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On November 03 2012 14:51 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 14:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 03 2012 14:44 Souma wrote:On November 03 2012 14:39 BluePanther wrote:On November 03 2012 14:00 Souma wrote:On November 03 2012 13:57 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 03 2012 13:55 Souma wrote:On November 03 2012 13:53 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 03 2012 13:51 Souma wrote:On November 03 2012 13:23 JonnyBNoHo wrote:[quote] 1) I hate Forbes  I'll agree that the $1B 'average R&D cost' is a silly number. 2) This is a tough point. At some level costs play a role, but on another level R&D is strictly a sunk cost. Without knowing how drug companies typically treat it I have to say that either of us could be right. 3) True with respect to variable drug pricing vs rather fixed ticket pricing, though here's where I'm coming from. Granted this data is old (from a case study)... + Show Spoiler +So with some drugs you make a boatload, but for the most part you get boned. Edit: I also did a case study involving contact lenses for chickens good times.. good times... Okay, before I respond, I just have to say... contact lenses for chickens? what the o_O2) Well, like I said, I assume it varies from company to company so both of us could be right. But I like to think that the ones raking in obscene profits are devils and so I do not give them the benefit of the doubt. :D And, yeah, it is said that actually most drugs are failures/unprofitable but those costs are also factored in (and they get tax breaks for the research anyway. The average big pharma company pays an obscenely low effective tax rate). I saw that Obamacare has a provision that will start allowing certain generics into the market. Let's see how it affects everything (including the attitudes/practices of big pharma). Welcome to my world... What IS your world? I know nothing about you Jonny! You're a mystery shrouded in text. :S I know, we need a TL election 2012 barcraft! It would either be very awkward with a bunch of nerds not saying anything or very rowdy and would ensue in bar fights, of which I would have to hide from because I know you conservatives have a lot of veterans backing you. :d I'm actually quite charming in person, tyvm. I'm very charm-proof unless you look like Kristen Bell. :d Edit: I must say, Democrats are doing a poor job advertising. I've been seeing Romney and Michelle Bachmann ads on TeamLiquid but no Democrats. You sound high maintenance  Nah, Republicans just can't handle this jelly. ;p
I... I have no answer, gg wp!
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538's predictions just ticked up another bit for Obama... He's regained almost all ground since the first debate.
To be honest I didn't think anything would change from the last debate till now.
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On November 03 2012 15:04 Souma wrote:
538's predictions just ticked up another bit for Obama... He's regained almost all ground since the first debate.
To be honest I didn't think anything would change from the last debate till now.
Really, how awesome would it be if Romney lost and looked the camera dead in the eye and said "GG Mr. President, GG."
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On November 03 2012 15:04 Souma wrote:
538's predictions just ticked up another bit for Obama... He's regained almost all ground since the first debate.
To be honest I didn't think anything would change from the last debate till now.
If the polls (especially state polls) keep trending the way they are, 538 will be giving him over 90% odds on election day. I don't think that's realistic odds, but it is what these state polls are showing.
This could be wrong but it feels like in the aftermath of Sandy, Obama has gained a point or two.
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On November 03 2012 15:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 15:04 Souma wrote:
538's predictions just ticked up another bit for Obama... He's regained almost all ground since the first debate.
To be honest I didn't think anything would change from the last debate till now. Really, how awesome would it be if Romney lost and looked the camera dead in the eye and said "GG Mr. President, GG."
As long as he lights a pipe in front of a fireplace as he says it.
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On November 03 2012 15:17 Signet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 15:04 Souma wrote:
538's predictions just ticked up another bit for Obama... He's regained almost all ground since the first debate.
To be honest I didn't think anything would change from the last debate till now. If the polls (especially state polls) keep trending the way they are, 538 will be giving him over 90% odds on election day. I don't think that's realistic odds, but it is what these state polls are showing.
It all comes down to Ohio. I ran through every likely scenario (likely as in we're 95% sure all those states will fall that way, and you're left with Ohio as the one that makes the difference.
AZ, NC will go for Romney (for sake of argument, give him CO, FL)
MI, PA, NV, NM, IA, WI are going for Obama (for sake of argument give him NH, IA)
This leaves VA and OH. Romney needs both to win. He has a very good shot at taking VA, but he's down like 4 points in OH. I'm not sure he can make that up. And without OH, he can't simply win with one of the very likely Obama states, but he must get TWO. Which is basically not going to happen. It revolves around Ohio. Obama can win without Ohio, Romney can't. Although as goes Ohio, so goes the nation this time around (as much as I hate that saying).
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On November 03 2012 15:17 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 15:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 03 2012 15:04 Souma wrote:
538's predictions just ticked up another bit for Obama... He's regained almost all ground since the first debate.
To be honest I didn't think anything would change from the last debate till now. Really, how awesome would it be if Romney lost and looked the camera dead in the eye and said "GG Mr. President, GG." As long as he lights a pipe in front of a fireplace as he says it.
Lol perhaps with a smoking coat and a glass of wine?
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GG Sir, well played indeed!
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On November 03 2012 15:17 Signet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 15:04 Souma wrote:
538's predictions just ticked up another bit for Obama... He's regained almost all ground since the first debate.
To be honest I didn't think anything would change from the last debate till now. If the polls (especially state polls) keep trending the way they are, 538 will be giving him over 90% odds on election day. I don't think that's realistic odds, but it is what these state polls are showing. This could be wrong but it feels like in the aftermath of Sandy, Obama has gained a point or two.
I think that Jeep thing really did a number on Romney in Ohio.
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On November 03 2012 15:19 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 15:17 BluePanther wrote:On November 03 2012 15:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 03 2012 15:04 Souma wrote:
538's predictions just ticked up another bit for Obama... He's regained almost all ground since the first debate.
To be honest I didn't think anything would change from the last debate till now. Really, how awesome would it be if Romney lost and looked the camera dead in the eye and said "GG Mr. President, GG." As long as he lights a pipe in front of a fireplace as he says it. Lol perhaps with a smoking coat and a glass of wine? GG Sir, well played indeed!
The concession phone call:
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and everyone knows it must be Brandy in a snifter.
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This seems over to me. Romney knew he was sunk and made a last ditch effort for Ohio with blatant b.s. and got called out for it. Now he's hoping for a divine miracle to get Pennsylvania.
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On November 03 2012 15:27 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 15:19 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 03 2012 15:17 BluePanther wrote:On November 03 2012 15:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 03 2012 15:04 Souma wrote:
538's predictions just ticked up another bit for Obama... He's regained almost all ground since the first debate.
To be honest I didn't think anything would change from the last debate till now. Really, how awesome would it be if Romney lost and looked the camera dead in the eye and said "GG Mr. President, GG." As long as he lights a pipe in front of a fireplace as he says it. Lol perhaps with a smoking coat and a glass of wine? GG Sir, well played indeed! The concession phone call: and everyone knows it must be Brandy in a snifter.
Warm ale in a cask can be pretty pretentious as well.
Edit: In this context, pretentiousness is a bad thing.
Edit 2: That is to say, warm beer is a fool's errand...
Edit 3: Hops FTW!! and 4v4 HOTS widow mines = can't fucking wait!!!
Edit 4: Diablo 3 banner ads.. whaaaaa/1/1/1/1111!/1/1/1/1/1/1///1/2//1/11/???????
Edit 5: #morning regrets...
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Yah its pretty much baked for Obama now. Conservatives have already started freak out in a lot of blogs and TV slots.
Interesting how Obama has a slightly better chance of carrying NC than Romney does of winning Ohio. That seems strange when you reflect on how the election media has covered it so far.
A few weeks ago VA was leaning Romney but I predicted here that VA would go blue because the democratic turnout would be huge here. They are really pissed and motivated because this state started all the Womens Healthcare issues that was fuel for the Obama Campaign. Now VA has a polling advantage to go along with a very likely turnout advantage for Obama. Losing this ruins a few paths to 270 for Romney. Even known right leaning pollsters are saying there is an Obama advantage here.
Florida support has eroded quite rapidly for Romney in the last week and its back to a true coin flip. If Romney loses Florida, he would have to win everything else and that's just not going to happen. Basically, Romney would have to win a coin flip at the start just to play a losing hand.
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I've said this before on a forum: If Obama is reelected I will have lost faith in the average American voter. Anyone who's look at Romney's great record and looked at Obama's abysmal record will vote for Romney.
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Or anyone who sees the dogshit Obama inherited and seen growth in the economy out of step with the rest of the world being stuck, a foreign policy that is hit and miss yet still making the US popular abroad instead of pissing off every country he visited, and a real attempt to fix the travesty that is the healthcare system, and compare that to a man who shipped jobs abroad to China, is a good businessman but has no idea about national economics, changes his policies depending on who he is talking to and a man who is criticising a healthcare plan he created the successful blueprint for, might just vote Obama.
Terrible sentence structure, but I don't care. There are good reasons to vote Obama, and I'm sure there are good ones to vote Romney. I just cannot understand why so many people refuse to recognise the impossible job Obama was handed and the amazing obstructionism he's faced from a strangely hostile Republican party. Half the time they seem to oppose his suggestions out of principle.
Anyways - got sent an email from the CEO today suggesting who I should vote for today. Really pissed me off, but I guess it's legal in this country?
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On November 03 2012 15:17 Signet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 15:04 Souma wrote:
538's predictions just ticked up another bit for Obama... He's regained almost all ground since the first debate.
To be honest I didn't think anything would change from the last debate till now. If the polls (especially state polls) keep trending the way they are, 538 will be giving him over 90% odds on election day. I don't think that's realistic odds, but it is what these state polls are showing. This could be wrong but it feels like in the aftermath of Sandy, Obama has gained a point or two.
Odds are odds. It's hard to win a basketball game for instance, if your down 13 points with less than 90 secs to go. But it has happened.
I'm just hoping for Obama dunks this motherfucker.
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On November 03 2012 17:43 Darknat wrote:
I've said this before on a forum: If Obama is reelected I will have lost faith in the average American voter. Anyone who's look at Romney's great record and looked at Obama's abysmal record will vote for Romney.
Romney = mediocre.
Obama = left wing nut (going off of senator voting record here) who stood up to the challenge as best a nut could.
Whatever, the best of us survive no matter what.
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On November 03 2012 17:43 Darknat wrote:
I've said this before on a forum: If Obama is reelected I will have lost faith in the average American voter. Anyone who's look at Romney's great record and looked at Obama's abysmal record will vote for Romney.
This is the type of hyper partisanship shat has no place on the national stage. A person being ideologically opposed to you does not make them and idiot. This goes for liberals and conservatives.
There are legitimate reasons to fall on either side of the fence ideologically, we just have to make sure that our leaders are following those legitimate reasons to their conclusions instead of being blank slate puppet shills for the party line.
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On November 03 2012 17:43 Darknat wrote:
I've said this before on a forum: If Obama is reelected I will have lost faith in the average American voter. Anyone who's look at Romney's great record and looked at Obama's abysmal record will vote for Romney.
Anyone who's looked at Romney's campaign the last four years (yes, he has been angling for this job for four fucking years now) and compared it to Obama's campaign the past year and a half would vote for Obama in a heart beat.
You'd have to be a willful idiot to vote for Romney. He's ran the most insincere, pandering, cynical and opaque campaign that I've ever witnessed.
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On November 03 2012 05:07 magnusfrater wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 05:05 oneofthem wrote:
some forms of competition do lead to more efficient use of resources. most of the market operate well. Competition will never be as effective as cooperation with a single purpose of mind. Working together instead of apposing.
Yeah, ok, sometimes teamwork is better than solo. You got me there....
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Edit: insomnia ftw...
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