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Eeevil
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands359 Posts
April 26 2012 16:39 GMT
#501
They published this article before the actual trial because they're pretty sure the article will be a crapload less exiting if the kid will recieve X hours of community service or is aquitted for shit not making sense. The key word is "possibly" here. The BBC looked at what the worst possible sentence for this crime is and put that in the article.

If any sentence is given, it would not be for killing the fish but for doing stupid shit like that on youtube.
Dance like a butterfly, sting like an Intercontinental Ballistic Nuclear Missle.
momonami5
Profile Joined July 2011
United States109 Posts
April 26 2012 16:42 GMT
#502
On April 27 2012 00:54 Slakter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 00:46 TwilightStar wrote:
I guess we should arrest larger fish for eating goldfish, just like this man has.


How can people be so stupid..


It's a fish.


This logic is beyond stupid.

That's like saying that it's okay to hunt an endangered species just because other animals do it.


it's a fish. only reason you care is cause the media. you probably continue your day like all humans selfish and uncare I doubt you go to any dog pounds or rallys to try and save animals from cruelty.
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
April 26 2012 16:44 GMT
#503
If any sentence given then it is given for CAUSING PAIN TO THE ANIMAL, the law has got nothing to do with him putting it on youtube.
What you're looking at could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning. Introducing Mr. John Valentine, air traveler. His destination: the Twilight Zone...
Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 16:51:09
April 26 2012 16:50 GMT
#504
Hey guys! Lets grab our torches and pitchforks and storm Bear Grylls' house! It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that if you eat live fish for ANY REASON you ARE A WITCH! I can't emphasize this enough. We MUST burn him at the stake, its the only way.

Here is a guy backing me up.

+ Show Spoiler +


Also I would like to cite precedent of using animals to determine witchness.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmF_yXQkVh0&feature=related
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
April 26 2012 17:08 GMT
#505
^ really...
What you're looking at could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning. Introducing Mr. John Valentine, air traveler. His destination: the Twilight Zone...
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
April 26 2012 17:38 GMT
#506
Why are people linking Fear Factor videos? They always say in every start of the show that you should not attempt anything you see. Geeez.
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 18:17:13
April 26 2012 18:13 GMT
#507
On April 27 2012 02:38 Xpace wrote:
Why are people linking Fear Factor videos? They always say in every start of the show that you should not attempt anything you see. Geeez.

Louis' videos have that too... point?
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
April 26 2012 19:27 GMT
#508
On April 27 2012 03:13 Jojo131 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 02:38 Xpace wrote:
Why are people linking Fear Factor videos? They always say in every start of the show that you should not attempt anything you see. Geeez.

Louis' videos have that too... point?


Exactly...
What you're looking at could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning. Introducing Mr. John Valentine, air traveler. His destination: the Twilight Zone...
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
April 26 2012 19:32 GMT
#509
On April 26 2012 19:17 brum wrote:
Seriously...?
May as well sue millions of asians, since there is a live fish dish there..

Also, gold fish are considered to be one of the stupidest pets you can get your hands on.
Going by this logic you could sue people for trampling on ants.
At which size of animal does it become possible to sue someone, lol?


in the video doesnt SHOW they ate it.
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
April 26 2012 19:36 GMT
#510
On April 27 2012 04:32 RusHXceL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 19:17 brum wrote:
Seriously...?
May as well sue millions of asians, since there is a live fish dish there..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frf-1tNcdWg
Also, gold fish are considered to be one of the stupidest pets you can get your hands on.
Going by this logic you could sue people for trampling on ants.
At which size of animal does it become possible to sue someone, lol?


in the video doesnt SHOW they ate it.


How does that make a difference?
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
April 26 2012 19:48 GMT
#511
On April 27 2012 04:27 Thylacine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 03:13 Jojo131 wrote:
On April 27 2012 02:38 Xpace wrote:
Why are people linking Fear Factor videos? They always say in every start of the show that you should not attempt anything you see. Geeez.

Louis' videos have that too... point?


Exactly...


My sarcastic joke obviously failed ><
shtdisturbance
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada613 Posts
April 26 2012 19:51 GMT
#512
I eat fish all the time?? How do they die?
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 26 2012 19:53 GMT
#513
Pretty sure they've done something like this in jackass once, drink a fish then puke up and the goldfish was still alive. Better jail them too.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
April 26 2012 19:54 GMT
#514
Animal cruelty, like most things, exists on a spectrum. As a consumer of farmed meat products it is easy to become largely indifferent to these subjects as a matter of practicality yet I find it hard to believe that even the most hardcore carnivores believe there should be absolutely no standards. If this man was literally torturing the fish, inflicting the most pain possible over the longest time possible without killing it, would that be okay? Most people would say no and based on that premise there has to be some sort of rule. Once you accept that regulation is necessary, you accept that there has to be a hard line that falls on one side or the other of matters such as these and cultural traditions like those shown in this thread. I dont personally feel that this is serious enough to warrant legal action but I understand why others would. I consider it a regulatory failing that so many lack an understanding of the finer points of this issue.

TL/DR: We need clearer guidelines to prevent arbitrary litigation in animal cruelty cases.
ThomasR
Profile Joined January 2012
764 Posts
April 26 2012 19:55 GMT
#515
What a bunch of hypocrites. The majority of these people giving him shit are probably carnivores themselves. Are they saying it's more humane when they slice a fish's belly, remove the guts and clean it before consuming?
MadProbe
Profile Joined February 2012
United States269 Posts
April 26 2012 20:06 GMT
#516
On April 27 2012 01:50 Arghmyliver wrote:
Hey guys! Lets grab our torches and pitchforks and storm Bear Grylls' house! It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that if you eat live fish for ANY REASON you ARE A WITCH! I can't emphasize this enough. We MUST burn him at the stake, its the only way.

Here is a guy backing me up.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q3RogvU5qA


Also I would like to cite precedent of using animals to determine witchness.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmF_yXQkVh0&feature=related


hahaha so true.

what i cant understand is how people hate on a guy for eating a fish, while they eat their hamburgers, fried chicken and milkshakes... those animals you eat lived their entire lives in horrible conditions before getting shot in the head and their throats slit.

accept it or go vegan. otherwise you just look like an idiot.
Swagtacular
Profile Joined March 2011
United States101 Posts
April 26 2012 20:14 GMT
#517
I see no problem with this. Although it is disgusting for a human, what is the difference between eating a gold fish and eating a live minnow (as is not unusually in Japan and I have done)?

Also, over the years I've had a lot of animals (frogs, snakes, lizards, etc). So what is the difference between feeding a FEEDER goldfish (sold for the purpose of being given as food to pets) to an animal or person? The way the frogs I've had eat the fish is MUCH more gruesome than the way a person would.

Sometimes I think some people treat animals too much like people. If humans didnt have tech, we would be eaten too. It is simply the food chain and the nature of all living things.
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
April 26 2012 20:28 GMT
#518
On April 27 2012 04:48 Xpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 04:27 Thylacine wrote:
On April 27 2012 03:13 Jojo131 wrote:
On April 27 2012 02:38 Xpace wrote:
Why are people linking Fear Factor videos? They always say in every start of the show that you should not attempt anything you see. Geeez.

Louis' videos have that too... point?


Exactly...


My sarcastic joke obviously failed ><


My ''exactly'' was aimed at the fact that there is warning signs on both fear factor + louis videos and people should therefore stop saying it's bad to compare fear factor because ''they the only ones with warnign sign derp''. Didnt misunderstand you in any way.
What you're looking at could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning. Introducing Mr. John Valentine, air traveler. His destination: the Twilight Zone...
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
April 26 2012 20:32 GMT
#519
Anyone who finds this not ridiculous has a state of mind that I don't even want to know.
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Competent
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
April 26 2012 21:07 GMT
#520
After reading 19 pages, the only justification for eating the live gold fish is, "Other animals are eaten alive also." or some form of appeals to nature. I would suggest that these people pick up a book on logical fallacies; you need it.

The issue that most people today have a hard time understanding is the issue of well being. We are animals too, but we are different in the idea that we have the ability to view that the retraction of well being is a bad thing--however insignificant the life. Most here have argued that "It's just a goldfish. It's brain capacity/memory/sentience/etc... is miniscule." While this is a factual statement, let me propose the logical inconsistency behind it. What if, on scale, a race of aliens from another world were so intellectually advanced that we appeared to be that of a goldfish's intelligence in comparison to theirs? Quickly we can realize the moral (not talking to you nihilists) dilemma at hand. There obviously is a problem, but to these aliens, we are mere "goldfish" in a pond that will do well in nourishing their bodies. It isn't illegal to them to eat things from other worlds. The pain we feel isn't on the scale of pain that they are capable of feeling--which is much higher. However, I--and I hope you-- would find issue with being eaten, despite being apart of nature and being so insignificant in brain intellect, and maybe even size.

While there may be a line that could be drawn as to what is below the point of "what we shouldn't care about" we should not draw this line arbitrarily on the claim of moral ignorance until we find a better answer. We should care about everything that can feel--any--pain, love, attraction, loyalty, and happiness--among others--until, if ever, we find the best suited answer.



Nurrrhhh, I'm gonna be A+ by Wendsday! -Day[9] "I'm going to spread out my lings so it looks like there is more. Lots of animals do that." -CatZ
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