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This is a tragic event. Let's not derail the thread with a gun control debate. Posts from page 9 onward will be moderated for steering the discussion towards gun control.
yookstah
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 19:19:05
July 21 2012 19:13 GMT
#901
Quite surprising that you read all these reports about people who commit acts like these, and they were a child/student "who you would never think would do such a thing".

Funny that.

My heart goes out to all those who were affected by this horrible incident.

Edit: Media sources shouldn't have to do some "strict" procedure or anything when it comes to verifying sources during an event like this. Someone should just not be a fucking no brain idiot and not ring up "for the sake of it" to "show how easy it is to get on the phone to the news". Makes you wonder if he paid someone so he could be that much of an idiot.
"I'm saying that you are all the time aggressive. I say to you choose situations to be aggressive and not aggressive. I'm talking it" - Cooller
Hemling
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden93 Posts
July 21 2012 19:34 GMT
#902

i mean that society would allow us to perform the execution. tbh, i consider it a natural right of mankind to be allowed to execute criminals who engage in acts of mass destruction/mayhem.

i think it would help prevent people from doing these kinds of things, yes. they clearly have a warped view of "common sense" anyway, but even a dog is afraid to die.

i doubt that empty rhetoric and nice sounding platitudes are ever going to be a solution for anything. and no i will not excuse your prejudice. if you hold it than go ahead, but the tables can be turned. "i suspect that you live in a relatively secular society, which could explain your misunderstanding of reality".... but then why would i say that when its wildly off-topic and adds nothing to the discussion?


altough using such fancy words you sound so stupid, ill let you win this argument because i really cba discussing this any further with you.

enjoy promoting fear inducing states and calling out death penalties mate, im going back to laddering now.


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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
July 21 2012 19:34 GMT
#903
if he suicides himself or if death penalty would allow death by suicide, no one would be to blame, no 'new' crimminals will be born.
...but i guess that wont be good either 'cause: what about the revenge?
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 19:45:03
July 21 2012 19:44 GMT
#904
On July 22 2012 04:13 yookstah wrote:
Quite surprising that you read all these reports about people who commit acts like these, and they were a child/student "who you would never think would do such a thing".

Funny that.

My heart goes out to all those who were affected by this horrible incident.

Edit: Media sources shouldn't have to do some "strict" procedure or anything when it comes to verifying sources during an event like this. Someone should just not be a fucking no brain idiot and not ring up "for the sake of it" to "show how easy it is to get on the phone to the news". Makes you wonder if he paid someone so he could be that much of an idiot.

That's true about most horrible crime. There was a serial rapist putting the fear in a swedish town some years ago and it turned out it was a "familiy man" that no one suspected could do such things. You can see the same tendencies for a lot of similar crimes. I guess it boils down to that horrible people don't always have horns on their head (sadly).
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
July 21 2012 19:46 GMT
#905
On July 22 2012 04:34 Hemling wrote:
Show nested quote +

i mean that society would allow us to perform the execution. tbh, i consider it a natural right of mankind to be allowed to execute criminals who engage in acts of mass destruction/mayhem.

i think it would help prevent people from doing these kinds of things, yes. they clearly have a warped view of "common sense" anyway, but even a dog is afraid to die.

i doubt that empty rhetoric and nice sounding platitudes are ever going to be a solution for anything. and no i will not excuse your prejudice. if you hold it than go ahead, but the tables can be turned. "i suspect that you live in a relatively secular society, which could explain your misunderstanding of reality".... but then why would i say that when its wildly off-topic and adds nothing to the discussion?


altough using such fancy words you sound so stupid, ill let you win this argument because i really cba discussing this any further with you.

enjoy promoting fear inducing states and calling out death penalties mate, im going back to laddering now.

kk wish you weren't so abrasive about it, but its all cool. i forgive you. (btw which words were fancy? was it platitude?)

enjoy your laddering.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
July 21 2012 19:46 GMT
#906
On July 22 2012 04:34 xM(Z wrote:
if he suicides himself or if death penalty would allow death by suicide, no one would be to blame, no 'new' crimminals will be born.
...but i guess that wont be good either 'cause: what about the revenge?


Why call it "revenge" and not "justice"?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34502 Posts
July 21 2012 19:50 GMT
#907
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/

This is a blog post a lady made after barely escaping a shooting in Toronto about 1.5 months ago. She was unlucky enough to get caught again and died in this one.

Fucking sickening.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 21 2012 19:54 GMT
#908
On July 22 2012 04:03 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 03:59 Xiphos wrote:
On July 22 2012 03:53 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
On July 22 2012 03:35 Hemling wrote:
On July 22 2012 03:26 YouMake wrote:
The guy was seriously fucking insane. I'm 100% on board for the death penalty. You shot 70 people and kill 12 of them and leave another 38 in the balance of life and death, i dont feel like you deserve to breathe the air on this planet.


would you mind killing him yourself?
would you mind getting executed after that for killing a man?
do you think it will prevent something like this happening again?

why not just lock him up and spend the rest of his days to evaluate his mind so we can find the cause of these kinds of horrific acts.


Yes! More people in jails! Not like they are overflowing already.


I really think that they should give like 10 years of redemption time to the prisoners in order for them to prove that they are still capable to contributing to the society with some sort of high school courses studies and/or factory work. And after that, they can be release back if they have done exceptionally well in them by scoring high in them.

If they still wouldn't change their attitude in things, get rid of them. Yes I do mean capital punishment since they are already nuisance to the society.



Lol what? giving mass murder's a second chance? jesus where do you people come from.

Not to mention its not hard to change you're attitude when you know you're gonna get released. Espically when they are smart like Holmes apperntly was.

Sorry but what a stupid post.


What a stupid poster. Didn't even read about the context of what I wrote and to what msg was I referring to.
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ranshaked
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States870 Posts
July 21 2012 20:23 GMT
#909
The only thing I can say is this: I support the death penalty in these type of cases because of the "It's not fair" rule. It's not fair that he is allowed to breathe after killing innocents, it's not fair that he has food, water and shelter while so many do not.

So by my it's not fair ruling, I personally believe that he should be put to death because he has taken more than he could ever put back.
Nonexistent
Profile Joined April 2012
United States50 Posts
July 21 2012 20:49 GMT
#910
I think the shooter should be taken to guantonimo bay and given the most "cruel and unusal punishments" that the military can fathom!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." - Bisu
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
July 21 2012 21:02 GMT
#911
On July 22 2012 04:46 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 04:34 xM(Z wrote:
if he suicides himself or if death penalty would allow death by suicide, no one would be to blame, no 'new' crimminals will be born.
...but i guess that wont be good either 'cause: what about the revenge?


Why call it "revenge" and not "justice"?

because 'justice' is subjective.
revenge (or pity) is the one that satisfies peoples ego, that gives them closure. justice, in this case, is just something to hide behind.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 21 2012 22:50 GMT
#912
I remember the shooting in Arizona when Rep. Giffords got shot, so many in the media were jumping over the idea that Sarah Palin and Tea Party groups had inspired that violence. With this scenario, we have a similar situation, some crazy asshole shoots up a bunch of people, yet this guy is dressed like a character from the movie that is playing, tells the cops he is the 'Joker' upon his arrest, and maybe I've missed it, but nobody has made a single reference to the movie contributing in any way. It would be very different if it was a Michael Moore production wherein someone dressed as Sarah Palin came in shooting, yelling 'You Betcha' repeatedly.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
July 21 2012 22:52 GMT
#913
On July 22 2012 06:02 xM(Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 04:46 Goozen wrote:
On July 22 2012 04:34 xM(Z wrote:
if he suicides himself or if death penalty would allow death by suicide, no one would be to blame, no 'new' crimminals will be born.
...but i guess that wont be good either 'cause: what about the revenge?


Why call it "revenge" and not "justice"?

because 'justice' is subjective.
revenge (or pity) is the one that satisfies peoples ego, that gives them closure. justice, in this case, is just something to hide behind.

It is about neither justice nor revenge, it's about harm reduction.

And harm reduction would entail never allowing this individual to EVER threaten any innocent civilian again. Which should exclude the possibility for a perceived rehabilitation. You should rehabilitate thieves, maybe the occasional murderer, but not a mass murdering psychopath like this. And even if you could, I don't know why anyone would want to. Will this person ever redeem himself for the lives he has taken? Of course not. It would be best for victims, government, and if we had a sane system, taxpayers, for his existence to cease.

And I know the counter argument that always follow... But there is little point in even bringing up the issue of doubt about guilt. Is anyone, including the killer, disputing his guilt in this case?
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 21 2012 23:09 GMT
#914
On July 22 2012 07:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:
And I know the counter argument that always follow... But there is little point in even bringing up the issue of doubt about guilt. Is anyone, including the killer, disputing his guilt in this case?


Only if under our laws, he's considered "legally insane" and therefore not legally responsible for his actions ...
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
July 21 2012 23:57 GMT
#915
On July 22 2012 07:50 Kaitlin wrote:
I remember the shooting in Arizona when Rep. Giffords got shot, so many in the media were jumping over the idea that Sarah Palin and Tea Party groups had inspired that violence. With this scenario, we have a similar situation, some crazy asshole shoots up a bunch of people, yet this guy is dressed like a character from the movie that is playing, tells the cops he is the 'Joker' upon his arrest, and maybe I've missed it, but nobody has made a single reference to the movie contributing in any way. It would be very different if it was a Michael Moore production wherein someone dressed as Sarah Palin came in shooting, yelling 'You Betcha' repeatedly.


Situations aren't similar at all. Gabby Giffords was targeted, and seeing as she's a liberal politician, it isn't a stretch to say the shooting was politically motivated. Do you think it wasn't?

This on the other hand, seems completely random. A batman-obsessed wannabe comic book villain.
Big water
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 00:25:07
July 22 2012 00:24 GMT
#916
On July 22 2012 08:57 Leporello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 07:50 Kaitlin wrote:
I remember the shooting in Arizona when Rep. Giffords got shot, so many in the media were jumping over the idea that Sarah Palin and Tea Party groups had inspired that violence. With this scenario, we have a similar situation, some crazy asshole shoots up a bunch of people, yet this guy is dressed like a character from the movie that is playing, tells the cops he is the 'Joker' upon his arrest, and maybe I've missed it, but nobody has made a single reference to the movie contributing in any way. It would be very different if it was a Michael Moore production wherein someone dressed as Sarah Palin came in shooting, yelling 'You Betcha' repeatedly.


Situations aren't similar at all. Gabby Giffords was targeted, and seeing as she's a liberal politician, it isn't a stretch to say the shooting was politically motivated. Do you think it wasn't?

This on the other hand, seems completely random. A batman-obsessed wannabe comic book villain.


How is it random when someone proclaims they are "The Joker", shows up in dyed red hair, shooting up a cinema full of people watching the Batman debut ? That doesn't appear "random" at all. I wouldn't say it does or doesn't have political motivations, based only on those observations, but it's hardly random. It's clearly inspired by the movie. Why no outrage about that aspect ?
LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 00:37:42
July 22 2012 00:34 GMT
#917
On July 21 2012 23:42 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 23:23 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On July 21 2012 22:44 Cutlery wrote:
On July 21 2012 00:29 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On July 21 2012 00:28 Cutlery wrote:
I hope the survivng victims have health insurance??

Why, you think the ambulance is going to ask for their insurance card before they treat the gunshots?


No, but it would suck to have been shot and deal with that, and on top of everything know that their lives will be pretty much changed forever because they'll have to spend the rest of it to pay that one bill. God forbid any tax money went to help victims of accidents.

the hospital bills will be paid by the cinema, i would be willing to bet money on it

edit - and/or concerned outsiders


The cinema? How is the cinema culpable at all?

did you read what i said? at no point did i say that the cinema is deserving of blame

i said they'd pay.. because it happened at their site and they will do it, not that they have to (they may have to, too) but that they will (if for no other reason than because it's the right thing to do)

or, as i said, other people will - the victims and their families won't need to
-_-Quails
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia796 Posts
July 22 2012 00:40 GMT
#918
On July 22 2012 08:09 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 07:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:
And I know the counter argument that always follow... But there is little point in even bringing up the issue of doubt about guilt. Is anyone, including the killer, disputing his guilt in this case?


Only if under our laws, he's considered "legally insane" and therefore not legally responsible for his actions ...

If he is insane, then I can only hope for his sake that he is never cured enough to understand the horror he has wrought.
"I post only when my brain works." - Reaper9
Budmandude
Profile Joined September 2009
United States123 Posts
July 22 2012 00:53 GMT
#919
On July 22 2012 07:50 Kaitlin wrote:
I remember the shooting in Arizona when Rep. Giffords got shot, so many in the media were jumping over the idea that Sarah Palin and Tea Party groups had inspired that violence. With this scenario, we have a similar situation, some crazy asshole shoots up a bunch of people, yet this guy is dressed like a character from the movie that is playing, tells the cops he is the 'Joker' upon his arrest, and maybe I've missed it, but nobody has made a single reference to the movie contributing in any way. It would be very different if it was a Michael Moore production wherein someone dressed as Sarah Palin came in shooting, yelling 'You Betcha' repeatedly.

Don't worry, within hours ABC news was reporting that someone in the Denver tea party: had the same name and maybe might have possibly been the person but they didn't know for sure and hadn't checked but were letting you know anyway just case.
Okiesmokie
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada379 Posts
July 22 2012 01:25 GMT
#920
On July 22 2012 00:51 Warri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 00:22 Okiesmokie wrote:
On July 21 2012 23:42 DoubleReed wrote:
On July 21 2012 23:23 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
On July 21 2012 22:44 Cutlery wrote:
On July 21 2012 00:29 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On July 21 2012 00:28 Cutlery wrote:
I hope the survivng victims have health insurance??

Why, you think the ambulance is going to ask for their insurance card before they treat the gunshots?


No, but it would suck to have been shot and deal with that, and on top of everything know that their lives will be pretty much changed forever because they'll have to spend the rest of it to pay that one bill. God forbid any tax money went to help victims of accidents.

the hospital bills will be paid by the cinema, i would be willing to bet money on it

edit - and/or concerned outsiders


The cinema? How is the cinema culpable at all?

Because they didn't have the proper security to prevent someone from walking in the back door to the theater? I really don't understand why theaters don't have increased security for midnight screenings of big movies.

Dafuq? Just because it was a theater this time doesnt mean its gonna be a theater next time. Do we have to have bigtime screening in every shopping mall, every school, every club, every bath now?

That isn't what I said at all. I said the theater should have employed more security officers during a midnight screening of a big movie. It's just common sense to me that they would attempt to enforce the safety of the movie-goers when they know for a fact there will be a large amount of people there, that late at night. They do this where I live, it just baffles me that they didn't do it in Colorado.
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