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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 02 2012 04:26 Darknat wrote: Climate change becoming a political issue was the dumbest thing ever so I say "up yours" Bloomberg, I already voted for Romney. Bloomberg is basically a democrat. Not really surprising that he'd endorse Obama. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On November 02 2012 04:26 Darknat wrote: Climate change becoming a political issue was the dumbest thing ever so I say "up yours" Bloomberg, I already voted for Romney. I agree, it should be a strictly scientific issue. But hey if we can't pass legislation to fix a problem that an overwhelming majority of scientists say is a severe problem... | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 02 2012 04:26 Darknat wrote: Climate change becoming a political issue was the dumbest thing ever so I say "up yours" Bloomberg, I already voted for Romney. That's right, it's really a religious and social issue. Stewardship of the earth and all that. | ||
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JDub
United States976 Posts
On November 02 2012 04:31 TheTenthDoc wrote: That's right, it's really a religious and social issue. Stewardship of the earth and all that. Fuck the Earth, I say. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On November 02 2012 04:31 TheTenthDoc wrote: That's right, it's really a religious and social issue. Stewardship of the earth and all that. nah, dude, jesus came and absolved us of our responsibility to give a fuck about anything but ourselves | ||
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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
On November 02 2012 04:31 TheTenthDoc wrote: That's right, it's really a religious and social issue. Stewardship of the earth and all that. And we all know what stewardship can do to someone......... + Show Spoiler + | ||
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
On November 02 2012 04:26 Darknat wrote: Climate change becoming a political issue was the dumbest thing ever so I say "up yours" Bloomberg, I already voted for Romney. It should be a political issue. Do I even have to explain why? | ||
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Liszt
Austria86 Posts
On November 02 2012 04:37 FeUerFlieGe wrote: It should be a political issue. Do I even have to explain why? i think he means it becoming a partisan issue was the dumbest thing ever | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On November 02 2012 04:59 Liszt wrote: i think he means it becoming a partisan issue was the dumbest thing ever no, he means because it's a liberal conspiracy | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On November 02 2012 04:31 Praetorial wrote: I agree, it should be a strictly scientific issue. But hey if we can't pass legislation to fix a problem that an overwhelming majority of scientists say is a severe problem... "To fix a problem an overwhelming majority of scientists say is a severe problem..." That's the issue. Scientists essentially prove that man-made global warming is happening, but people turn around and suggest that those same scientists are advocating caps on CO2 emissions. Admittedly, many Republicans have been absolutely obtuse on the subject, consistently claiming it's a conspiracy, but there is a severe lack of diversity in solutions from everybody else as well. Having a giant group of people pointing to science and jumping to conclusions about the solutions and what data supports them doesn't help. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:07 aksfjh wrote: "To fix a problem an overwhelming majority of scientists say is a severe problem..." That's the issue. Scientists essentially prove that man-made global warming is happening, but people turn around and suggest that those same scientists are advocating caps on CO2 emissions. Admittedly, many Republicans have been absolutely obtuse on the subject, consistently claiming it's a conspiracy, but there is a severe lack of diversity in solutions from everybody else as well. Having a giant group of people pointing to science and jumping to conclusions about the solutions and what data supports them doesn't help. Um. Scientists pointing out a problem and then suggesting a solution to fix it? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
We very much hope that whichever of these men wins office will prove our pessimism wrong. Once in the White House, maybe the Romney of the mind will become reality, cracking bipartisan deals to reshape American government, with his vice-president keeping the headbangers in the Republican Party in line. A re-elected President Obama might learn from his mistakes, clean up the White House, listen to the odd businessman and secure a legacy happier than the one he would leave after a single term. Both men have it in them to be their better selves; but the sad fact is that neither candidate has campaigned as if that is his plan. | ||
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XoXiDe
United States620 Posts
On November 02 2012 03:36 nttea wrote: Now i don't know everything obama has done, but assuming healthcare reform was his biggest thing? Jack shit in my opinion, so filled with compromises that the insurance companies probably can't wait for it to take full effect so they can earn even more money. Sure more people will get covered which is a good thing but i highly doubt it will keep you from getting robbed blind. Now you might claim he had to deal with obstructionist republicans but he wasn't pushing very hard for any real changes like single payer anyway. He even LOWERED the fucking taxes and republicans are crying like he's the black Lenin. The whole thing is surreal to me, Barack Obama should be the right wing alternative. I understand what you're saying about health care being watered down and not achieving real change, I feel the same way as far as preferring a single payer system without the watered down amendments and changes. Calling it jack shit given the political realities of the American system is a bit harsh. It is something to build upon and tweaked in the future. The bill would have been dead on arrival if he pushed for a single payer or anything other than what he got. He got those extra votes because Democrats in his own party couldn't go farther, and a few Republicans couldn't or wouldn't compromise anymore. Of course the question is, if his supporters would rather he fight and lose, or get something done that can be improved? I"m glad he did what he did, and I think the majority of reasonable people (supporters) would agree. I understand the criticism as far as being disappointed for whatever reason, he campaigned on change, everyone campaigns on change, but placing unreal expectations and chastising a president for not accomplishing the unattainable is a bit unfair. Of course you can do that but that doesn't get anybody anywhere ignoring the reality of the situation. Getting things done takes more than just the president. | ||
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StreetWise
United States594 Posts
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Tyree
1508 Posts
I see too many people being indifferent to both parties, but only casting a vote on the blue candidates because the aura and reputation of "crazies" within the republican party, too many nutjobs, warmongers and what not. It really is a shame, because outlets that do tend to swing towards red, should not have to poster these crazies around, they will vote republican regardless of what happens, simply hide them and get the ones in politics out. They are doing the party more harm than good and have for the past 12 or so years. The so called crazies on the blue side pale in comparison, they are lightweight, the most outrageous ones out there are Saturday morning cartoons, compared to the republican horror N17 show. Its been too easy to get young voters who will be the future of America on the blue side, because it has been painted as "boring politicians who support gay rights and bunch of other stuff" vs "old/redneck/southern/racist/warmongers - pick one or combine some of them", ie not so much Good vs Evil, but more Boring vs Reckless Insanity Because it quite clearly is not the case but because of the people who are being put out there it has sent that message | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:23 Praetorial wrote: Um. Scientists pointing out a problem and then suggesting a solution to fix it? Scientists using data and verifiable models to discover a trend (or "problem") and reporting on it. Then they insert their opinion, which isn't backed by any data or verifiable models. In fact, you have a large portion of the scientific community stating that the lag in the response of the climate as a system means the problems we face today are a fruition of 100 years of man-made CO2 emissions. Then, you have some turn around and say, "We have to curb emissions NOW!" as if it would solve the problem for anybody alive today, or even make a significant impact for even the next generation. | ||
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