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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
November 01 2012 18:46 GMT
#22881
On November 02 2012 03:39 sam!zdat wrote:
I'm about ready to emigrate. I still got 6 years here, though...

edit: really what I want is an independent west coast. Hail Cascadia!


lol cascadia. almost as real as the state of superior.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
November 01 2012 18:47 GMT
#22882
I have Mexican and German citizenship, so I could certainly go elsewhere. Alas, I do not see myself leaving the good 'ole US of A.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
November 01 2012 18:48 GMT
#22883
On November 02 2012 03:39 sam!zdat wrote:
I'm about ready to emigrate. I still got 6 years here, though...

edit: really what I want is an independent west coast. Hail Cascadia!

Doing hard time?

I'm holding out for an independent New England myself... though we'd need a better name than that I suppose.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 01 2012 18:48 GMT
#22884
On November 02 2012 03:46 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 03:39 sam!zdat wrote:
I'm about ready to emigrate. I still got 6 years here, though...

edit: really what I want is an independent west coast. Hail Cascadia!


lol cascadia. almost as real as the state of superior.


let me have my fantasies
shikata ga nai
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 01 2012 18:49 GMT
#22885
cascadia sounds too close to cascade. change it to something more optimistic, like rainbowland or new valinor
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 01 2012 18:50 GMT
#22886
Mordor Nuevo
shikata ga nai
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
November 01 2012 18:54 GMT
#22887
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)

If Washington and Oregon leave, this country will move hard right. The remaining United States of Texas will take one look at the tree on your flag and send our gigantic army, now 35% of GDP, to liberate your oil.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 01 2012 18:56 GMT
#22888
we'll frighten them off with our faggotry

User was temp banned for this post.
shikata ga nai
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 01 2012 19:01 GMT
#22889
Faggotry is a word that is not used often enough. Too bad it is so politically incorrect (not that that has ever stopped me).
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 01 2012 19:03 GMT
#22890
Sorry, xdaunt, you're on the wrong team to be able to use that word. you can take vicarious pleasure if you'd like, however
shikata ga nai
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
November 01 2012 19:04 GMT
#22891
On November 02 2012 04:03 sam!zdat wrote:
Sorry, xdaunt, you're on the wrong team to be able to use that word. you can take vicarious pleasure if you'd like, however

Quit being a faggot, and suck that dick.

User was temp banned for this post.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 19:07:12
November 01 2012 19:04 GMT
#22892
reading this TE endorsement of obama, i can't help but wonder if they still think fiscal tightening is alright.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21565623-america-could-do-better-barack-obama-sadly-mitt-romney-does-not-fit-bill-which-one?fsrc=scn/rd_ec/which_one_

a sign of the times when a right-liberal stronghold endorses obama over romney. although wtih the shit romney has said no one in their right mind can endorse him and retain credibility.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 19:13:17
November 01 2012 19:06 GMT
#22893
On November 02 2012 03:45 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 03:21 kwizach wrote:
On November 02 2012 01:41 armada[sb] wrote:
xDaunt this forum is gonna eat you alive for your arrogancy if you're wrong. If you're right you should get some sort of icon. A prophetic one.

Let's make something clear here. There would be absolutely nothing to praise about xDaunt's analysis if Romney ended up getting elected. Back when the Republican primary was still going on, xDaunt actually predicted Rick Perry would beat Romney and win the primary, and that he would then beat Obama in the general election. When it became clear Perry had absolutely zero chance of winning the primary, let alone the election, xDaunt switched horses to the obvious Republican candidate, namely Romney. He hasn't actually put forward any kind of valid analysis behind his choice (other than simplistic assertions like "Americans are tired of Obama's failed policies"), or tried to look objectively at the dynamics behind the race and the shifting momentums. Picking the winner does not make one's analysis right. Paul the Octopus used to be able to pick winners pretty often, but I'm not sure it would have had something interesting to say about his choices.

edit: and btw, if Obama wins, that won't automatically validate the arguments of people who thought he would win either.

I'm not sure that I affirmatively stated one candidate would win the republican party so much as I pointed out who the frontrunners were at various points.

I'm sure, and you did. I distinctively remember the post in which you asserted that Perry would beat both Romney and Obama, and you were basing that assertion on the job creation record of Texas - instead of looking at the other factors which indicated Perry would likely have no chance of winning the election.

On November 02 2012 03:45 xDaunt wrote:When Perry entered the fray, I named him the frontrunner. Rick Perry would have won the nomination had he not self-destructed in the debates. In fact, when everyone talking about his "best" debate performance as the one that would turn his fortunes around, I stuck a fork him in him because I knew that his performance was horrible and would be perceived as horrible by the electorate.

Please, everyone on these forums (and pretty much everywhere else) knew Perry was toast after his first debate performances. And it was pretty obvious from the start that, regardless of his performance in the debates and in the primary, he would stand no chance at the national level - especially for the people who were actually familiar with Perry (I personally did not know much about him, but his "prayer rally" and a few other things I read about him were more than enough).

On November 02 2012 03:45 xDaunt wrote:As for my presidential pick prediction, I stated that Romney would beat Obama and win big. I also stated that I would reevaluate my prediction after each debate. In short, I didn't see any reason to change my prediction after the debates.

I know you did. My point is that you've refused to acknowledge the changes in momentum, refused to acknowledge how well Obama was doing before the first debate, and you basically have not put forward any real valid analysis of why Romney would, according to you, beat Obama. You basically replaced your initial pick, Perry, by Romney.

Mind you, I'm certainly not saying everyone else put more thought into the election than you. I'm simply pointing out that if Romney wins, it won't vindicate your "analysis".
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
November 01 2012 19:07 GMT
#22894
On November 02 2012 04:04 oneofthem wrote:
reading this TE endorsement of obama, i can't help but think if they still think fiscal tightening is alright.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21565623-america-could-do-better-barack-obama-sadly-mitt-romney-does-not-fit-bill-which-one?fsrc=scn/rd_ec/which_one_

a sign of the times when a right-liberal stronghold endorses obama over romney. although wtih the shit romney has said no one in their right mind can endorse him and retain credibility.


The Economist is more libertarian than conservative though. Their type of "right" isn't the same as the American "right".
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 01 2012 19:10 GMT
#22895
i think they are plenty rightwing. even blaming healthcare cost on liberals (rofl) and getting wet for reagan in 2012...

nevertheless the way things are, the "American right" you refer to now is not even a serious political position. it's just a mass of resentment misdirected.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 19:13:58
November 01 2012 19:13 GMT
#22896
On November 02 2012 04:10 oneofthem wrote:
i think they are plenty rightwing. even blaming healthcare cost on liberals (rofl) and getting wet for reagan in 2012...

nevertheless the way things are, the "American right" you refer to now is not even a serious political position. it's just a mass of resentment misdirected.


Health care costs are going to go up because of the ACA. Maybe not for you and I, at the point of our pocketbooks, but the overall social costs will increase. I know the Democrats trumpet the good parts of it and use the figures that help them most, but the amount of burden it places on businesses is unacceptable imo. There are better ways to do it.

Those who think the ACA is a good piece of legislation are naive. It does some good things, but overall it is a mess.
Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
November 01 2012 19:16 GMT
#22897
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg just endorsed Obama because of his stand on climate change.
The Wood League - Where a double gas opening can still mean a Marine/SCV all-in
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 01 2012 19:26 GMT
#22898
On November 02 2012 04:13 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 04:10 oneofthem wrote:
i think they are plenty rightwing. even blaming healthcare cost on liberals (rofl) and getting wet for reagan in 2012...

nevertheless the way things are, the "American right" you refer to now is not even a serious political position. it's just a mass of resentment misdirected.


Health care costs are going to go up because of the ACA. Maybe not for you and I, at the point of our pocketbooks, but the overall social costs will increase. I know the Democrats trumpet the good parts of it and use the figures that help them most, but the amount of burden it places on businesses is unacceptable imo. There are better ways to do it.

Those who think the ACA is a good piece of legislation are naive. It does some good things, but overall it is a mess.

the point made here was that the left wanted a single payer system. so obama's move to the right on healthcare is to blame for not having cost down.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Darknat
Profile Joined March 2011
United States122 Posts
November 01 2012 19:26 GMT
#22899
Climate change becoming a political issue was the dumbest thing ever so I say "up yours" Bloomberg, I already voted for Romney.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
November 01 2012 19:27 GMT
#22900
On November 02 2012 04:26 Darknat wrote:
Climate change becoming a political issue was the dumbest thing ever so I say "up yours" Bloomberg, I already voted for Romney.

Can you make this your sig? Pretty please, it speaks so highly of you.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
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