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On June 03 2012 03:34 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 03:31 MattBarry wrote:On June 03 2012 03:05 Faveokatro wrote:
^ This. The "I'm too smart/knowledgeable I don't need to do homework" never made sense to me. If it was that easy for you, the assignment would take almost no time, right? I don't understand where this attitude comes from, I was taking multi-variable calc in middle school and guess what. I still did my homework. I wasn't special and you certainly aren't special for earning a B on an English test. Are you joking? That isn't even that good.
As pointed out by others, the most common excuses of "my teacher sucks" or "my teacher is an asshole" are equally irrelevant. You'll have shitty professors, you'll have shitty bosses, you'll deal with a LOT of crappy coworkers in your life. The value you bring isn't solely in the quality of work you produce - even more solitary/quantifiable work like research is now very team-based. You need to learn how to tolerate and make the best of situations with people you don't like. Since you seem to think that those rules don't apply to when you enter "the real world," let me assure you that that isn't the case. Even as a personal trainer, you have bosses. Many of them. They're called clients. Uh what. Easy things can be very time consuming. And when it's easy and time consuming, it's tedious. And students in school have much more important things to do with their time than what they are being graded for. It doesn't matter that you think it's tedius or time consuming. What matters is the teachers opinion since they are the once your parents are paying to educate you. If the teacher thinks it's worth doing for a grade, it's worth doing.
I can't speak for America, but here our qualifications are based on national grading. Work in school (aside from a few subjects, like Art) has zero impact on grade, it's all about how you do in your final exams, which everyone in a year in the entire country sits together. When I was given literally 2+ hours of homework a day for my maths higher, I said "No". I refused to do it, because I knew it was pointless for me. My teacher told me I was going to fail, put my in detention, that sort of stupid shit. I then got the highest possible grade in the exam, and was the only person in my class to do so.
So you tell me, was I wrong to not spend hundreds of hours of my life doing tedious, repetitive bullshit just to make my teacher happy when I have proven that it was pointless?
But for the topic at large, this is just ridiculous. What the hell mark do you get if you don't get a 0? How can you get anything but a 0 for work not done?
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I've picked a fight with three of you I think. I'm out of steam, so just go back and read micronesia's post. He is much better spoken than I, and does a very good job of framing my argument. I get the feeling that some of you have never received a 0, or have ever truly struggled in a class. Not giving kids 0 does not have to do with hurting their feelings, or passing them on to the next grade undeserved, it has to do with not blowing up a kid's grade who has made a mistake. Trust me, if you give a kid a 40% instead of a 0% on a missing assignment, it still flunks the kid, it still teaches them a lesson (which all of you see so fucking worried about), and it makes it so that they can overcome their mistakes. That is the real value here that you seem to be missing out on. 0s often wreck a chance to succeed, and then there is little incentive to change behavior and learn from mistakes.
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On June 03 2012 03:38 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 03:32 Trezeguet wrote:On June 03 2012 03:23 nennx wrote:On June 03 2012 03:16 Trezeguet wrote:On June 03 2012 03:14 nennx wrote:
Honestly, you'd have to try fail a class. I can't believe we're having this discussion. If you fail a class, its because you 100% fucked up and its 100% your fault, its not the teachers fault. Every teacher lets you make up tests if they know before hand and you have a REAL excuse, and same goes for turning in homework (you can turn things in early, you know). This is a dumb discussion, if you're not willing to give someone a zero because they missed something, you aren't being a good teacher. Period. You really have no idea what it is like to be most kids. So many kids struggle in school, and this kid of attitude from kids who are not struggling makes me sick. A kid's mother's boyfriend shot the mother dead last week. The kid is doing terrible in my class. I guess I should just fail the kid ehh? Plenty of kids have trouble with math in particular, and they are working quite hard to improve. Are they A students? NO, but that does not mean I should fail them straight off. Its sick to me that you'd give someone the stamp of approval when someone is not ready to move on to the next level of education when they are clearly not ready. You're just increasing the chances that they will have trouble in more advanced classes (especially if its math). Yeah, you don't understand what is going on. I am not trying to incite you, just being blunt. Giving a kid 40%s the whole way flunks them right good. If a student demonstrates to me outside of the homework that they are above average in my class, but do not do any of the homework, I will likely pass them. Not with an A, but with the lowest passing grade available. The kid doesn't win. No one can show off a C, but on the other hand, the kid knows the stuff so what am I proving my holding him/her back? That in no way shows that I know anything about the subject. When you do physics, you learn various subtopics that often don't have much crossover. Your policy means that I can just study photonics, and not attend classes for 3/4 of the whole year and I still pass "physics". That's unfair to the kids who have had to attend all year and get a similar grade because their effort has to be distributed across more learning topics.
thats not what hes saying at all. hes just saying that above all, the teachers priority when assigning grades is to base it off the students understanding of the material, albeit with hw and grades factored in. Someone who performs well on the tests and does all their work will get an A, someone who performs poorly on tests but still clearly understands the material might not get an A, but still deservse to pass
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On June 03 2012 03:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 02:28 Kaitlin wrote:On June 03 2012 02:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 03 2012 02:00 shawster wrote:On June 03 2012 01:47 sereniity wrote:
As I go to school myself I find this a very interesting subject, a question I often bring up is "Are your grades a reflection of your knowledge/skill, or your work put into the class?"
Basically, I feel that even if my english is good enough for grade A, I cannot achieve it unless I come to almost every class and do every piece of homework, even if I get very high scores on my tests. Is this right or wrong?
In my own perfect world, a grade would reflect how a good a certain student is at said subject, not how much time dedicated into it. I know a guy in my english class who is terrible at english, yet he's given grade C. The only reason for that is because he did his homework and was nice to the teacher.
Me on the other hand, had a grudge with the teacher (along with the rest of the class) and I've been having constant meetings with the principal to get ourselves a new teacher (she has a terrible attitude and constantly mocks us, has an aura of prestige as if we're crap and she's the best, yet she can't even spell the word boulder).
Anyway, back on topic, I'm getting an E this year because I basically haven't come to many of her lessons (I have about 60% attendance rate). I did however get a B on my final exams (called 'Nationella Proven' in Sweden).
Maybe this was abit off-topic, I got abit carried away :D... totally disagree with you you're saying that intelligence should be your mark and effort should be less of it. come on now, how successful you are at a certain job is determined by your quality of work. i don't give a shit if you are extremely smart, if that average kid puts out a better product than you he's doing better than you. if you're extremely knowledgeable you should be doing better than the average kid if you are putting out the same effort. it sounds like homework still accounts for a chunk of your mark and that is dragging you down. why don't you just.. iunno.. do it if it's that easy. everyone has to do monotonous tasks, that's the effort part of it. If you are acing every test without studying for them, I hardly think it should matter much whether you wrote that retarded pretend diary your english teacher wanted you to write for class. If you are told that the diary is part of your grade, then you'd better do it if you want a good grade. If it's not graded, then you're right. But that's stupid, because what matters is how good I am at English not whether I proved it by repeating an inane task 50 times to get a pat on the head. Yeah, I never liked school much....
I guess I have two separate approaches to respond.
First, the alternative to basing a grade on objectively graded assignments and tests is to use the teacher's subjective opinion. Now we have entered into an area where racism and other prejudices affect your grade, and not your objective performance. Because in your approach, it's really not even how good you are at English, it's really how your teacher chooses to apply their subjective interpretation of how good you are at English. I suspect that if your teacher doesn't like you, their opinion of your English ability will be less. Is that more fair than an objective, performance-based, measuring system ? I can't imagine that it could be. If you disagree with your teacher's assessment, upon what do you base your argument ? Ironically, we're back to the performance measures.
Second, you are a professional gamer. How is your performance in that area measured ? You play matches against others. That's how. We celebrate those who win a given tournament. We celebrate those who win matches. Those are objective measurements. You may be the best-skilled Starcraft 2 player in the universe, Jinro, but without tourament results to back up that claim, it would be a hard argument to defend, would it not ? Results are what people look to. In class and in life.
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This is why Asains will rule the world and SC2. Teachers try and flunk students out there or at least are very tough on them to instill work ethic and strive for excellence. Seriously all this mediocrity and passing people along will be reflected on a national scale eventually from diminished wealth to politics to compentecy/integrity of bridges to doctors when you have a majority of underacheivers. I'm not saying some kids don't need extra help and tutoring to try and give them opportunity but not even trying should be a zero like it is in real life. You don't get paid if you do no work unless you count unsustainble social welfare which is breaking the West.
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Zero's are necessary.
School isn't a measure of knowledge or intelligence, it's a measure of work ethic plain and simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
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On June 03 2012 03:34 sereniity wrote:
Wait.. How's the grade system like in USA? In Sweden it's from F-A, F being the lowest and A highest ofcourse.
Same, but we don't have an 'E' grade. Just A, B, C, D, F.
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On June 03 2012 03:41 Trezeguet wrote:
I've picked a fight with three of you I think. I'm out of steam, so just go back and read micronesia's post. He is much better spoken than I, and does a very good job of framing my argument. I get the feeling that some of you have never received a 0, or have ever truly struggled in a class. Not giving kids 0 does not have to do with hurting their feelings, or passing them on to the next grade undeserved, it has to do with not blowing up a kid's grade who has made a mistake. Trust me, if you give a kid a 40% instead of a 0% on a missing assignment, it still flunks the kid, it still teaches them a lesson (which all of you see so fucking worried about), and it makes it so that they can overcome their mistakes. That is the real value here that you seem to be missing out on. 0s often wreck a chance to succeed, and then there is little incentive to change behavior and learn from mistakes.
Which is why most teachers (including this one the article addresses) offer makeup sessions, partial credit, different weighting, etc. If a teacher doesn't do anything like this, and is actively discriminating, then you can go to his boss, or your parents, but that is not what is happening here.
I get the feeling you've never been in an actual class, that, or you seem to think all teachers are cruel heartless people for some reason.
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On June 03 2012 03:41 Trezeguet wrote:
I've picked a fight with three of you I think. I'm out of steam, so just go back and read micronesia's post. He is much better spoken than I, and does a very good job of framing my argument. I get the feeling that some of you have never received a 0, or have ever truly struggled in a class. Not giving kids 0 does not have to do with hurting their feelings, or passing them on to the next grade undeserved, it has to do with not blowing up a kid's grade who has made a mistake. Trust me, if you give a kid a 40% instead of a 0% on a missing assignment, it still flunks the kid, it still teaches them a lesson (which all of you see so fucking worried about), and it makes it so that they can overcome their mistakes. That is the real value here that you seem to be missing out on. 0s often wreck a chance to succeed, and then there is little incentive to change behavior and learn from mistakes.
No. Generally, points are allocated based on a given assignment's importance. If tests are 100, then homework assignments might be worth 10 points each. Maybe some projects that are done over a period of time might be worth a test score, or 50, or some other value. If you ditch a homework assignment, you get a 0 out of 10. No big deal, you set yourself back 10 points. That will hardly result in you failing the class. If you establish a pattern of not doing any homework, then yeah, you have a problem, and it is a well-deserved problem. You are not going to get a 0 on a test until you don't know any of the material covered, and of course, you can't really argue that you don't deserve to fail if you didn't learn anything in the class.
You don't deserve a 4 out of 10 for homework you don't do.
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On June 03 2012 03:44 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 03:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 03 2012 02:28 Kaitlin wrote:On June 03 2012 02:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 03 2012 02:00 shawster wrote:On June 03 2012 01:47 sereniity wrote:
As I go to school myself I find this a very interesting subject, a question I often bring up is "Are your grades a reflection of your knowledge/skill, or your work put into the class?"
Basically, I feel that even if my english is good enough for grade A, I cannot achieve it unless I come to almost every class and do every piece of homework, even if I get very high scores on my tests. Is this right or wrong?
In my own perfect world, a grade would reflect how a good a certain student is at said subject, not how much time dedicated into it. I know a guy in my english class who is terrible at english, yet he's given grade C. The only reason for that is because he did his homework and was nice to the teacher.
Me on the other hand, had a grudge with the teacher (along with the rest of the class) and I've been having constant meetings with the principal to get ourselves a new teacher (she has a terrible attitude and constantly mocks us, has an aura of prestige as if we're crap and she's the best, yet she can't even spell the word boulder).
Anyway, back on topic, I'm getting an E this year because I basically haven't come to many of her lessons (I have about 60% attendance rate). I did however get a B on my final exams (called 'Nationella Proven' in Sweden).
Maybe this was abit off-topic, I got abit carried away :D... totally disagree with you you're saying that intelligence should be your mark and effort should be less of it. come on now, how successful you are at a certain job is determined by your quality of work. i don't give a shit if you are extremely smart, if that average kid puts out a better product than you he's doing better than you. if you're extremely knowledgeable you should be doing better than the average kid if you are putting out the same effort. it sounds like homework still accounts for a chunk of your mark and that is dragging you down. why don't you just.. iunno.. do it if it's that easy. everyone has to do monotonous tasks, that's the effort part of it. If you are acing every test without studying for them, I hardly think it should matter much whether you wrote that retarded pretend diary your english teacher wanted you to write for class. If you are told that the diary is part of your grade, then you'd better do it if you want a good grade. If it's not graded, then you're right. But that's stupid, because what matters is how good I am at English not whether I proved it by repeating an inane task 50 times to get a pat on the head. Yeah, I never liked school much.... I guess I have two separate approaches to respond. Second, you are a professional gamer. How is your performance in that area measured ? You play matches against others. That's how. We celebrate those who win a given tournament. We celebrate those who win matches. Those are objective measurements. You may be the best-skilled Starcraft 2 player in the universe, Jinro, but without tourament results to back up that claim, it would be a hard argument to defend, would it not ? Results are what people look to. In class and in life.
You don't have to do a certain thing about 50 times to prove that, according to your logic it's fine if he proves it in the final exams, right?
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On June 03 2012 03:41 Trezeguet wrote:
I've picked a fight with three of you I think. I'm out of steam, so just go back and read micronesia's post. He is much better spoken than I, and does a very good job of framing my argument. I get the feeling that some of you have never received a 0, or have ever truly struggled in a class. Not giving kids 0 does not have to do with hurting their feelings, or passing them on to the next grade undeserved, it has to do with not blowing up a kid's grade who has made a mistake. Trust me, if you give a kid a 40% instead of a 0% on a missing assignment, it still flunks the kid, it still teaches them a lesson (which all of you see so fucking worried about), and it makes it so that they can overcome their mistakes. That is the real value here that you seem to be missing out on. 0s often wreck a chance to succeed, and then there is little incentive to change behavior and learn from mistakes.
If you think babysitting kids through school is going to prepare them for college, much less real life, I don't really know what to say.
If the kid refuses to do homework, how the hell should he/she not get a 0? Why would you give credit for completely missing an assignment? That would surely teach me a lesson, it would teach me that I can do nothing and still not completely fail.
That's a fucking terrible lesson.
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On June 03 2012 03:31 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 03:05 Faveokatro wrote:
^ This. The "I'm too smart/knowledgeable I don't need to do homework" never made sense to me. If it was that easy for you, the assignment would take almost no time, right? I don't understand where this attitude comes from, I was taking multi-variable calc in middle school and guess what. I still did my homework. I wasn't special and you certainly aren't special for earning a B on an English test. Are you joking? That isn't even that good.
As pointed out by others, the most common excuses of "my teacher sucks" or "my teacher is an asshole" are equally irrelevant. You'll have shitty professors, you'll have shitty bosses, you'll deal with a LOT of crappy coworkers in your life. The value you bring isn't solely in the quality of work you produce - even more solitary/quantifiable work like research is now very team-based. You need to learn how to tolerate and make the best of situations with people you don't like. Since you seem to think that those rules don't apply to when you enter "the real world," let me assure you that that isn't the case. Even as a personal trainer, you have bosses. Many of them. They're called clients. Uh what. Easy things can be very time consuming. And when it's easy and time consuming, it's tedious.
Typical exaggeration. Care to give an actual example of an assignment your teacher gave which was A) Easy B) Time-consuming and C) Didn't help reinforce your understanding of the concepts?
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On June 03 2012 03:41 Trezeguet wrote:
I've picked a fight with three of you I think. I'm out of steam, so just go back and read micronesia's post. He is much better spoken than I, and does a very good job of framing my argument. I get the feeling that some of you have never received a 0, or have ever truly struggled in a class. Not giving kids 0 does not have to do with hurting their feelings, or passing them on to the next grade undeserved, it has to do with not blowing up a kid's grade who has made a mistake. Trust me, if you give a kid a 40% instead of a 0% on a missing assignment, it still flunks the kid, it still teaches them a lesson (which all of you see so fucking worried about), and it makes it so that they can overcome their mistakes. That is the real value here that you seem to be missing out on. 0s often wreck a chance to succeed, and then there is little incentive to change behavior and learn from mistakes.
I partially agree with what you are saying but you are not addressing the OP. The context you are describing is a struggling student. These are not struggling students, the teacher has proven that ANYONE in his class is capable of passing, because of his extremely high passing rate and how many extra chances he gives the students. The only students that get 0's are the ones who are completely adamant on getting a 0.
These kids are given plenty of chances to succeed, the kids who get 0's are the ones that don't hand in the assignment even if they are given multiple chances.
On June 03 2012 03:42 Pazuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 03:38 sluggaslamoo wrote:On June 03 2012 03:32 Trezeguet wrote:On June 03 2012 03:23 nennx wrote:On June 03 2012 03:16 Trezeguet wrote:On June 03 2012 03:14 nennx wrote:
Honestly, you'd have to try fail a class. I can't believe we're having this discussion. If you fail a class, its because you 100% fucked up and its 100% your fault, its not the teachers fault. Every teacher lets you make up tests if they know before hand and you have a REAL excuse, and same goes for turning in homework (you can turn things in early, you know). This is a dumb discussion, if you're not willing to give someone a zero because they missed something, you aren't being a good teacher. Period. You really have no idea what it is like to be most kids. So many kids struggle in school, and this kid of attitude from kids who are not struggling makes me sick. A kid's mother's boyfriend shot the mother dead last week. The kid is doing terrible in my class. I guess I should just fail the kid ehh? Plenty of kids have trouble with math in particular, and they are working quite hard to improve. Are they A students? NO, but that does not mean I should fail them straight off. Its sick to me that you'd give someone the stamp of approval when someone is not ready to move on to the next level of education when they are clearly not ready. You're just increasing the chances that they will have trouble in more advanced classes (especially if its math). Yeah, you don't understand what is going on. I am not trying to incite you, just being blunt. Giving a kid 40%s the whole way flunks them right good. If a student demonstrates to me outside of the homework that they are above average in my class, but do not do any of the homework, I will likely pass them. Not with an A, but with the lowest passing grade available. The kid doesn't win. No one can show off a C, but on the other hand, the kid knows the stuff so what am I proving my holding him/her back? That in no way shows that I know anything about the subject. When you do physics, you learn various subtopics that often don't have much crossover. Your policy means that I can just study photonics, and not attend classes for 3/4 of the whole year and I still pass "physics". That's unfair to the kids who have had to attend all year and get a similar grade because their effort has to be distributed across more learning topics. thats not what hes saying at all. hes just saying that above all, the teachers priority when assigning grades is to base it off the students understanding of the material, albeit with hw and grades factored in. Someone who performs well on the tests and does all their work will get an A, someone who performs poorly on tests but still clearly understands the material might not get an A, but still deservse to pass
I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with people who don't do ANY work, that are allowed to pass. His system allows someone to just pass one test well and then not turn up for the rest of the year. How do you think that makes the rest of the class feel?
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On June 03 2012 03:51 Faveokatro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 03:31 MattBarry wrote:On June 03 2012 03:05 Faveokatro wrote:
^ This. The "I'm too smart/knowledgeable I don't need to do homework" never made sense to me. If it was that easy for you, the assignment would take almost no time, right? I don't understand where this attitude comes from, I was taking multi-variable calc in middle school and guess what. I still did my homework. I wasn't special and you certainly aren't special for earning a B on an English test. Are you joking? That isn't even that good.
As pointed out by others, the most common excuses of "my teacher sucks" or "my teacher is an asshole" are equally irrelevant. You'll have shitty professors, you'll have shitty bosses, you'll deal with a LOT of crappy coworkers in your life. The value you bring isn't solely in the quality of work you produce - even more solitary/quantifiable work like research is now very team-based. You need to learn how to tolerate and make the best of situations with people you don't like. Since you seem to think that those rules don't apply to when you enter "the real world," let me assure you that that isn't the case. Even as a personal trainer, you have bosses. Many of them. They're called clients. Uh what. Easy things can be very time consuming. And when it's easy and time consuming, it's tedious. Typical exaggeration. Care to give an actual example of an assignment your teacher gave which was A) Easy B) Time-consuming and C) Didn't help reinforce your understanding of the concepts?
Well (c) is rather the point, isn't it?
What if you don't need anything reinforced?
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On June 03 2012 01:52 Roachu wrote:
I imagine Canada have clear course descriptions like we have in Sweden and here we fail the fucking course if we don't meet the requirements. In Sweden we have IG (Swedish: icke godkänd, rough translation: YOU DID NOT PASS) and if you don't pass your assignments and tests you don't pass the course. This is totally warranted and everything else is bullshit.
Edit: I'm going to university now where they are more strict overall but IMO the same attitude should show across the board. It might be a shock to some kids in high school but education is one of the most important things in they world and if they don't understand what a 0 means for them they will suffer for it in the future.
Basically the same here in Norway, if you are absent in 10% of the, let's say English classes over the course of a year, you fail at the subject and get an incomplete diploma and have to redo the entire years worth of English classes to recieve a complete diploma. It's kind of hard to fail a subject if you are present at all (or most) classes, except if you have an extremely strict teacher, but then again it's extremely hard to get a top score as well so it kind of evens itself out I guess.
What is up with all of these lazy as f*ck students and dumbass teachers/principals/school officials lately?
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I think the situation is more complicated than most give credit but this did make me laugh. The teacher is going all vigilante over students not doing what they are told by not doing what he is told. The moral of his actions, presumably, is that kids should not be rewarded for breaking the rules. Maybe he should follow his own advice and work within the system to make the change he wants to see (which I would support btw).
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I remember the final project in my AP Psych class was to create a social psychology experiment, carry it out, and turn in a report with the findings in a group.
My group didn't do anything, but I knew it was important to do because it was 10% of the grade in the class. 10. Percent. So, naturally, I waited until 2AM the day it was due, and fabricated ALL of the data and made up crap for the report (my group didn't do anything, so I was essentially doing it for myself; another topic entirely). It was incredibly easy to do because the analysis didn't even require actual statistical analysis - just a bunch of assumptions and vague assertions. I managed to turn in it on time, and got 100% on the assignment (which meant I would have an A in the class).
Why did I do the assignment? To get an A in the class. Did I learn anything? No. Did doing the assignment teach me anything? Well, other than that I have the ability to make up a project the night before its due, nope. What purpose did the assignment serve in my high school career? The purpose was essentially just to make me do it.
It taught absolutely nothing. If you think doing homework teaches responsibility, then you might be right to some degree. However, when an assignment clearly exists to exist, that line of thought is no longer valid. Letting an assignment slide until the absolute last moment just because you feel like getting a better grade doesn't actually teach you responsibility. I know I didn't build my work ethic by doing that.
Get rid of stupid, meaningless, tedious assignments. Getting 97% on the final test should be sufficient to say that a student knows their stuff. If you want to grade students on responsibility, find some other way to do it. A student who turns in all of their assignments isn't necessarily more responsible than a student who never did any work.
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On June 03 2012 03:52 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 03:51 Faveokatro wrote:On June 03 2012 03:31 MattBarry wrote:On June 03 2012 03:05 Faveokatro wrote:
^ This. The "I'm too smart/knowledgeable I don't need to do homework" never made sense to me. If it was that easy for you, the assignment would take almost no time, right? I don't understand where this attitude comes from, I was taking multi-variable calc in middle school and guess what. I still did my homework. I wasn't special and you certainly aren't special for earning a B on an English test. Are you joking? That isn't even that good.
As pointed out by others, the most common excuses of "my teacher sucks" or "my teacher is an asshole" are equally irrelevant. You'll have shitty professors, you'll have shitty bosses, you'll deal with a LOT of crappy coworkers in your life. The value you bring isn't solely in the quality of work you produce - even more solitary/quantifiable work like research is now very team-based. You need to learn how to tolerate and make the best of situations with people you don't like. Since you seem to think that those rules don't apply to when you enter "the real world," let me assure you that that isn't the case. Even as a personal trainer, you have bosses. Many of them. They're called clients. Uh what. Easy things can be very time consuming. And when it's easy and time consuming, it's tedious. Typical exaggeration. Care to give an actual example of an assignment your teacher gave which was A) Easy B) Time-consuming and C) Didn't help reinforce your understanding of the concepts? Well (c) is rather the point, isn't it? What if you don't need anything reinforced?
You can't really compare the two systems. Under the UK system homework really means jack coz the final exams are pretty damn thorough.
I was under a semi-US and UK system for high school. So I basically did nothing except the graded work and the finals. Aced everything.
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I did not know that the education system in Canada had as many issues as the one in America, wow this was an eye opener, its things like us that plague us too.
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You do an assignment perfectly, you get 100% you understand 100% of the material.
You do an assignment quickly, you rush it and get a 50% because you understood 50% of the material.
You don't do an assignment, you don't hand anything, you SHOULDN'T get a 0% because you haven't shown anything.
A zero represents you were wrong, you don't understand the content from the course, you don't know that 2+2 = 4. That is different than not handing in an assignment.
That is why the school board (here) says that if you don't hand something in, or fail to show up for a class you get an NA. "Not Available". You haven't proven if you can, or can not, do the content. That is much different than a 0%.
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