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Oh, I've been wanting to ask this. What is the middle class? It's like all they talk about when it comes to taxes and I have no idea who is in that group. In my mind it's people that live comfortably and have discretionary income but those aren't numbers.
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On October 19 2012 04:57 mordek wrote:
Oh, I've been wanting to ask this. What is the middle class? It's like all they talk about when it comes to taxes and I have no idea who is in that group. In my mind it's people that live comfortably and have discretionary income but those aren't numbers.
going by some of these romney tax studies, it's anyone making less than 100k.
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On October 19 2012 04:30 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:28 ZeaL. wrote:On October 19 2012 04:18 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 04:12 turdburgler wrote:On October 19 2012 04:04 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 03:53 oneofthem wrote:a main problem for obama is how republicans stonewall him in congress, with the intent of politicizing and taking advantage of the administration's "failure" to pass policies. this problem should lessen in the 2nd term, and obama is pretty keen on trading short term compromise for long term gain. it just so happens that compromises are pretty worthless to republicans nowadays and that threw a major wrench into his calculations, which is probably based on the history of a more civilized age. here's obama on his long term strategy http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/32914071836/the-obama-method Yes and no. Yes, Republicans stonewalled him. But no, I don't think that's going to lessen in a second term. It's not just a one-sided stonewalling. The Democrats have been just as unwilling to let Republicans have a say. thats not fair. the repubs are the one starting from the top of mount stupid on some issues (NO TAX RISES AT ALL) so when they give an inch in compromise, they are still on mount stupid, you cant have a dialogue with that. and secondly this past 4 years has seen more filibusters than ever before. they are considerably worse than any minority party in history. Yawn. Unimpressed. More filibusters does not equal more stonewalling. I know Democrats love that statistic as it "proves" their point. But it doesn't. I'm sure there's a dandy good fucking reason for delaying low-level judicial appointments that had bipartisan support in committee. If I'm not mistaken, there is a bi-partisan bill being worked on to prevent this type of situation in the future with such divided Congresses as of late.
THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE REPUBLICANS' PAST FOUR YEARS OF STONEWALLING. Until you understand that you are just another partisan hack.
On October 19 2012 04:42 ziggurat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:08 Souma wrote:On October 19 2012 04:04 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 03:53 oneofthem wrote:a main problem for obama is how republicans stonewall him in congress, with the intent of politicizing and taking advantage of the administration's "failure" to pass policies. this problem should lessen in the 2nd term, and obama is pretty keen on trading short term compromise for long term gain. it just so happens that compromises are pretty worthless to republicans nowadays and that threw a major wrench into his calculations, which is probably based on the history of a more civilized age. here's obama on his long term strategy http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/32914071836/the-obama-method Yes and no. Yes, Republicans stonewalled him. But no, I don't think that's going to lessen in a second term. It's not just a one-sided stonewalling. The Democrats have been just as unwilling to let Republicans have a say. Yeeaah, because Democrats are so petty that they drag down the judicial confirmation process. Stop it. Your comparison holds no weight. Both sides have hated each other throughout history, and both sides have impeded one another and will continue to do so. The past four years have been on an entirely different level, however, mainly through the efforts of a moronic Republican party. How have the last 4 years been on an entirely different level? I am sincerely curious because I remember Republicans obstructing Clinton and Democrats obstructing Bush and I don't really see much difference between those eras and what we're seeing now. What exactly is it that makes you say this Republican congress is so different?
I detailed it in a previous post:
On October 02 2012 22:09 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 15:56 BluePanther wrote:On October 02 2012 13:42 Sanctimonius wrote:On October 02 2012 13:01 Kaitlin wrote:On October 02 2012 12:47 BlueBird. wrote:
The fact is Congress has an extremely low approval rating for what they are doing, so apparently that significant part of our country your talking bout is about 15% last time I heard. No, the significant part of the country I am speaking of, is enough to put a majority into the House of Representatives. Just because Congress' approval rating is shit, doesn't mean people are unhappy with what the people they voted for are doing. From my perspective, the Republicans standing firm and preventing as much Liberfail policies from being implemented is good. It doesn't mean I approve of the entire House and Senate. Two people can both be dissatisfied with Congress, yet disagree completely on what Congress should be doing. The Republican Congress has been the worst thing I've seen in politics in a long time. Seriously, if the policies Obama suggested were for the good of the country, hell even if the policies were identical to what a Republican president might suggest, they would vote it down, because it's more important that Obama fails than the country succeeds. And that, to me, is pathetic. Why would anyone support this childish behaviour, especially when it has quite literally threatened the US on a number of occasions - the one-up-manship of the debt ceiling, anyone? This Congress has one aim and one aim only, to try and make sure Obama is a one-term president - hell, arguments are already being made that Obama didn't do enough this presidency. I'm sure those arguments would be louder except they know the public will blame the Republicans at least as much as Obama. They aren't opposing his policies, they aren't disagreeing with his aims, they are taking a personal offence to his temerity in being the President of the US. Pretty sad, really, and certainly not doing anything worthwhile to earn their ridiculous tax breaks, salaries or pensions. Small wonder this has a 15% approval rating, people are getting angry that Congress is being paid to literally do nothing, and make damn sure nothing happens. Ummmmm.... the Democrats did the EXACT SAME THING to Bush. Oh OPEN YOUR EYES for once. It's one thing to agree with the policies of Republicanism, it's another thing to defend the current Republican party whose obstructionism is at an unprecedented all time high by FAR. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9EY57.png) Democrats did the exact same thing? Not even close. Republicans broke the all-time record for filibusters during the 111th Congress, of which the previous record held was by the 110th Congress which was also led by the Republican minority (filibusters doubled compared to the 109th!). To top it all off, it's taken them an average of 139 days to confirm Circuit Court nominees compared to the 29 days it took the Bush Administration, and 99 days for District Court nominees compared to 21 days for Bush. We have TONS of vacancies in the federal courts and the Republicans are pissing off even the judiciary! They're even doing the same with executive nominations. Once again it's one thing to believe in the ideals of Republicanism. It's also nice if you'd have the balls like a couple of other posters in this thread to actually praise Republican obstructionism. But don't even try to say Democrats did the same shit. It's not even close.
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On October 19 2012 05:01 Souma wrote:
THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE REPUBLICANS' PAST FOUR YEARS OF STONEWALLING. Until you understand that you are just another partisan hack.
hypocrite
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On October 19 2012 05:02 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 05:01 Souma wrote:
THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE REPUBLICANS' PAST FOUR YEARS OF STONEWALLING. Until you understand that you are just another partisan hack.
hypocrite
I'm a flaming liberal and I know it. Apparently you don't know that you are a partisan hack so you need it shoved down your throat.
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On October 19 2012 05:01 Souma wrote:
THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE REPUBLICANS' PAST FOUR YEARS OF STONEWALLING. Until you understand that you are just another partisan hack.
Four years?
Obama had a 59-41 democratic senate majority + 257-178 seat majority in the house for his first two years.
Pretty sure they could pass almost anything they wanted in the first two years, but nothing happened because democrats themselves didn't blindly go with it either.
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On October 19 2012 05:02 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 05:01 Souma wrote:
THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE REPUBLICANS' PAST FOUR YEARS OF STONEWALLING. Until you understand that you are just another partisan hack.
hypocrite
Relax. Nobody wants this thread to become a ban trap or you to get a lockdown as your profile icon:
1) Civility, please.
... even though if I disagree with you on everything 
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On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in.
Are you saying the press from Europe, Asia and Asia Pacific (and countries that have substantially higher standard of living than US) are stimultaneously "brainwashed" into thinking the current Republican Party as joke? I am from Taiwan, I can testify by saying most Taiwanese think very little about current Republican party.
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On October 19 2012 05:09 Mysticesper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 05:01 Souma wrote:
THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE REPUBLICANS' PAST FOUR YEARS OF STONEWALLING. Until you understand that you are just another partisan hack.
Four years? Obama had a 59-41 democratic senate majority + 257-178 seat majority in the house for his first two years. Pretty sure they could pass almost anything they wanted in the first two years, but nothing happened because democrats themselves didn't blindly go with it either.
Majority != super majority of which there wasn't one for two whole years. Can't believe we have to go through this again. Someone else can take a shot at it.
But you're right, it hasn't been four years. It's more like 2 1/2 or 3 years.
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On October 19 2012 04:55 DrCooper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in. You're 28 ( not that old). Romney might spend less money than Obama, but for what? More military? Really? Oh btw. you're voting for someone, who, with all seriousness asked, why the windows in airplanes won't open. You want someone that stupid as your president? Have you americans learned nothing from Bush? Either you are really wealthy, or stupid. For the environment, Romney would be a disaster. Heck, for everybody in the world Romney would be a disaster.
I think the windows comment was just a joke. The reporter who was interviewing him even said it was, when asked about it.
Romney is not the stereotypical idiot conservative. That would be Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, etc. I think a lot of what he claims about how his tax cut would work, or balancing the budget without cutting the big programs we actually spend loads of money on, or NA energy independence, are a bunch if hooey. But he's really just doing the same thing he did to win the primary nomination -- saying the right combination of words to get people to vote for him. If he wins, then we'll know what his real ideas are (which, yes, should be concerning if you don't trust him or Congress).
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if you trust romney and you are not making bank with capital gains or real estate income i have a bridge to sell you in brooklyn.
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On October 19 2012 05:17 oneofthem wrote:
if you trust romney and you are not making bank with capital gains or real estate income i have a bridge to sell you in brooklyn.
Hahaha funny 
Unfortunately, you'll be able to sell many bridges.
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On October 19 2012 05:09 Mysticesper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 05:01 Souma wrote:
THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE REPUBLICANS' PAST FOUR YEARS OF STONEWALLING. Until you understand that you are just another partisan hack.
Four years? Obama had a 59-41 democratic senate majority + 257-178 seat majority in the house for his first two years. Pretty sure they could pass almost anything they wanted in the first two years, but nothing happened because democrats themselves didn't blindly go with it either.
he had a super majority for 27(?) days before kennedy died which they used to pass obamacare.
so you are right that NEITHER party 100% blindly follows the group, yet not only do you phrase it in a partisan way (oohh some dems arent stupid, some come to the correct GOP side) but you are also wrong, even with all democratic members following the party line, a filibuster will stop them with everything.
On October 19 2012 05:13 Signet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:55 DrCooper wrote:On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in. You're 28 ( not that old). Romney might spend less money than Obama, but for what? More military? Really? Oh btw. you're voting for someone, who, with all seriousness asked, why the windows in airplanes won't open. You want someone that stupid as your president? Have you americans learned nothing from Bush? Either you are really wealthy, or stupid. For the environment, Romney would be a disaster. Heck, for everybody in the world Romney would be a disaster. I think the windows comment was just a joke. The reporter who was interviewing him even said it was, when asked about it. Romney is not the stereotypical idiot conservative. That would be Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, etc. I think a lot of what he claims about how his tax cut would work, or balancing the budget without cutting the big programs we actually spend loads of money on, or NA energy independence, are a bunch if hooey. But he's really just doing the same thing he did to win the primary nomination -- saying the right combination of words to get people to vote for him. If he wins, then we'll know what his real ideas are (which, yes, should be concerning if you don't trust him or Congress).
suppose for a second that romney is actually a great guy, he knows whats best for the US and he also knows he just needs to parrot a bit for a while to get elected by the bible thumpers.
on that basis, you would vote for absolutely anyone, anyone at all. because you believe its ok to parrot on the national stage just to get elected, and only after that yell suprise and finally reveal your plans.
how can you use that logic to back romney over obama? you could make the exact same point, that obama is actually just a GOP candidate in disguise, waiting for his second term to reveal himself.
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On October 19 2012 05:09 Mysticesper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 05:01 Souma wrote:
THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE REPUBLICANS' PAST FOUR YEARS OF STONEWALLING. Until you understand that you are just another partisan hack.
Four years? Obama had a 59-41 democratic senate majority + 257-178 seat majority in the house for his first two years. Pretty sure they could pass almost anything they wanted in the first two years, but nothing happened because democrats themselves didn't blindly go with it either.
Obama never had a supermajority in the house (need 67%)
Obama had a supermajority in the senate from the time al franken was seated to the time Ted Kennedy died, if you count the independents as D. All of 7 weeks.
The nature of the situation also made it so that if any one D didn't vote for a bill it would never get passed and that one senator could just ask for all sorts of retarded shit in a futile attempt to keep their seat. I raged pretty hard at the "blue dog" democrats back then but I don't blame Obama for it.
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On October 19 2012 04:44 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in. Complains about how the internet users have their own little unchangeable world view .... Perpetrates stereotype like a boss without hesitation. Solid post.
Yeah, almost as solid as:
I feel like this thread is similar to the debates. The democrats or "liberals" present statistics and data or rather "arithmetic" and the republican users go "Nope, doesn'tt work that way! Didn't you hear romney or any of his studiesszzz, they say it works!". Democrats ask how and the republicans reply "Well he said it! he wouldn't lie!" What deductions the dems press "well durrr Obama is horrible look at his last 4 years!" and then the cycle continues of dodging any financial debate on Romneys currently flimsy at best plan.
"derrrr Obama HAS a tax plan even though it will bankrupt us at least he has one!!"
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as someone who's not living in america i have a very hard time understanding why someone would vote for Mitt Romney. What bothers me most , after watching the debates and following both candidates campaigns , i still don't get how Romney is going to lower the horrendous dept the USA has.
At least from what he said in his last two debates, he's not going to raise taxes on middle class, he's even lowering taxes on high and middle earning businesses, which means he'll even cut tax income, and he's not going to reduce his military spending, which means he'll probably increase the public debt.
He's often saying that he's going to create jobs, get the economy growing and cutting the USA debts this way, but because the deficit is already over 100% of the usa's GDP I highly doubt increasing your economy by 1% or 2% is doing more than just paying back the interests which are getting bigger and bigger.
Although the numbers of the last years aren't really speaking for obama , too, what he's saying at least makes some sense. Because cutting military spending and increasing taxes on high income people/businesses is a way to get some more money in. (and just btw, if you're shocked about paying 39% taxes, I'll suggest you a visit to France or Germany for some time)
And i also doubt that taking away some money from really big companies is going to increase the number of unemployed people, because at a certain point most money is going to be invested into the financial sector and not into more production or something that would create many jobs anyway. (atleaste from what i know)
Besides the huge tax and debt topic i don't really get where all that China hate comes from, generally i don't see foreign policies working really well with Mitt Romney. Although surprisingly for me that wasn't even a topic in all of the three discussions, here in germany , foreign policy most of the time seems to be an even bigger topic than everything else.
Which brings me to the question if international politics is really that irrelevant in america, because besides conflicts in the middle east no one really seems to talk about the topic, even Obama doesn't seem to use his good relations to the EU as an argument anywhere.
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On October 19 2012 05:33 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:44 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in. Complains about how the internet users have their own little unchangeable world view .... Perpetrates stereotype like a boss without hesitation. Solid post. Yeah, almost as solid as: Show nested quote +I feel like this thread is similar to the debates. The democrats or "liberals" present statistics and data or rather "arithmetic" and the republican users go "Nope, doesn'tt work that way! Didn't you hear romney or any of his studiesszzz, they say it works!". Democrats ask how and the republicans reply "Well he said it! he wouldn't lie!" What deductions the dems press "well durrr Obama is horrible look at his last 4 years!" and then the cycle continues of dodging any financial debate on Romneys currently flimsy at best plan. "derrrr Obama HAS a tax plan even though it will bankrupt us at least he has one!!"
I apologize but doesn't every graph show America coming out of the recession? In fact the only argument used by REP's on how Obama has acted is "to slow" but they don't argue that America is coming out, they just think they can do it quicker.
If Republicans think they can do it better, why not fucking say the plan? Who in the hell would vote for an imaginary plan where the creator won't explain the details over a plan that is actually getting America out of debt... Imagine walking over to an investors office and saying "this is what I'll do, you can't know how I'l get there give me this much money!" ... That is the sum of Romney's campaign.
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On October 19 2012 05:45 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 05:33 kmillz wrote:On October 19 2012 04:44 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in. Complains about how the internet users have their own little unchangeable world view .... Perpetrates stereotype like a boss without hesitation. Solid post. Yeah, almost as solid as: I feel like this thread is similar to the debates. The democrats or "liberals" present statistics and data or rather "arithmetic" and the republican users go "Nope, doesn'tt work that way! Didn't you hear romney or any of his studiesszzz, they say it works!". Democrats ask how and the republicans reply "Well he said it! he wouldn't lie!" What deductions the dems press "well durrr Obama is horrible look at his last 4 years!" and then the cycle continues of dodging any financial debate on Romneys currently flimsy at best plan. "derrrr Obama HAS a tax plan even though it will bankrupt us at least he has one!!" I apologize but doesn't every graph show America coming out of the recession? In fact the only argument used by REP's on how Obama has acted is "to slow" but they don't argue that America is coming out, they just think they can do it quicker. If Republicans think they can do it better, why not fucking say the plan? Who in the hell would vote for an imaginary plan where the creator won't explain the details over a plan that is actually getting America out of debt... Imagine walking over to an investors office and saying "this is what I'll do, you can't know how I'l get there give me this much money!" ... That is the sum of Romney's campaign.
Because I dislike Obama's policies more than I like Romney's (or lack-there-of).
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