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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On November 03 2012 18:19 Defacer wrote: Anyone who's looked at Romney's campaign the last four years (yes, he has been angling for this job for four fucking years now) and compared it to Obama's campaign the past year and a half would vote for Obama in a heart beat. You'd have to be a willful idiot to vote for Romney. He's ran the most insincere, pandering, cynical and opaque campaign that I've ever witnessed. Kerry's campaign was pretty bad too. MA politics turns decent candidates into cynical bastards... apparently... Hopefully Deval Patrick rises above that in '16. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-29/romney-avoids-taxes-via-loophole-cutting-mormon-donations.html | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On November 03 2012 18:40 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Kerry's campaign was pretty bad too. MA politics turns decent candidates into cynical bastards... apparently... Hopefully Deval Patrick rises above that in '16. Moderate Romney could have won this year. Flip-Flopping Romney or Severe Conservative 47% Romney ... no dice. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On November 03 2012 18:42 Defacer wrote: Moderate Romney could have won this year. Flip-Flopping Romney or Severe Conservative 47% Romney ... no dice. Nail on head. ![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ksrIL8XiVM0/T7xhp6WIKEI/AAAAAAAAADY/9nbWiv6QtdQ/s1600/hammer.jpg) Edit 2: zomagoo! sry for lage file size! | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On November 03 2012 18:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Nail on head. Edit 2: zomagoo! sry for lage file size! So you think its over? Obama wins? I am leaning towards 70% Obama wins, but I'm not throwing in the towel quite yet.. | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
On November 03 2012 18:40 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Kerry's campaign was pretty bad too. MA politics turns decent candidates into cynical bastards... apparently... Hopefully Deval Patrick rises above that in '16. I miss having a choice between two candidates who matter. This election feels more like the lesser of two evils - Romney is terrible but Obama stirs up such hatred that I'm not sure he can get anything done, even if Congress changes. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On November 03 2012 19:19 Sanctimonius wrote: I miss having a choice between two candidates who matter. This election feels more like the lesser of two evils - Romney is terrible but Obama stirs up such hatred that I'm not sure he can get anything done, even if Congress changes. This kind of hilarious logic is how the GOP gets away with their shenanigans. GOP plays the "nice country you got there, it should be a shame if something happened to it" card to get what they want, blocking up everything that would benefit the country so they can win back the White House. It blows my mind that there are people who blame Obama for not being able to get anything done. If Romney wins this campaign I think the implications on American politics would be catastrophic. Every time the Republicans lose they'd go back to screwing their country to win elections. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On November 03 2012 19:11 kmillz wrote: So you think its over? Obama wins? I am leaning towards 70% Obama wins, but I'm not throwing in the towel quite yet.. Ppppfff........ its easy to assume a liberal wins when you live in a land of liberals. | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
On November 03 2012 19:34 Feartheguru wrote: This kind of hilarious logic is how the GOP gets away with their shenanigans. GOP plays the "nice country you got there, it should be a shame if something happened to it" card to get what they want, blocking up everything that would benefit the country so they can win back the White House. It blows my mind that there are people who blame Obama for not being able to get anything done. If Romney wins this campaign I think the implications on American politics would be catastrophic. Every time the Republicans lose they'd go back to screwing their country to win elections. My point exactly. Obama will have the Republicans blocking him at every turn for the sheer sin of being Obama. He could come up with the best ideas in the world and they would shoot it down, them blame him for it failing. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On November 03 2012 19:54 Sanctimonius wrote: My point exactly. Obama will have the Republicans blocking him at every turn for the sheer sin of being Obama. He could come up with the best ideas in the world and they would shoot it down, them blame him for it failing. So you think the solution is to give in to that kind of cynicism? The only solution is for Americans to smarten up and not elect a Republican until they move away from the extreme. | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
On November 03 2012 19:58 Feartheguru wrote: So you think the solution is to give in to that kind of cynicism? The only solution is for Americans to smarten up and not elect a Republican until they move away from the extreme. I think the solution would be to harness the lowest approval ratings for Congress and get Democrats elected who will support Obama and actually get something done. Hopefully that's exactly what they do, though maybe there will be another backlash against an Obama presidency and we get another round of precisely dick from a filibuster-happy Congress. I would also add that even with such pathetic tactics from the Republican party they still enjoy some support from a sizeable chuck of the US population. That isn't just going to go away, and it will take a fair few years for them to properly reform as a legitimate party who are willing to actually work for the future of the country rather than sit and sulk in the corner. | ||
KwarK
United States42750 Posts
On November 03 2012 19:39 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Ppppfff........ its easy to assume a liberal wins when you live in a land of liberals. More like it's easy to assume the guy who is ahead in all the key swing states will win some of the key swing states and it looks like that's all he'll need. Liberals aren't detached from reality, they just look at the polls (which happen to be real) and make a judgement. | ||
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ControlMonkey
Australia3109 Posts
On November 03 2012 20:12 KwarK wrote: More like it's easy to assume the guy who is ahead in all the key swing states will win some of the key swing states and it looks like that's all he'll need. Liberals aren't detached from reality, they just look at the polls (which happen to be real) and make a judgement. Reality has a well known liberal bias. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On November 03 2012 18:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Nail on head. + Show Spoiler + Edit 2: zomagoo! sry for lage file size! Well, the reason why Romney went from moderate to severe conservative back to mostly moderate (although no one can really tell) is because he had to go very right-wing in order to win the Republican primary. And the reason for that is because Republicans have shifted so far to the right. They reject ever increasing taxes, even a deal with 10 to 1 spending cuts to tax hikes, they filibustered everything including routine political appointees. The point is, you might have wanted a more moderate Romney, but the reason he isn't is because the Republicans have become a far right party. For that, they don't deserve to get elected. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On November 03 2012 18:34 Voltaire wrote: I think Hurricane Sandy might have thrown this in the bag for Obama Things still look a bit desperate in New York. A lot of news reports about chronic gas shortages (although Obama has order more deliveries), about Staten Island being forgotten, and about it being very cold. It's nowhere near as bad as Katrina, with mass looting and general neglect, but I'm surprised it seems to have helped Obama's chances. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
I think people forget that Congressmen and Politicians are incredibly easily scared, so a turnout where the Republicans get ousted will almost certainly make them more compromising. Otherwise, they're going to be out of a job in 2-4 years. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Obama is slowly turning the usa into a european welfare state kind of thing and that would just be to much for the world to handle. We do need one nation wich is optimistic and believe things will turn out ok against all odds, we need one nation where the people work hard, are truly free and believe the impossible is possible. The true american spirit is alive in romney, not in obama! Dont let the strong points of the usa go to waste and dont let the usa turn into the same overregulated welfare economy we have here in europe. Romney is a good moderate guy, hes no hawk like bush or reagan (no clue why americans today see reagan as one of their greatest presidents btw, they must not have lived in that era i guess) He will compromise and act bipartisan, while keeping the american spirit alive and not selling out to the socialists. Lots of things wich are said now are said just to satisfy the right wing republicans but this is not how he will run his precidency. Just look at how he handled things in his home state massachusets (wich btw has the best education of the usa as i learned in this thread lol). He realy is the better candidate. O well, this wont help but at least i tried  I expect obama to win with 95% certainty. | ||
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RetroAspect
Belgium219 Posts
Anyway, fingers crossed he wins the election, and even more crossed that the 2014 midterms get a democrat majority. In fact, Obama should be able to get a third and a fourth term, like FDR | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 03 2012 21:24 paralleluniverse wrote: Well, the reason why Romney went from moderate to severe conservative back to mostly moderate (although no one can really tell) is because he had to go very right-wing in order to win the Republican primary. And the reason for that is because Republicans have shifted so far to the right. They reject ever increasing taxes, even a deal with 10 to 1 spending cuts to tax hikes, they filibustered everything including routine political appointees. The point is, you might have wanted a more moderate Romney, but the reason he isn't is because the Republicans have become a far right party. For that, they don't deserve to get elected. Sorta. Yes, if he had played the moderate card similar to how McCain did it, he wouldn't have a chance right now. His base would abandon him, the Tea Party wouldn't be a huge campaigning base (would begrudgingly cast a vote against Obama, less active campaigning), and the blogosphere would whine even as the beltway Republicans would rejoice. If only we could work out a deal with a majority of spending cuts and a minority of tax increases (and whatever loophole closures you can find congressional support for). Let me tell you why conservatives are all sour on it. We see time and time again the compromise being 0% of what we want and 50% of what they wanted. Period. They'll free some budget increases, call it a spending cut, and the moderates go home with smiles on their face. Spending continues to increase while most everybody on Capitol Hill feels pretty good about themselves. Spending got us into this mess and the only thing that will eventually check it is the threat of default in spending more than what we take in. Give Washington another million in revenue and they'll spend another billion. Try to understand that it isn't a buncha dumb conservatives pushing the party to the far right in a stupid crusade. The goal is a drastically reduced size of government, both in its purvey and in its bulk spending. Spending bandaids with punitive taxation is not part of the agenda, and is seen as a step backward. Caving on a firm line on tax increases (Read My Lips: No New Taxes got one recent Republican in the White House, but see how long that lasted) invites repeated tax and spend in American politics. Call it a pipe dream or bad policy, but understand the perspective of the other side, the purportedly far right, which might've been centrists in the days of Kennedy and Nixon. Yank the center left, label your ideological opponents the "far right," and see how many will fall in line. -- Obama clings to slight leads in battleground states that he needs to win. He has a better chance at victory statistically right now. But it's still anyone's ballgame, no handful of swing states hold a comfortable lead for him to count on. Plenty of hope still left. Romney is a good moderate guy, hes no hawk like bush or reagan (no clue why americans today see reagan as one of their greatest presidents btw, they must not have lived in that era i guess) He will compromise and act bipartisan, while keeping the american spirit alive and not selling out to the socialists. Lots of things wich are said now are said just to satisfy the right wing republicans but this is not how he will run his precidency. Just look at how he handled things in his home state massachusets (wich btw has the best education of the usa as i learned in this thread lol). He realy is the better candidate. O well, this wont help but at least i tried You must be the one guy in the Netherlands that thinks Romney is making a righteous stand against socialism haha. More power to you. Truthfully, the biggest Reagan lovers were those that lived through his period. Where he unabashedly took his stand against Communism and Muslim extremism. His tax cuts were legend, launching the United States into a period of growth that Clinton would later try to take credit for. And the man spoke what he believed, straight [strike]far right propaganda[/strike] conservative principles that you could bank on. Romney was a businessman, so I can at least hope that his ties to that style of leadership will be stronger than the Washington politics drag to the left that has ruined so many on ascent to the White House, Congress, or even the Supreme Court. He would make a fine 45th pres of the US. | ||
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