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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here. The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301 | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 19 2012 03:31 oneofthem wrote: i didn't know all those kids on tumblr are political operatives. curses! the vast conspiracy of meme creators. It's one thing to make a joke or meme about a clumsy turn of phrase. It's another to take that meme and try to turn it into a campaign issue. The Obama campaign isn't responsible for the former. It is responsible for the latter. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 19 2012 03:33 xDaunt wrote: It's one thing to make a joke or meme about a clumsy turn of phrase. It's another to take that meme and try to turn it into a campaign issue. The Obama campaign isn't responsible for the former. It is responsible for the latter. so the GOP isnt to blame for "we built it night" but obama is to blame for people pissing around on facebook? | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
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Zaqwert
United States411 Posts
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On October 19 2012 03:36 mordek wrote: I greatly dislike the two parties in American politics. What can someone do? Start a new party, call for political reform. Institute a multiparty system instead of a twoparty system. Combine that with serious regulations on money in politics in a new constitution (retaining most of the current one, but removing the supreme court and instituting the new constitution in a similar fashion as most other western countries (generally two elections and super majority to make any changes) - as it is now the supreme court is a political tool more or less outside voters control, without any real democratic control). And then, give it time. Edit: Of course constitution worship and a lack of wanting to face reality means this will not happen any time soon. Perhaps maybe never. In that case, though, I'm going to enjoy watching the US populace get continously shafted, as they are, by their system and those who operate within it. On a small sidenote the decline of the US as a superpower with the rise of China and the rest of Asia is going to be interesting, both in general and in regards to how the US (on both a populace and political level) decide to handle it. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 19 2012 03:46 Zaqwert wrote: The sad thing is almost everyone in this thread is a partisan hack. If you put a R next to Obama and a D next to Romney everyone's allegiances would magically change. Everyone cheers for their party like it's a football team. im such a partisan hack for wanting tax plans to "add up" and for women to not come in binders fuck me right? ;p | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On October 19 2012 03:00 ziggurat wrote: On a different note, the latest gallup poll shows Romney at 52% among likely voters to Obama's 45%. This is a pretty significant lead. I am starting to doubt that Obama is really the favorite anymore with polls like these. The only poll you should be watching is Ohio. Without Ohio Romney has a slim chance of winning, with it his odds increase dramatically. In the end it doesn't matter if its 50-46% for Romney, popular vote is useless. If Ohio +Wisconsin go Obama it's pretty much a done deal. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
this problem should lessen in the 2nd term, and obama is pretty keen on trading short term compromise for long term gain. it just so happens that compromises are pretty worthless to republicans nowadays and that threw a major wrench into his calculations, which is probably based on the history of a more civilized age. here's obama on his long term strategy http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/32914071836/the-obama-method | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On October 19 2012 03:46 Zaqwert wrote: The sad thing is almost everyone in this thread is a partisan hack. If you put a R next to Obama and a D next to Romney everyone's allegiances would magically change. Everyone cheers for their party like it's a football team. most people root for policies. i am just here for the show. the really interesting policies won't ever get passed anyway. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43767 Posts
On October 19 2012 03:55 oneofthem wrote: most people root for policies. i am just here for the show. the really interesting policies won't ever get passed anyway. Same here ^^ | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On October 19 2012 03:46 Zaqwert wrote: The sad thing is almost everyone in this thread is a partisan hack. If you put a R next to Obama and a D next to Romney everyone's allegiances would magically change. Everyone cheers for their party like it's a football team. Far from it. I was very outspoken against several candidates, such as Bachman, Perry, and Santorum. I would not at all be involved with those campaigns. Romney is a person I can stomach when you compare him with Obama. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On October 19 2012 03:53 oneofthem wrote: a main problem for obama is how republicans stonewall him in congress, with the intent of politicizing and taking advantage of the administration's "failure" to pass policies. this problem should lessen in the 2nd term, and obama is pretty keen on trading short term compromise for long term gain. it just so happens that compromises are pretty worthless to republicans nowadays and that threw a major wrench into his calculations, which is probably based on the history of a more civilized age. here's obama on his long term strategy http://krebscycle.tumblr.com/post/32914071836/the-obama-method Yes and no. Yes, Republicans stonewalled him. But no, I don't think that's going to lessen in a second term. It's not just a one-sided stonewalling. The Democrats have been just as unwilling to let Republicans have a say. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 19 2012 04:04 BluePanther wrote: Yes and no. Yes, Republicans stonewalled him. But no, I don't think that's going to lessen in a second term. It's not just a one-sided stonewalling. The Democrats have been just as unwilling to let Republicans have a say. Yeeaah, because Democrats are so petty that they drag down the judicial confirmation process. Stop it. Your comparison holds no weight. Both sides have hated each other throughout history, and both sides have impeded one another and will continue to do so. The past four years have been on an entirely different level, however, mainly through the efforts of a moronic Republican party. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
http://econospeak.blogspot.com/2012/10/what-was-value-of-doubleclick-when.html but i mean, probably no. not when you can just invest offshore rofl | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On October 19 2012 03:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm not talking about the Obama campaign or anything like that. I didn't hear this from them. As an educator, I thought about this in retrospect (as AA is a popular topic when it comes to education). Please respond to my comment directly (or not at all), but please don't change the subject  I'm pointing out that when Romney was asked the question of how he would help increase gender equality for women, he basically said, "Here's an example where I employed affirmative action to benefit some women". He noted that all of the top and most qualified candidates were men, but instead he asked for (binders full of) women just so he could elect them and have a large percentage of females in his cabinet (I believe he said the highest out of any state). Whether that was a political play or he truly cares for gender equality, it's still affirmative action. Or am I really reading this wrong? It depends if you think that the women that were hired were less qualified than the men. If the women were just as qualified, and I haven't heard anyone suggest that they weren't, then no, it was not affirmative action. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 19 2012 04:04 BluePanther wrote: Yes and no. Yes, Republicans stonewalled him. But no, I don't think that's going to lessen in a second term. It's not just a one-sided stonewalling. The Democrats have been just as unwilling to let Republicans have a say. thats not fair. the repubs are the one starting from the top of mount stupid on some issues (NO TAX RISES AT ALL) so when they give an inch in compromise, they are still on mount stupid, you cant have a dialogue with that. and secondly this past 4 years has seen more filibusters than ever before. they are considerably worse than any minority party in history. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On October 19 2012 04:11 JonnyBNoHo wrote: it's actually politics. It depends if you think that the women that were hired were less qualified than the men. If the women were just as qualified, and I haven't heard anyone suggest that they weren't, then no, it was not affirmative action. some women's groups brought it to romney's attention that there were no women in his ship and provided the folders. it would be pretty costly if an issue is made of this. so there was no issue. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On October 19 2012 04:12 turdburgler wrote: thats not fair. the repubs are the one starting from the top of mount stupid on some issues (NO TAX RISES AT ALL) so when they give an inch in compromise, they are still on mount stupid, you cant have a dialogue with that. and secondly this past 4 years has seen more filibusters than ever before. they are considerably worse than any minority party in history. Yawn. Unimpressed. More filibusters does not equal more stonewalling. I know Democrats love that statistic as it "proves" their point. But it doesn't. | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On October 19 2012 04:18 BluePanther wrote: Yawn. Unimpressed. More filibusters does not equal more stonewalling. I know Democrats love that statistic as it "proves" their point. But it doesn't. I'm sure there's a dandy good fucking reason for delaying low-level judicial appointments that had bipartisan support in committee. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
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