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This is a tragic event. Let's not derail the thread with a gun control debate. Posts from page 9 onward will be moderated for steering the discussion towards gun control. | ||
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yookstah
Australia655 Posts
Funny that. My heart goes out to all those who were affected by this horrible incident. Edit: Media sources shouldn't have to do some "strict" procedure or anything when it comes to verifying sources during an event like this. Someone should just not be a fucking no brain idiot and not ring up "for the sake of it" to "show how easy it is to get on the phone to the news". Makes you wonder if he paid someone so he could be that much of an idiot. | ||
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Hemling
Sweden93 Posts
i mean that society would allow us to perform the execution. tbh, i consider it a natural right of mankind to be allowed to execute criminals who engage in acts of mass destruction/mayhem. i think it would help prevent people from doing these kinds of things, yes. they clearly have a warped view of "common sense" anyway, but even a dog is afraid to die. i doubt that empty rhetoric and nice sounding platitudes are ever going to be a solution for anything. and no i will not excuse your prejudice. if you hold it than go ahead, but the tables can be turned. "i suspect that you live in a relatively secular society, which could explain your misunderstanding of reality".... but then why would i say that when its wildly off-topic and adds nothing to the discussion? altough using such fancy words you sound so stupid, ill let you win this argument because i really cba discussing this any further with you. enjoy promoting fear inducing states and calling out death penalties mate, im going back to laddering now. User was warned for this post | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
...but i guess that wont be good either 'cause: what about the revenge? | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On July 22 2012 04:13 yookstah wrote: Quite surprising that you read all these reports about people who commit acts like these, and they were a child/student "who you would never think would do such a thing". Funny that. My heart goes out to all those who were affected by this horrible incident. Edit: Media sources shouldn't have to do some "strict" procedure or anything when it comes to verifying sources during an event like this. Someone should just not be a fucking no brain idiot and not ring up "for the sake of it" to "show how easy it is to get on the phone to the news". Makes you wonder if he paid someone so he could be that much of an idiot. That's true about most horrible crime. There was a serial rapist putting the fear in a swedish town some years ago and it turned out it was a "familiy man" that no one suspected could do such things. You can see the same tendencies for a lot of similar crimes. I guess it boils down to that horrible people don't always have horns on their head (sadly). | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On July 22 2012 04:34 Hemling wrote: altough using such fancy words you sound so stupid, ill let you win this argument because i really cba discussing this any further with you. enjoy promoting fear inducing states and calling out death penalties mate, im going back to laddering now. kk wish you weren't so abrasive about it, but its all cool. i forgive you. (btw which words were fancy? was it platitude?) enjoy your laddering.  | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On July 22 2012 04:34 xM(Z wrote: if he suicides himself or if death penalty would allow death by suicide, no one would be to blame, no 'new' crimminals will be born. ...but i guess that wont be good either 'cause: what about the revenge? Why call it "revenge" and not "justice"? | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
This is a blog post a lady made after barely escaping a shooting in Toronto about 1.5 months ago. She was unlucky enough to get caught again and died in this one. Fucking sickening. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On July 22 2012 04:03 Reaps wrote: Lol what? giving mass murder's a second chance? jesus where do you people come from. Not to mention its not hard to change you're attitude when you know you're gonna get released. Espically when they are smart like Holmes apperntly was. Sorry but what a stupid post. What a stupid poster. Didn't even read about the context of what I wrote and to what msg was I referring to. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
So by my it's not fair ruling, I personally believe that he should be put to death because he has taken more than he could ever put back. | ||
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Nonexistent
United States50 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
because 'justice' is subjective. revenge (or pity) is the one that satisfies peoples ego, that gives them closure. justice, in this case, is just something to hide behind. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On July 22 2012 06:02 xM(Z wrote: because 'justice' is subjective. revenge (or pity) is the one that satisfies peoples ego, that gives them closure. justice, in this case, is just something to hide behind. It is about neither justice nor revenge, it's about harm reduction. And harm reduction would entail never allowing this individual to EVER threaten any innocent civilian again. Which should exclude the possibility for a perceived rehabilitation. You should rehabilitate thieves, maybe the occasional murderer, but not a mass murdering psychopath like this. And even if you could, I don't know why anyone would want to. Will this person ever redeem himself for the lives he has taken? Of course not. It would be best for victims, government, and if we had a sane system, taxpayers, for his existence to cease. And I know the counter argument that always follow... But there is little point in even bringing up the issue of doubt about guilt. Is anyone, including the killer, disputing his guilt in this case? | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On July 22 2012 07:52 jdseemoreglass wrote: And I know the counter argument that always follow... But there is little point in even bringing up the issue of doubt about guilt. Is anyone, including the killer, disputing his guilt in this case? Only if under our laws, he's considered "legally insane" and therefore not legally responsible for his actions ... | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On July 22 2012 07:50 Kaitlin wrote: I remember the shooting in Arizona when Rep. Giffords got shot, so many in the media were jumping over the idea that Sarah Palin and Tea Party groups had inspired that violence. With this scenario, we have a similar situation, some crazy asshole shoots up a bunch of people, yet this guy is dressed like a character from the movie that is playing, tells the cops he is the 'Joker' upon his arrest, and maybe I've missed it, but nobody has made a single reference to the movie contributing in any way. It would be very different if it was a Michael Moore production wherein someone dressed as Sarah Palin came in shooting, yelling 'You Betcha' repeatedly. Situations aren't similar at all. Gabby Giffords was targeted, and seeing as she's a liberal politician, it isn't a stretch to say the shooting was politically motivated. Do you think it wasn't? This on the other hand, seems completely random. A batman-obsessed wannabe comic book villain. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On July 22 2012 08:57 Leporello wrote: Situations aren't similar at all. Gabby Giffords was targeted, and seeing as she's a liberal politician, it isn't a stretch to say the shooting was politically motivated. Do you think it wasn't? This on the other hand, seems completely random. A batman-obsessed wannabe comic book villain. How is it random when someone proclaims they are "The Joker", shows up in dyed red hair, shooting up a cinema full of people watching the Batman debut ? That doesn't appear "random" at all. I wouldn't say it does or doesn't have political motivations, based only on those observations, but it's hardly random. It's clearly inspired by the movie. Why no outrage about that aspect ? | ||
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LaSt)ChAnCe
United States2179 Posts
On July 21 2012 23:42 DoubleReed wrote: The cinema? How is the cinema culpable at all? did you read what i said? at no point did i say that the cinema is deserving of blame i said they'd pay.. because it happened at their site and they will do it, not that they have to (they may have to, too) but that they will (if for no other reason than because it's the right thing to do) or, as i said, other people will - the victims and their families won't need to | ||
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-_-Quails
Australia796 Posts
On July 22 2012 08:09 Kaitlin wrote: Only if under our laws, he's considered "legally insane" and therefore not legally responsible for his actions ... If he is insane, then I can only hope for his sake that he is never cured enough to understand the horror he has wrought. | ||
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Budmandude
United States123 Posts
On July 22 2012 07:50 Kaitlin wrote: I remember the shooting in Arizona when Rep. Giffords got shot, so many in the media were jumping over the idea that Sarah Palin and Tea Party groups had inspired that violence. With this scenario, we have a similar situation, some crazy asshole shoots up a bunch of people, yet this guy is dressed like a character from the movie that is playing, tells the cops he is the 'Joker' upon his arrest, and maybe I've missed it, but nobody has made a single reference to the movie contributing in any way. It would be very different if it was a Michael Moore production wherein someone dressed as Sarah Palin came in shooting, yelling 'You Betcha' repeatedly. Don't worry, within hours ABC news was reporting that someone in the Denver tea party: had the same name and maybe might have possibly been the person but they didn't know for sure and hadn't checked but were letting you know anyway just case. | ||
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
On July 22 2012 00:51 Warri wrote: Dafuq? Just because it was a theater this time doesnt mean its gonna be a theater next time. Do we have to have bigtime screening in every shopping mall, every school, every club, every bath now? That isn't what I said at all. I said the theater should have employed more security officers during a midnight screening of a big movie. It's just common sense to me that they would attempt to enforce the safety of the movie-goers when they know for a fact there will be a large amount of people there, that late at night. They do this where I live, it just baffles me that they didn't do it in Colorado. | ||
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