen I would not even know how to get to this stuff ? The only reason I could think of getting to a weapon is maybe getting a hunting pass which also takes time and stuff and you have to go to the officals or you have to give them a plausible reason why you need to defend yourself with a firearm. And the argument but what if the government gets evil and we need to rebell ? Well in this case you better legalize all weapons even tanks, machine guns and anti tank and anti air weapons because you will need em against the US Army ... | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On July 24 2012 03:00 NotSupporting wrote: Huh? This guy would have no problem at all finding a lawyer. Quite on contrary to what you say lawyers want to represent people in big cases like this cause it brings them plenty of attention and media coverage. I beg to differ on this point, as there are some very obvious differences between this case and say, that of OJ Simpson or Casey Anthony, the biggest one being the degree with which guilt can be easily justified. In other words, there is very little legal wiggle room in this case, at least as far as we know, and there aren't any constitutional buzzwords made readily applicable to any aspect of the case. Such are the requisites for the sort of celebrity defense attorney behavior you are describing, and I just do not see things going that way. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 24 2012 01:36 Firebolt145 wrote: How do people like this guy find defence lawyers? Who the hell would ever try to defend people like him? Public defenders don't get to choose their clients. Ok, so I mean this with all due respect to survivors and victims' families, but am I the only one who is sickened by the news coverage this has received over the weekend? It is literally all any of the major news corporations are talking about, and they have it as story number one every hour, every day, on TV and on the internet. What makes this bad is that there's nothing of substance to report; we get tidbits of information here and there (details about what actually happened, about who the suspect is, his court hearing, etc), but mostly, we just get random comments from witnesses or family members ("I thanked my lucky stars" or "I was sure I was going to die") that are purely emotional appeal. It adds absolutely nothing to the news and it is just bothersome to me. I mean of course it should be reported, but it should be reported when there is actually a development, and we shouldn't have it sit at the very top of the hour every hour, even if nothing develops for over a day. | ||
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Firebolt145
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