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On October 19 2012 04:18 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:12 turdburgler wrote:On October 19 2012 04:04 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 03:53 oneofthem wrote:a main problem for obama is how republicans stonewall him in congress, with the intent of politicizing and taking advantage of the administration's "failure" to pass policies. this problem should lessen in the 2nd term, and obama is pretty keen on trading short term compromise for long term gain. it just so happens that compromises are pretty worthless to republicans nowadays and that threw a major wrench into his calculations, which is probably based on the history of a more civilized age. here's obama on his long term strategy http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/32914071836/the-obama-method Yes and no. Yes, Republicans stonewalled him. But no, I don't think that's going to lessen in a second term. It's not just a one-sided stonewalling. The Democrats have been just as unwilling to let Republicans have a say. thats not fair. the repubs are the one starting from the top of mount stupid on some issues (NO TAX RISES AT ALL) so when they give an inch in compromise, they are still on mount stupid, you cant have a dialogue with that. and secondly this past 4 years has seen more filibusters than ever before. they are considerably worse than any minority party in history. Yawn. Unimpressed. More filibusters does not equal more stonewalling. I know Democrats love that statistic as it "proves" their point. But it doesn't.
"We won't let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers" It's the thing with Republicans, they don't like numbers and fact. And reality.
That's also why they don't mind contradicting science everytime real world bothers them.
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On October 19 2012 04:18 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:12 turdburgler wrote:On October 19 2012 04:04 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 03:53 oneofthem wrote:a main problem for obama is how republicans stonewall him in congress, with the intent of politicizing and taking advantage of the administration's "failure" to pass policies. this problem should lessen in the 2nd term, and obama is pretty keen on trading short term compromise for long term gain. it just so happens that compromises are pretty worthless to republicans nowadays and that threw a major wrench into his calculations, which is probably based on the history of a more civilized age. here's obama on his long term strategy http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/32914071836/the-obama-method Yes and no. Yes, Republicans stonewalled him. But no, I don't think that's going to lessen in a second term. It's not just a one-sided stonewalling. The Democrats have been just as unwilling to let Republicans have a say. thats not fair. the repubs are the one starting from the top of mount stupid on some issues (NO TAX RISES AT ALL) so when they give an inch in compromise, they are still on mount stupid, you cant have a dialogue with that. and secondly this past 4 years has seen more filibusters than ever before. they are considerably worse than any minority party in history. Yawn. Unimpressed. More filibusters does not equal more stonewalling. I know Democrats love that statistic as it "proves" their point. But it doesn't.
so what does it mean then?
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On October 19 2012 04:28 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:18 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 04:12 turdburgler wrote:On October 19 2012 04:04 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 03:53 oneofthem wrote:a main problem for obama is how republicans stonewall him in congress, with the intent of politicizing and taking advantage of the administration's "failure" to pass policies. this problem should lessen in the 2nd term, and obama is pretty keen on trading short term compromise for long term gain. it just so happens that compromises are pretty worthless to republicans nowadays and that threw a major wrench into his calculations, which is probably based on the history of a more civilized age. here's obama on his long term strategy http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/32914071836/the-obama-method Yes and no. Yes, Republicans stonewalled him. But no, I don't think that's going to lessen in a second term. It's not just a one-sided stonewalling. The Democrats have been just as unwilling to let Republicans have a say. thats not fair. the repubs are the one starting from the top of mount stupid on some issues (NO TAX RISES AT ALL) so when they give an inch in compromise, they are still on mount stupid, you cant have a dialogue with that. and secondly this past 4 years has seen more filibusters than ever before. they are considerably worse than any minority party in history. Yawn. Unimpressed. More filibusters does not equal more stonewalling. I know Democrats love that statistic as it "proves" their point. But it doesn't. I'm sure there's a dandy good fucking reason for delaying low-level judicial appointments that had bipartisan support in committee.
If I'm not mistaken, there is a bi-partisan bill being worked on to prevent this type of situation in the future with such divided Congresses as of late.
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On October 19 2012 04:29 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:18 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 04:12 turdburgler wrote:On October 19 2012 04:04 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 03:53 oneofthem wrote:a main problem for obama is how republicans stonewall him in congress, with the intent of politicizing and taking advantage of the administration's "failure" to pass policies. this problem should lessen in the 2nd term, and obama is pretty keen on trading short term compromise for long term gain. it just so happens that compromises are pretty worthless to republicans nowadays and that threw a major wrench into his calculations, which is probably based on the history of a more civilized age. here's obama on his long term strategy http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/32914071836/the-obama-method Yes and no. Yes, Republicans stonewalled him. But no, I don't think that's going to lessen in a second term. It's not just a one-sided stonewalling. The Democrats have been just as unwilling to let Republicans have a say. thats not fair. the repubs are the one starting from the top of mount stupid on some issues (NO TAX RISES AT ALL) so when they give an inch in compromise, they are still on mount stupid, you cant have a dialogue with that. and secondly this past 4 years has seen more filibusters than ever before. they are considerably worse than any minority party in history. Yawn. Unimpressed. More filibusters does not equal more stonewalling. I know Democrats love that statistic as it "proves" their point. But it doesn't. so what does it mean then?
It's been growing since the 90s. Democrats set record filibusters the last time they were the minority party too.
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He wants to get rid of the estate tax which would make that particular loophole irrelevant.
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Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in.
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On October 19 2012 04:31 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:29 turdburgler wrote:On October 19 2012 04:18 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 04:12 turdburgler wrote:On October 19 2012 04:04 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 03:53 oneofthem wrote:a main problem for obama is how republicans stonewall him in congress, with the intent of politicizing and taking advantage of the administration's "failure" to pass policies. this problem should lessen in the 2nd term, and obama is pretty keen on trading short term compromise for long term gain. it just so happens that compromises are pretty worthless to republicans nowadays and that threw a major wrench into his calculations, which is probably based on the history of a more civilized age. here's obama on his long term strategy http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/32914071836/the-obama-method Yes and no. Yes, Republicans stonewalled him. But no, I don't think that's going to lessen in a second term. It's not just a one-sided stonewalling. The Democrats have been just as unwilling to let Republicans have a say. thats not fair. the repubs are the one starting from the top of mount stupid on some issues (NO TAX RISES AT ALL) so when they give an inch in compromise, they are still on mount stupid, you cant have a dialogue with that. and secondly this past 4 years has seen more filibusters than ever before. they are considerably worse than any minority party in history. Yawn. Unimpressed. More filibusters does not equal more stonewalling. I know Democrats love that statistic as it "proves" their point. But it doesn't. so what does it mean then? It's been growing since the 90s. Democrats set record filibusters the last time they were the minority party too.
doesnt refute what i said. filibusters are literally obstructionist in nature. they allow the minority to stop the majority. just because democrats had more than the 90s republicans doesnt make what i said less true. you are only defending the idea when it helps the republicans, when asked to explain yourself your reason is "well they started it".
make up your mind, its either not what i said it is, even though thats what it literally is.
or you only dont like it when you get called out on it.
On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
thats not true at all, sure they are the gaffs of the moment but supporters would show healthcare for all, ending the recession and restoring americas image on the world stage as work well done. GOP supporters keep using the term class warfare as if the left hate the rich. there are plenty of rich people on the left, all they are asking is that the rich in america pay the same rates or similar as they have in the past. right now the millionares in america pay lower tax rates than they have in a generation, for no benefit except to themselves. fair taxation is not class warfare, the rich are not being demonized.
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
black messiah? wow...
which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
any facts to back this up? pretty hard to argue with your 1 man anecdotal evidence.
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
this is basically a word for word parroting of what ryan said in the VP debate about 10 times, that somehow only obama is negative. this is just objectively not true, both parties have a lot of negative ads attacking each other. on the flipside, obama has listed his policies said what he wants to do. ive said before that i can understand the idea behind romneys tax plan, but if he refuses to give specifics on stuff how can he claim to be the positive one? if you literally wont tell people your ideas, how do you argue that you are running on ideas?
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
so let me guess this straight. news organisations, which may or may not have a liberal leaning such as CNN (kinda irrelevent) are being shitty at talking about the real issues, circle jerking about binders, and thats obamas fault? the media is shit these days, woo hoo. thats great, but its a real leap to actively blame CNNs pandering on obama.
if anything the fact they are willing to play low brow shit like 10 binders stories tells you that they are just copying FOX, which really is in the GOP pocket, not in the way you imply - that GOP voters tend to work at FOX, but in the literal sense ("I'm serious. THERE IS NO POINT TO YOU DOING YOUR SHOW. There is no point to us going to a convention and pushing for this man if he is employing morons like this", Ann Coulter, emphasis mine).
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably still the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
citation required
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
you make statements about othersyou have no information to back, but then in the same paragraph make equally stupid statements in the other direction
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in.
how exactly is free college any different to free high school or elementary? the government wants smart kids to take on high paying jobs that require a degree, and yet doesnt want to pay for it. no one would dream of tuition fee's for kids 5-18 and yet college is somehow different. you talk about class warfare but here is an example of the rich doing the same. if you set the bar of entry to higher education based on wealth you are going to hurt social mobility. sure anyone can get a loan but that doesnt always help. higher education is hard, fact. there is a chance you will fail, if you come from a poor background you cant afford to take that loan and then fail, even if your a smart kid can you bet your whole families lives on making it through college? where as richer people, sure maybe they still are taking a risk, but its not an all in situation.
no woman in any position of power is asking for more money than men, IF the pay gap is a myth you have nothing to fear right? they will investigate situations and put in new rules, but if theres no problem you get to be right without losing anything. saying its a myth doesnt help your position.
no one is asking for literally free health care, but in america you have a situation (completely self imposed) where millions die because you dont give a shit. if that doesnt make you feel bad then you must be a cold person. in the UK we have protests and debates every other week about the NHS, about funding, about choices, about efficiency. but literally no one is talking about getting rid of it. i cant argue with your opinion about how you care for your sick or elderly i just hope you dont ever find yourself in a situation where you cant see doctor because your currently unemployed or had a rough time recently, because that would be horrible.
you seem to be living in a strange bubble world with your views on social security. you dont think people deserve help, or second chances. you see 1 person abusing a system as an count on the whole system. the 47% remark was so horrible not because it represented a miscalculation on romneys part, but because he knew exactly what he was saying.
he was lumping in; millions of veterans, retired older people, young people who havent had a stable childhood, people in a rocky patch thanks to the recession, the mentally ill, all these people were equivalent in his mind to the few thousand people abusing the system each year for a free ride. but you think even more people than this are parasites? you think anyone who gets back more than they put in is a drain on your poor existance? for every rich JOB CREATOR there is 1 parasite? if you arent currently a millionare, paying in more in taxes than you take out in costs then you think of yourself a parasite.
fuck it, even if you are a billionaire right now, at 1 point you werent. at some point in the past you were poor, or young, or both and the government took money from others and invested in you. but now that youve got yours, now that youve taken more than you put in, fuck everyone else, fuck everyone for taking a bit.
you must be a cold person.
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On October 19 2012 04:08 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:04 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 03:53 oneofthem wrote:a main problem for obama is how republicans stonewall him in congress, with the intent of politicizing and taking advantage of the administration's "failure" to pass policies. this problem should lessen in the 2nd term, and obama is pretty keen on trading short term compromise for long term gain. it just so happens that compromises are pretty worthless to republicans nowadays and that threw a major wrench into his calculations, which is probably based on the history of a more civilized age. here's obama on his long term strategy http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/32914071836/the-obama-method Yes and no. Yes, Republicans stonewalled him. But no, I don't think that's going to lessen in a second term. It's not just a one-sided stonewalling. The Democrats have been just as unwilling to let Republicans have a say. Yeeaah, because Democrats are so petty that they drag down the judicial confirmation process. Stop it. Your comparison holds no weight. Both sides have hated each other throughout history, and both sides have impeded one another and will continue to do so. The past four years have been on an entirely different level, however, mainly through the efforts of a moronic Republican party.
How have the last 4 years been on an entirely different level? I am sincerely curious because I remember Republicans obstructing Clinton and Democrats obstructing Bush and I don't really see much difference between those eras and what we're seeing now. What exactly is it that makes you say this Republican congress is so different?
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On October 19 2012 04:37 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:31 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 04:29 turdburgler wrote:On October 19 2012 04:18 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 04:12 turdburgler wrote:On October 19 2012 04:04 BluePanther wrote:On October 19 2012 03:53 oneofthem wrote:a main problem for obama is how republicans stonewall him in congress, with the intent of politicizing and taking advantage of the administration's "failure" to pass policies. this problem should lessen in the 2nd term, and obama is pretty keen on trading short term compromise for long term gain. it just so happens that compromises are pretty worthless to republicans nowadays and that threw a major wrench into his calculations, which is probably based on the history of a more civilized age. here's obama on his long term strategy http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/32914071836/the-obama-method Yes and no. Yes, Republicans stonewalled him. But no, I don't think that's going to lessen in a second term. It's not just a one-sided stonewalling. The Democrats have been just as unwilling to let Republicans have a say. thats not fair. the repubs are the one starting from the top of mount stupid on some issues (NO TAX RISES AT ALL) so when they give an inch in compromise, they are still on mount stupid, you cant have a dialogue with that. and secondly this past 4 years has seen more filibusters than ever before. they are considerably worse than any minority party in history. Yawn. Unimpressed. More filibusters does not equal more stonewalling. I know Democrats love that statistic as it "proves" their point. But it doesn't. so what does it mean then? It's been growing since the 90s. Democrats set record filibusters the last time they were the minority party too. doesnt refute what i said. filibusters are literally obstructionist in nature. they allow the minority to stop the majority. just because democrats had more than the 90s republicans doesnt make what i said less true. you are only defending the idea when it helps the republicans, when asked to explain yourself your reason is "well they started it". make up your mind, its either not what i said it is, even though thats what it literally is. or you only dont like it when you get called out on it.
My argument isn't "they started it." Republicans started it in the 90s. My point is that you can't sit here and seriously claim the number shows that Republicans are "worse" because they set a record. The democrats set a record too. It's been spiraling out of control lately and I hate it. But your stance that it's the Republicans fault and Democrats are by no means innocent here is completely false. They were complicit in perpetuating it, and to sit back and point the finger now is complete hypocrisy.
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On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in.
Yep, this is about right.
I love hearing from all of you liberals in this thread about how Romney is a "nothing" and has no real plans for the future. Don't any of you understand that Obama was the most empty, vacuous presidential candidate in history? Don't you understand that his presidency has been empty and vacuous as well? Now, Obama is staking his campaign upon demonizing Romney while offering more of the same. That's a recipe for success!?
I've said this before, and I'm going to say it again now. Democrats and liberals should be pissed at Obama. In the space of four years, he has revived a dead and fading republican party, wrecked the democratic brand, lost Congress, and is about to lose the presidency. When exactly are y'all going to wake up and see the long term damage that Obama has done to the Democratic party?
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On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in.
Complains about how the internet users have their own little unchangeable world view
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Perpetrates stereotype like a boss without hesitation.
Solid post.
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On October 19 2012 04:28 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
I feel like this thread is similar to the debates. The democrats or "liberals" present statistics and data or rather "arithmetic" and the republican users go "Nope, doesn'tt work that way! Didn't you hear romney or any of his studiesszzz, they say it works!". Democrats ask how and the republicans reply "Well he said it! he wouldn't lie!" What deductions the dems press "well durrr Obama is horrible look at his last 4 years!" and then the cycle continues of dodging any financial debate on Romneys currently flimsy at best plan.
Isn't it odd though that there's all this focus on Romney and his plans? And so little talk about Obama's vision (if any) for the next 4 years?
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On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in.
You have a simplistic view of the world based on nothing but hearsay and you should feel bad for writing that. The fact that you believe that crap and simultaneously believe you're better than everyone is a nice example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
See I can ad-hominem too!
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hard working libertarians for romney.
a joke so bad it's only funny to economists
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On October 19 2012 04:44 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in. Yep, this is about right. I love hearing from all of you liberals in this thread about how Romney is a "nothing" and has no real plans for the future. Don't any of you understand that Obama was the most empty, vacuous presidential candidate in history? Don't you understand that his presidency has been empty and vacuous as well? Now, Obama is staking his campaign upon demonizing Romney while offering more of the same. That's a recipe for success!? I've said this before, and I'm going to say it again now. Democrats and liberals should be pissed at Obama. In the space of four years, he has revived a dead and fading republican party, wrecked the democratic brand, lost Congress, and is about to lose the presidency. When exactly are y'all going to wake up and see the long term damage that Obama has done to the Democratic party?
This post makes me sad. Policies and running the government is all about branding and little to do with the content it seems. It goes both ways of course.
Edit: Can someone point me to a concise resource (hopefully that isn't a humorous request) on this economic theory. People keep going on about this economic school of thought that if you disagree (Austrian?) you're an idiot. I'm feeling uninformed.
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On October 19 2012 04:48 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:44 xDaunt wrote:On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in. Yep, this is about right. I love hearing from all of you liberals in this thread about how Romney is a "nothing" and has no real plans for the future. Don't any of you understand that Obama was the most empty, vacuous presidential candidate in history? Don't you understand that his presidency has been empty and vacuous as well? Now, Obama is staking his campaign upon demonizing Romney while offering more of the same. That's a recipe for success!? I've said this before, and I'm going to say it again now. Democrats and liberals should be pissed at Obama. In the space of four years, he has revived a dead and fading republican party, wrecked the democratic brand, lost Congress, and is about to lose the presidency. When exactly are y'all going to wake up and see the long term damage that Obama has done to the Democratic party? This post makes me sad. Policies and running the government is all about branding and little to do with the content it seems. It goes both ways of course.
No, no no. Obama's failure's are strictly the result of the content and lack thereof of his administration.
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On October 19 2012 04:49 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 04:48 mordek wrote:On October 19 2012 04:44 xDaunt wrote:On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in. Yep, this is about right. I love hearing from all of you liberals in this thread about how Romney is a "nothing" and has no real plans for the future. Don't any of you understand that Obama was the most empty, vacuous presidential candidate in history? Don't you understand that his presidency has been empty and vacuous as well? Now, Obama is staking his campaign upon demonizing Romney while offering more of the same. That's a recipe for success!? I've said this before, and I'm going to say it again now. Democrats and liberals should be pissed at Obama. In the space of four years, he has revived a dead and fading republican party, wrecked the democratic brand, lost Congress, and is about to lose the presidency. When exactly are y'all going to wake up and see the long term damage that Obama has done to the Democratic party? This post makes me sad. Policies and running the government is all about branding and little to do with the content it seems. It goes both ways of course. No, no no. Obama's failure's are strictly the result of the content and lack thereof of his administration.
I mean its not really about the issues, its about either you're in this group or you're in that group. You have to fit that label. If someone critiques that brand it's an insult to everything that party stands for. That's the impression I get reading forums and facebook. It's a feeling, I'll admit.
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On October 19 2012 04:37 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama has had 4 years in office and his entire campaign and all his supporters have to offer at this point are binder, Big Bird, trying to scare women into voting for them on the basis of manufactured fake controversy, and standard class warfare (OMG the evilz rich!).
In 2008 you didn't hear any of that, it was all just this wishy washy "hope and change" I'm the black Messiash, give me a peace prize for showing up, etc.
In 2008 Obama was asking people to vote FOR him, which a lot of people did because he was nothing but a rorschach blot, people saw what they wanted to see).
His entire 2012 campaign is basically "Romney sucks, vote against him" which says a lot about his failed administration.
The media has been in the tank for Obama since day 1 and is going nuts right now. You go to CNN and the word "binders" appears on their front page TEN TIMES. There are 10 different "stories" trying to manufacture up a phony controversy.
Are the liberals so bankrupt on ideas and embarassed by the failure of Obama that's all they have at this point?
Obama may still win this thing, heck he's probably stil the favorite based on how the electoral college look, but you people supporting him are a disgrace.
Don't get me a wrong, Romney isn't that great, but you people are so obsessed with your Obamessiah.
It's not that suprising though, the vast majority TL is either young people who know nothing about how the world works and are duped into voting for what they think are hand outs (I'm all of 28 btw) or foreigners outside the US who are typically much further left than your average American and have been brainwashed their whole lives into thinking "Oh Americans who are Republicans? They are evil!" Your press is even more corrupt than the United States.
Thank God for the internet though, people still form their own little echo chambers where they convince themselves their world view is the only one, but the media's stranglehold on information has been crushed. Just today Newsweek announced they are basically dying.
Sorry for the long rambling stream of rants. I'm a very frustrated libertarian who views the world going to shit because everyone wants a handout.
Kids want free college, women think they deserve more money just for being women (the gender pay gap is a total myth btw), free health care, guaranteed jobs, etc.
Romney was wrong about 47% of people being parasites, the actual number is way higher.
When a host gets enough parasites it dies. America is f'ing bankrupt, we are playing shell games with fake numbers at this point, we are Enron.
The problem isn't taxes, it's spending. Romeny will spend a ton of money, Obama will spent a ton more, it's a sad situation we are in.
You're 28 ( not that old).
Romney might spend less money than Obama, but for what? More military? Really? Oh btw. you're voting for someone, who, with all seriousness asked, why the windows in airplanes won't open. You want someone that stupid as your president?
Have you americans learned nothing from Bush? Either you are really wealthy, or stupid.
For the environment, Romney would be a disaster. Heck, for everybody in the world Romney would be a disaster.
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