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On November 02 2012 05:54 Zaqwert wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 05:47 farvacola wrote:On November 02 2012 05:42 Zaqwert wrote:
Man made climate change is a joke and anyone who believes in it is a fool, it's nothing more than a fake crisis designed for governments to increase regulation, taxes, and power, that's why left wingers and socialists scream so much about it.
Feel free to post whatever wikipedia articles and little charts and graphs you want. In 50 years when you are an old man and the earth hasn't turned into a toxic wasteland try to remember this thread. And your proof that this is all fake is? I don't have to prove it's fake, you never have to prove a negative. Global warming cultists are making a HUGE f'ing claim, not only that human activity is causing dramatic change to the earth's envionment and climate, but that those changes are going to be catostrophic in nature, to the point we need to drastically alter every aspet of our lives to combat them. To say the jury is still out on that is being generous. There have been some data points indicating rising global temperatures, but connecting that to CO2 emissions is still iffy, and in fact the earth's tempature has begun going back down slightly, yet CO2 emissions are higher than ever. The government needs scare tactics to gain power typically, be it the "terrorists" or global warming or some other imaginary threat.
Negative is not the same as absence.
You are not being asked to prove the absence of global warming due to human activity. You are being asked to prove your claim that scientific data is fake.
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On November 02 2012 05:42 Zaqwert wrote:
Man made climate change is a joke and anyone who believes in it is a fool, it's nothing more than a fake crisis designed for governments to increase regulation, taxes, and power, that's why left wingers and socialists scream so much about it.
Feel free to post whatever wikipedia articles and little charts and graphs you want. In 50 years when you are an old man and the earth hasn't turned into a toxic wasteland try to remember this thread.
Science is overrated? Facts are what comes logically and anything else is a hoax?
In 50 years, I will guarantee that it is not gonna be climate change turning the earth into a toxic wasteland and I have seen noone even approaching the level of fear-strawman you are pulling here.
Climate change will make your american automn-girls more destructive, raise the temperalture on a global level (we are talking far less than what can be registered as seasonal temperatures) and there is also an increase in the chance of extreme amount of precipitation. When that is said the problem is that the overall global effects on water-currents, air-currents and ocean-level is almost completely speculative and changing those things are no sunshine for Europe especially.
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On November 02 2012 05:57 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 05:54 Zaqwert wrote:On November 02 2012 05:47 farvacola wrote:On November 02 2012 05:42 Zaqwert wrote:
Man made climate change is a joke and anyone who believes in it is a fool, it's nothing more than a fake crisis designed for governments to increase regulation, taxes, and power, that's why left wingers and socialists scream so much about it.
Feel free to post whatever wikipedia articles and little charts and graphs you want. In 50 years when you are an old man and the earth hasn't turned into a toxic wasteland try to remember this thread. And your proof that this is all fake is? I don't have to prove it's fake, you never have to prove a negative. Global warming cultists are making a HUGE f'ing claim, not only that human activity is causing dramatic change to the earth's envionment and climate, but that those changes are going to be catostrophic in nature, to the point we need to drastically alter every aspet of our lives to combat them. To say the jury is still out on that is being generous. There have been some data points indicating rising global temperatures, but connecting that to CO2 emissions is still iffy, and in fact the earth's tempature has begun going back down slightly, yet CO2 emissions are higher than ever. The government needs scare tactics to gain power typically, be it the "terrorists" or global warming or some other imaginary threat. If you look at temperature trends over the past 100 years they trend upwards but if you look at each data point they tend to go up and down with the ups being higher and the lows not being quite as low. We have always had cyclical temperatures its just that its trending upwards.
While i do not deny Global Warming exists there is imo not enough date about if its man made or not. The earth goes through cycles just as anything else. It could all be a natural phenomena.
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On November 02 2012 06:08 radiatoren wrote:
changing those things are no sunshine for Europe especially.
I hope you guys are working on inventing a gulf stream dance, because boy are you gonna need some sympathetic magic
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On November 02 2012 06:09 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 05:57 Adreme wrote:On November 02 2012 05:54 Zaqwert wrote:On November 02 2012 05:47 farvacola wrote:On November 02 2012 05:42 Zaqwert wrote:
Man made climate change is a joke and anyone who believes in it is a fool, it's nothing more than a fake crisis designed for governments to increase regulation, taxes, and power, that's why left wingers and socialists scream so much about it.
Feel free to post whatever wikipedia articles and little charts and graphs you want. In 50 years when you are an old man and the earth hasn't turned into a toxic wasteland try to remember this thread. And your proof that this is all fake is? I don't have to prove it's fake, you never have to prove a negative. Global warming cultists are making a HUGE f'ing claim, not only that human activity is causing dramatic change to the earth's envionment and climate, but that those changes are going to be catostrophic in nature, to the point we need to drastically alter every aspet of our lives to combat them. To say the jury is still out on that is being generous. There have been some data points indicating rising global temperatures, but connecting that to CO2 emissions is still iffy, and in fact the earth's tempature has begun going back down slightly, yet CO2 emissions are higher than ever. The government needs scare tactics to gain power typically, be it the "terrorists" or global warming or some other imaginary threat. If you look at temperature trends over the past 100 years they trend upwards but if you look at each data point they tend to go up and down with the ups being higher and the lows not being quite as low. We have always had cyclical temperatures its just that its trending upwards. While i do not deny Global Warming exists there is imo not enough date about if its man made or not. The earth goes through cycles just as anything else. It could all be a natural phenomena.
problem is bolded
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I'm never sure whether global warming denialists are denying basic atmospheric science or that the magnitude of human contributions to global warming is significant. There is an argument that the latter is a possibility, it's just not 100% that human contributions are insignificant and I'd rather be in the "better safe than sorry" camp.
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On November 02 2012 06:03 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 05:54 Zaqwert wrote:On November 02 2012 05:47 farvacola wrote:On November 02 2012 05:42 Zaqwert wrote:
Man made climate change is a joke and anyone who believes in it is a fool, it's nothing more than a fake crisis designed for governments to increase regulation, taxes, and power, that's why left wingers and socialists scream so much about it.
Feel free to post whatever wikipedia articles and little charts and graphs you want. In 50 years when you are an old man and the earth hasn't turned into a toxic wasteland try to remember this thread. And your proof that this is all fake is? I don't have to prove it's fake, you never have to prove a negative. Global warming cultists are making a HUGE f'ing claim, not only that human activity is causing dramatic change to the earth's envionment and climate, but that those changes are going to be catostrophic in nature, to the point we need to drastically alter every aspet of our lives to combat them. To say the jury is still out on that is being generous. There have been some data points indicating rising global temperatures, but connecting that to CO2 emissions is still iffy, and in fact the earth's tempature has begun going back down slightly, yet CO2 emissions are higher than ever. The government needs scare tactics to gain power typically, be it the "terrorists" or global warming or some other imaginary threat. How the hell does anyone assume that when it comes to influencing the public through media, scientists would be able to outdo the oil industry, to pull off such a "conspiracy" against the world's most wealthiest industry? I mean, that is impressive. The fact that climate change is becoming more accepted is a victory of our intellectual honesty over the business of media. Despite all the often-paid-for "contrary" opinions on the subject, people are accepting that science has been so successful over the years because they're in the business of openly, publicly scrutinizing themselves better than anyone in the media can. They know what facts are, and they know how to work with them. The way you post, on the other hand, suggests the opposite.
Those scientists rolling around in their Bentleys just want more funding from the government so they can pay for their next yacht and support their lavish lifestyles. Its fairly obvious that all of the hundreds of climate scientists are just making shit up to suck the government teat and impose their socialisms on the land of the free. I mean, scientists can't even tell us if eggs cause cancer or not, why should we trust them. I dare say, its impossible for people to do anything to the environment, mother nature is just so much bigger than us, its just common sense.
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On November 02 2012 06:10 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 06:08 radiatoren wrote:
changing those things are no sunshine for Europe especially. I hope you guys are working on inventing a gulf stream dance, because boy are you gonna need some sympathetic magic edit: Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 06:09 Gorsameth wrote:On November 02 2012 05:57 Adreme wrote:On November 02 2012 05:54 Zaqwert wrote:On November 02 2012 05:47 farvacola wrote:On November 02 2012 05:42 Zaqwert wrote:
Man made climate change is a joke and anyone who believes in it is a fool, it's nothing more than a fake crisis designed for governments to increase regulation, taxes, and power, that's why left wingers and socialists scream so much about it.
Feel free to post whatever wikipedia articles and little charts and graphs you want. In 50 years when you are an old man and the earth hasn't turned into a toxic wasteland try to remember this thread. And your proof that this is all fake is? I don't have to prove it's fake, you never have to prove a negative. Global warming cultists are making a HUGE f'ing claim, not only that human activity is causing dramatic change to the earth's envionment and climate, but that those changes are going to be catostrophic in nature, to the point we need to drastically alter every aspet of our lives to combat them. To say the jury is still out on that is being generous. There have been some data points indicating rising global temperatures, but connecting that to CO2 emissions is still iffy, and in fact the earth's tempature has begun going back down slightly, yet CO2 emissions are higher than ever. The government needs scare tactics to gain power typically, be it the "terrorists" or global warming or some other imaginary threat. If you look at temperature trends over the past 100 years they trend upwards but if you look at each data point they tend to go up and down with the ups being higher and the lows not being quite as low. We have always had cyclical temperatures its just that its trending upwards. While i do not deny Global Warming exists there is imo not enough date about if its man made or not. The earth goes through cycles just as anything else. It could all be a natural phenomena. problem is bolded
It is cold in my apartment, must be the Gulf Stream not working on a local scale!  As long as I get the stick with a goat-cranium in the dancing I am game!
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On November 02 2012 06:16 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 06:03 Leporello wrote:On November 02 2012 05:54 Zaqwert wrote:On November 02 2012 05:47 farvacola wrote:On November 02 2012 05:42 Zaqwert wrote:
Man made climate change is a joke and anyone who believes in it is a fool, it's nothing more than a fake crisis designed for governments to increase regulation, taxes, and power, that's why left wingers and socialists scream so much about it.
Feel free to post whatever wikipedia articles and little charts and graphs you want. In 50 years when you are an old man and the earth hasn't turned into a toxic wasteland try to remember this thread. And your proof that this is all fake is? I don't have to prove it's fake, you never have to prove a negative. Global warming cultists are making a HUGE f'ing claim, not only that human activity is causing dramatic change to the earth's envionment and climate, but that those changes are going to be catostrophic in nature, to the point we need to drastically alter every aspet of our lives to combat them. To say the jury is still out on that is being generous. There have been some data points indicating rising global temperatures, but connecting that to CO2 emissions is still iffy, and in fact the earth's tempature has begun going back down slightly, yet CO2 emissions are higher than ever. The government needs scare tactics to gain power typically, be it the "terrorists" or global warming or some other imaginary threat. How the hell does anyone assume that when it comes to influencing the public through media, scientists would be able to outdo the oil industry, to pull off such a "conspiracy" against the world's most wealthiest industry? I mean, that is impressive. The fact that climate change is becoming more accepted is a victory of our intellectual honesty over the business of media. Despite all the often-paid-for "contrary" opinions on the subject, people are accepting that science has been so successful over the years because they're in the business of openly, publicly scrutinizing themselves better than anyone in the media can. They know what facts are, and they know how to work with them. The way you post, on the other hand, suggests the opposite. Those scientists rolling around in their Bentleys just want more funding from the government so they can pay for their next yacht and support their lavish lifestyles. Its fairly obvious that all of the hundreds of climate scientists are just making shit up to suck the government teat and impose their socialisms on the land of the free. I mean, scientists can't even tell us if eggs cause cancer or not, why should we trust them. I dare say, its impossible for people to do anything to the environment, mother nature is just so much bigger than us, its just common sense.
Posts like this make me depressed about the future of humanity. Yes, atmospheric scientists are rolling around in their Bentleys, while the big oil CEOs struggle to get by. Those damn scientists corrupting the government!
Seriously, how is it impossible for people to do anything to the government? Try a thought experiment: what would happen to mother nature if humans decided to detonate every atomic bomb currently in our possession? Therefore, it is possible for us to affect mother nature. The question is just how much we are doing so.
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not sure what's at fault here, the failed sarcasm detector or the existence of people who would seriously write that
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On November 02 2012 06:20 JDub wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 06:16 ZeaL. wrote:On November 02 2012 06:03 Leporello wrote:On November 02 2012 05:54 Zaqwert wrote:On November 02 2012 05:47 farvacola wrote:On November 02 2012 05:42 Zaqwert wrote:
Man made climate change is a joke and anyone who believes in it is a fool, it's nothing more than a fake crisis designed for governments to increase regulation, taxes, and power, that's why left wingers and socialists scream so much about it.
Feel free to post whatever wikipedia articles and little charts and graphs you want. In 50 years when you are an old man and the earth hasn't turned into a toxic wasteland try to remember this thread. And your proof that this is all fake is? I don't have to prove it's fake, you never have to prove a negative. Global warming cultists are making a HUGE f'ing claim, not only that human activity is causing dramatic change to the earth's envionment and climate, but that those changes are going to be catostrophic in nature, to the point we need to drastically alter every aspet of our lives to combat them. To say the jury is still out on that is being generous. There have been some data points indicating rising global temperatures, but connecting that to CO2 emissions is still iffy, and in fact the earth's tempature has begun going back down slightly, yet CO2 emissions are higher than ever. The government needs scare tactics to gain power typically, be it the "terrorists" or global warming or some other imaginary threat. How the hell does anyone assume that when it comes to influencing the public through media, scientists would be able to outdo the oil industry, to pull off such a "conspiracy" against the world's most wealthiest industry? I mean, that is impressive. The fact that climate change is becoming more accepted is a victory of our intellectual honesty over the business of media. Despite all the often-paid-for "contrary" opinions on the subject, people are accepting that science has been so successful over the years because they're in the business of openly, publicly scrutinizing themselves better than anyone in the media can. They know what facts are, and they know how to work with them. The way you post, on the other hand, suggests the opposite. Those scientists rolling around in their Bentleys just want more funding from the government so they can pay for their next yacht and support their lavish lifestyles. Its fairly obvious that all of the hundreds of climate scientists are just making shit up to suck the government teat and impose their socialisms on the land of the free. I mean, scientists can't even tell us if eggs cause cancer or not, why should we trust them. I dare say, its impossible for people to do anything to the environment, mother nature is just so much bigger than us, its just common sense. Posts like this make me depressed about the future of humanity. Yes, atmospheric scientists are rolling around in their Bentleys, while the big oil CEOs struggle to get by. Those damn scientists corrupting the government! Seriously, how is it impossible for people to do anything to the government? Try a thought experiment: what would happen to mother nature if humans decided to detonate every atomic bomb currently in our possession? Therefore, it is possible for us to affect mother nature. The question is just how much we are doing so.
i believe he was being sarcastic.
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On November 02 2012 06:20 JDub wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 06:16 ZeaL. wrote:On November 02 2012 06:03 Leporello wrote:On November 02 2012 05:54 Zaqwert wrote:On November 02 2012 05:47 farvacola wrote:On November 02 2012 05:42 Zaqwert wrote:
Man made climate change is a joke and anyone who believes in it is a fool, it's nothing more than a fake crisis designed for governments to increase regulation, taxes, and power, that's why left wingers and socialists scream so much about it.
Feel free to post whatever wikipedia articles and little charts and graphs you want. In 50 years when you are an old man and the earth hasn't turned into a toxic wasteland try to remember this thread. And your proof that this is all fake is? I don't have to prove it's fake, you never have to prove a negative. Global warming cultists are making a HUGE f'ing claim, not only that human activity is causing dramatic change to the earth's envionment and climate, but that those changes are going to be catostrophic in nature, to the point we need to drastically alter every aspet of our lives to combat them. To say the jury is still out on that is being generous. There have been some data points indicating rising global temperatures, but connecting that to CO2 emissions is still iffy, and in fact the earth's tempature has begun going back down slightly, yet CO2 emissions are higher than ever. The government needs scare tactics to gain power typically, be it the "terrorists" or global warming or some other imaginary threat. How the hell does anyone assume that when it comes to influencing the public through media, scientists would be able to outdo the oil industry, to pull off such a "conspiracy" against the world's most wealthiest industry? I mean, that is impressive. The fact that climate change is becoming more accepted is a victory of our intellectual honesty over the business of media. Despite all the often-paid-for "contrary" opinions on the subject, people are accepting that science has been so successful over the years because they're in the business of openly, publicly scrutinizing themselves better than anyone in the media can. They know what facts are, and they know how to work with them. The way you post, on the other hand, suggests the opposite. Those scientists rolling around in their Bentleys just want more funding from the government so they can pay for their next yacht and support their lavish lifestyles. Its fairly obvious that all of the hundreds of climate scientists are just making shit up to suck the government teat and impose their socialisms on the land of the free. I mean, scientists can't even tell us if eggs cause cancer or not, why should we trust them. I dare say, its impossible for people to do anything to the environment, mother nature is just so much bigger than us, its just common sense. Posts like this make me depressed about the future of humanity. Yes, atmospheric scientists are rolling around in their Bentleys, while the big oil CEOs struggle to get by. Those damn scientists corrupting the government! Seriously, how is it impossible for people to do anything to the government? Try a thought experiment: what would happen to mother nature if humans decided to detonate every atomic bomb currently in our possession? Therefore, it is possible for us to affect mother nature. The question is just how much we are doing so.
I'm somewhat surprised the location tag by your name isn't Romania.
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Nicolae Ceaușescu up in this bish
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On November 02 2012 06:20 radiatoren wrote:
As long as I get the stick with a goat-cranium in the dancing I am game!
HAHA I take great pleasure in knowing that this must somehow make sense in Danish
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a half serious proposal would be to get nerds into politics so the corrupting influence of money fails under the need to keep the numbers right.
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On November 02 2012 06:28 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 06:20 radiatoren wrote:
As long as I get the stick with a goat-cranium in the dancing I am game! HAHA I take great pleasure in knowing that this must somehow make sense in Danish
I be bad at speak,yes?
I should have said;
As long as I get to hold the stick with a goat-cranium at the end, while doing the dance, I am game!
I guess the actual and implied meaning got lost in my bad grammar! Goat-cranium is a part of some shaman rituals in especially Africa. Putting it at the end of a stick is probably more of a reference to different kind of pop-culture!
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On November 02 2012 06:23 xNSwarm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 06:20 JDub wrote:On November 02 2012 06:16 ZeaL. wrote:On November 02 2012 06:03 Leporello wrote:On November 02 2012 05:54 Zaqwert wrote:On November 02 2012 05:47 farvacola wrote:On November 02 2012 05:42 Zaqwert wrote:
Man made climate change is a joke and anyone who believes in it is a fool, it's nothing more than a fake crisis designed for governments to increase regulation, taxes, and power, that's why left wingers and socialists scream so much about it.
Feel free to post whatever wikipedia articles and little charts and graphs you want. In 50 years when you are an old man and the earth hasn't turned into a toxic wasteland try to remember this thread. And your proof that this is all fake is? I don't have to prove it's fake, you never have to prove a negative. Global warming cultists are making a HUGE f'ing claim, not only that human activity is causing dramatic change to the earth's envionment and climate, but that those changes are going to be catostrophic in nature, to the point we need to drastically alter every aspet of our lives to combat them. To say the jury is still out on that is being generous. There have been some data points indicating rising global temperatures, but connecting that to CO2 emissions is still iffy, and in fact the earth's tempature has begun going back down slightly, yet CO2 emissions are higher than ever. The government needs scare tactics to gain power typically, be it the "terrorists" or global warming or some other imaginary threat. How the hell does anyone assume that when it comes to influencing the public through media, scientists would be able to outdo the oil industry, to pull off such a "conspiracy" against the world's most wealthiest industry? I mean, that is impressive. The fact that climate change is becoming more accepted is a victory of our intellectual honesty over the business of media. Despite all the often-paid-for "contrary" opinions on the subject, people are accepting that science has been so successful over the years because they're in the business of openly, publicly scrutinizing themselves better than anyone in the media can. They know what facts are, and they know how to work with them. The way you post, on the other hand, suggests the opposite. Those scientists rolling around in their Bentleys just want more funding from the government so they can pay for their next yacht and support their lavish lifestyles. Its fairly obvious that all of the hundreds of climate scientists are just making shit up to suck the government teat and impose their socialisms on the land of the free. I mean, scientists can't even tell us if eggs cause cancer or not, why should we trust them. I dare say, its impossible for people to do anything to the environment, mother nature is just so much bigger than us, its just common sense. Posts like this make me depressed about the future of humanity. Yes, atmospheric scientists are rolling around in their Bentleys, while the big oil CEOs struggle to get by. Those damn scientists corrupting the government! Seriously, how is it impossible for people to do anything to the government? Try a thought experiment: what would happen to mother nature if humans decided to detonate every atomic bomb currently in our possession? Therefore, it is possible for us to affect mother nature. The question is just how much we are doing so. i believe he was being sarcastic.
Everyone's sarcasm detector fails them online sometimes. I don't know if it's my fault or the fault of the other people posting so stupidly about climate change that such a ridiculous post doesn't register as sarcasm in my brain.
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On November 02 2012 06:38 radiatoren wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 06:28 sam!zdat wrote:On November 02 2012 06:20 radiatoren wrote:
As long as I get the stick with a goat-cranium in the dancing I am game! HAHA I take great pleasure in knowing that this must somehow make sense in Danish I be bad at speak,yes? I should have said; As long as I get to hold the stick with a goat-cranium at the end, while doing the dance, I am game! I guess the actual and implied meaning got lost in my bad grammar! Goat-cranium is a part of some shaman rituals in especially Africa. Putting it at the end of a stick is probably more of a reference to different kind of pop-culture!
I'm going to assume that this translates to, "As long as the dance winds up benefitting me I'm up for dancing".
I did get a good laugh out of it though.
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On November 02 2012 06:41 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 06:38 radiatoren wrote:On November 02 2012 06:28 sam!zdat wrote:On November 02 2012 06:20 radiatoren wrote:
As long as I get the stick with a goat-cranium in the dancing I am game! HAHA I take great pleasure in knowing that this must somehow make sense in Danish I be bad at speak,yes? I should have said; As long as I get to hold the stick with a goat-cranium at the end, while doing the dance, I am game! I guess the actual and implied meaning got lost in my bad grammar! Goat-cranium is a part of some shaman rituals in especially Africa. Putting it at the end of a stick is probably more of a reference to different kind of pop-culture! I'm going to assume that this translates to, "As long as the dance winds up benefitting me I'm up for dancing". I did get a good laugh out of it though.
I tell ya, I will not shy away from a good rain dance once in a while!
Edit: Getting back to the election it seems that Obama is trying to resurrect "Change" as part of his campaign. It seems pretty hard to actually pull off without sounding pretty hypocritical!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/01/us-usa-campaign-obama-change-idUSBRE8A01B420121101
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On November 02 2012 05:42 Zaqwert wrote:
Man made climate change is a joke and anyone who believes in it is a fool, it's nothing more than a fake crisis designed for governments to increase regulation, taxes, and power, that's why left wingers and socialists scream so much about it.
Feel free to post whatever wikipedia articles and little charts and graphs you want. In 50 years when you are an old man and the earth hasn't turned into a toxic wasteland try to remember this thread.
The earth isn't going to turn into a toxic wasteland. But the affects of climate change are going to have an actual impact on our future situation. A negative impact. If you are going to ignore credible charts and articles, then your opinion on the issue is already misinformed and useless. If you're going to keep your head in the sand, please don't try typing.
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