EPThehe, the rampaging elephant on the world stage has returned
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
hehe, the rampaging elephant on the world stage has returned | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
For example, it's not hard to see why a culture that believes women should be subservient and not involved in business might not be as economically sucessful as one that does, all other factors the same. We just have to be careful on what we label as culture, and what culture it is that influences policy. Christianity and Hinduism are generally different in regards to culture, but if both are represented individually in two seperate impovershed countries, the "culture" of those countries might be incredibly similar. | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On August 01 2012 06:35 DamnCats wrote: Again, this argument seems moot to me. Regardless of where on the spectrum Palestine is between "breathtakingly free to pursue ones dreams" and "crushed under the heel of a tyrannical Israel" it seems to me that Romney is just a very bad diplomat. Even if his claims are 100 percent true do you think peace is going to ever be achieved if one of the first things out of your mouth on the subject is a comparison (with one being implicated as clearly superior) of the two cultures? Even more hilariously is the next thing out of his mouth is "I did't compare the cultures". Bull shit. Romney sucks. Spot on. Though I still have no idea whether Romney is actually this clueless (it's hard to believe, because he did a pretty good job as MA governor and with the Olympics, and he remained focused on the long-term and in control of the Republican primaries), or just trying to act the way he thinks the hardline conservatives/Tea Party want him to act. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 01 2012 06:23 DoubleReed wrote: Dude, you can't just be like "yea, these two groups were discriminated against really viciously so it's pretty much the same." That's idiotic. You think as a Jew I'm gonna go up to a black guy and start comparing the holocaust to slavery? That's offensive and abhorrent to both parties. Oh wait, you just want to start a shitstorm with your young adult white male mentality. Troll. Oh please. The Holocaust is its own animal for obvious reasons. However, there are a bunch of similarities between the Asian and Black experiences in the US. Please educate yourself: http://www.zakkeith.com/articles,blogs,forums/anti-Chinese-persecution-in-the-USA-history-timeline.htm Pay particular attention to the lengthy timeline. Obviously I haven't fact-checked everything on there, but it generally fits my historical understanding of the Asian-American experience. EDIT: And since you brought it up, let's talk about the Jews. They have been shit on in every way imaginable for 3000 years. They've been discriminated against, enslaved, expelled, and exterminated at various points during their history by a variety of different cultures and peoples. All those traumatic experiences sure haven't stopped the Jews from being very successful economically as a people. Why do you think that is? | ||
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WhiteDog
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 31 2012 20:56 Silidons wrote: my buddy showed me this website called www.isidewith.com (sorry if it's been posted here did a google search with +teamliquid on it and i couldn't find anything) and i got 84% jill stein haha it'd be cool to maybe post results here I align with Gary Johnson 82%, which is funny, because that's who I was going to vote for if the Republican candidate wasn't forcing me to vote Obama. Edit: + Show Spoiler + On July 31 2012 15:20 Risen wrote: So you're fine with withholding rights from gays, misleading the public intentionally and sabotaging things intentionally then painting their sabotage as the other party's failure? I am fiscally conservative and I use common sense for my social viewpoints. I will never vote Republican, the party that should be my party, because of how bigoted and snakelike they are. If you vote Republican you're saying you value money more than equal rights, something I can't get behind. That's why I say any Republican is a selfish prick. You're voting to keep others oppressed, so fuck you. I hate most Democratic economic policies, but I hate lying pieces of shit more, so I'm forced to vote for third party candidates and Democrats. THAT is why I can't stand people like xDaunt. Edit: What it comes down to for me is that Republicans show their real worth by holding other people back. They're not good enough to succeed on their own without holding other people down. No response from xDaunt on this? Didn't think there would be since there is no defending oneself against issues like this, but I thought at least he'd try. (I'm assuming he's going to be voting Republican and not Democrat in the upcoming election. If he's going to be voting Libertarian I take back all the mean nasty feelings I have for him) | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On August 01 2012 06:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Sided with Gary Johnson 84% and Ron Paul 81% Anyone else encountering random Ron Paul bias in that program? It recommended Paul to me, especially because of his foreign policy (the website said), and my answers on the foreign policy options were pretty much the exact opposite of what Paul wants. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On August 01 2012 06:59 Derez wrote: Anyone else encountering random Ron Paul bias in that program? It recommended Paul to me, especially because of his foreign policy (the website said), and my answers on the foreign policy options were pretty much the exact opposite of what Paul wants. Not for me, I'm 82% Gary and 61% Paul. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
WARSAW, Poland—Mitt Romney insisted Tuesday he was not specifically talking about Palestinian culture at a fundraiser in Israel on Monday when he was quoted suggesting culture was the reason for the economic disparity between Israel and the Palestinian territories. "That's an interesting topic that deserves scholarly analysis, but I actually didn't address that," Romney told Fox News' Carl Cameron, adding he didn't "intend" to talk about the subject in his campaign. "Instead, I will point out … that the choices a society makes have a profound impact on the economy and vitality of that society." Palestinian officials accused Romney of making "racist" statements after the Republican candidate was quoted comparing Israel's economy with that of the Palestinian territories. Source | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck... | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
Pretty unspectacular result. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
And yeah, it's incredibly Paul biased. He shouldn't even be on there. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 01 2012 06:48 Risen wrote: No response from xDaunt on this? Didn't think there would be since there is no defending oneself against issues like this, but I thought at least he'd try. (I'm assuming he's going to be voting Republican and not Democrat in the upcoming election. If he's going to be voting Libertarian I take back all the mean nasty feelings I have for him) I have a "newish" policy against responding to flamebait posts like those. It goes without saying that I think that what you said is fucking stupid. I'm sure that everyone here knows that I think that, so I'd rather not waste time and drag this thread into the mud. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On August 01 2012 05:44 Derez wrote: Cultural explanations are not taken very seriously in academic circles because there's no empirical evidence for them, even Weber's original formulation got disproven a few years back. In modern economic thinking, the much more relevant influence is the influence of economic circumstances on culture. To take use an obvious example: time is only relevant if you have somewhere to be at set hours, which is why watches are still uncommon in rural africa. Once a country starts developing economically, its culture automatically becomes more aligned with 'efficiency' or whatever term you want to use. The germans were once considered the laziest people in europe. The same went for americans, fins, irish, asians and pretty much every other nation that was once poor but is now rich. The reason the middle east is poorer than Israel is not because their culture impairs them, its because their own political structure and economic system do. Corruption, nepotism, state control over the most profitable sectors, you name it. Even in the 'tolerance' story, I'm not sure if tolerance creates economic succes or the economic succes creates tolerance. He makes that claim in the last sentence of his article, but offers no proof for the direction of the causal relation. I don't mean to say that there's no influence of culture on economics, but its minimal compared to the influence the other way around. Otherwise Germans, Americans, Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese would still have to be lazy and be in dire economic situations. There's no way that culture isn't a factor. It may not be the main factor, but when it comes to economic development there is never just one main factor that overrides all others. Culture plays a huge role in creating the societal structures that underpin a society, which, absolutely matter. A specific example would be that in many Islamic countries it is illegal to pay interest. That has a huge impact on finance. Places like Dubai have recently worked around that with Sukuk bonds and they've been able to do quite a bit because of that. But it is a cultural choice - do you follow Islamic law strictly or not? - and with that choice comes economic consequences. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On August 01 2012 07:17 xDaunt wrote: I have a "newish" policy against responding to flamebait posts like those. It goes without saying that I think that what you said is fucking stupid. I'm sure that everyone here knows that I think that, so I'd rather not waste time and drag this thread into the mud. What do you disagree with in my post? | ||
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