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On October 27 2012 06:54 Sanctimonius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 06:38 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:35 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 06:29 Swazi Spring wrote:Unrelated, but I simply must point this out. Again the liberal media makes their bias obvious: Discontent is rife across Libya, not just in Benghazi, the cradle of the revolt. Gun culture has taken hold, residents say, citing carjackings, kidnappings, armed robberies and disputes leading to shootouts between rival groups. Hence the phrase "gun culture," as if having a culture that respects guns and gun rights makes you violent. While there is a difference between handgun rights and buying an AK on every street corner, I agree that its a strange choice of words. Just because people have the right to buy an AK-47 "on every street corner" doesn't make them violent either. Guns don't make people violent, no matter what kind of gun it is. Correct. It simply makes mass violence much, much easier. Which I believe is the argument frequently made by anti-gun people and frequently ignored by pro-gun people, but this is getting off the debate.
That "argument" has been proven wrong time and time again. The fact of the matter is that gun control empowers criminals, while hurting law abiding citizens, thus resulting in more death and more violence. This has always been the case throughout history and in every single country that has ever existed.
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On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 06:44 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:42 radiatoren wrote:On October 27 2012 06:29 Swazi Spring wrote:Unrelated, but I simply must point this out. Again the liberal media makes their bias obvious: Discontent is rife across Libya, not just in Benghazi, the cradle of the revolt. Gun culture has taken hold, residents say, citing carjackings, kidnappings, armed robberies and disputes leading to shootouts between rival groups. Hence the phrase "gun culture," as if having a culture that respects guns and gun rights makes you violent. I would never have thought about the phrase "gun culture" carrying a liberal slant in general. I just see it as a way to describe how a populaton treat guns. In this context it is used as a derogative because Libya is in almost anarchy, but in general it seems like a very thin annotation to justify a label as politically biased. The term can have very positive connotations, such as in the United States, where Americans take pride in their gun culture. This "journalist" clearly used the phrase in a negative (and incorrect) manner, so he could attack Americans and subtly push his totalitarian agenda. Ill give you the first part of your argument but to push his totalitarian agenda? your really trying to push everyone who disagrees with you the wrong way arnt you. Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things?
Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You
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On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 06:44 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:42 radiatoren wrote:On October 27 2012 06:29 Swazi Spring wrote:Unrelated, but I simply must point this out. Again the liberal media makes their bias obvious: Discontent is rife across Libya, not just in Benghazi, the cradle of the revolt. Gun culture has taken hold, residents say, citing carjackings, kidnappings, armed robberies and disputes leading to shootouts between rival groups. Hence the phrase "gun culture," as if having a culture that respects guns and gun rights makes you violent. I would never have thought about the phrase "gun culture" carrying a liberal slant in general. I just see it as a way to describe how a populaton treat guns. In this context it is used as a derogative because Libya is in almost anarchy, but in general it seems like a very thin annotation to justify a label as politically biased. The term can have very positive connotations, such as in the United States, where Americans take pride in their gun culture. This "journalist" clearly used the phrase in a negative (and incorrect) manner, so he could attack Americans and subtly push his totalitarian agenda. Ill give you the first part of your argument but to push his totalitarian agenda? your really trying to push everyone who disagrees with you the wrong way arnt you. Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You
Who says so? nature? or we as human beings.
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On October 27 2012 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 06:44 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:42 radiatoren wrote:On October 27 2012 06:29 Swazi Spring wrote:
Unrelated, but I simply must point this out. Again the liberal media makes their bias obvious:
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Hence the phrase "gun culture," as if having a culture that respects guns and gun rights makes you violent. I would never have thought about the phrase "gun culture" carrying a liberal slant in general. I just see it as a way to describe how a populaton treat guns. In this context it is used as a derogative because Libya is in almost anarchy, but in general it seems like a very thin annotation to justify a label as politically biased. The term can have very positive connotations, such as in the United States, where Americans take pride in their gun culture. This "journalist" clearly used the phrase in a negative (and incorrect) manner, so he could attack Americans and subtly push his totalitarian agenda. Ill give you the first part of your argument but to push his totalitarian agenda? your really trying to push everyone who disagrees with you the wrong way arnt you. Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You Who says so? nature? or we as human beings.
How in the world does having the right to defend yourself equate with the right to violently murdering anyone who disagrees with you?
If you kill someone unprovoked, you're violating their right to life and shall be tried for such an offense.
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On October 27 2012 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 06:44 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:42 radiatoren wrote:On October 27 2012 06:29 Swazi Spring wrote:
Unrelated, but I simply must point this out. Again the liberal media makes their bias obvious:
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Hence the phrase "gun culture," as if having a culture that respects guns and gun rights makes you violent. I would never have thought about the phrase "gun culture" carrying a liberal slant in general. I just see it as a way to describe how a populaton treat guns. In this context it is used as a derogative because Libya is in almost anarchy, but in general it seems like a very thin annotation to justify a label as politically biased. The term can have very positive connotations, such as in the United States, where Americans take pride in their gun culture. This "journalist" clearly used the phrase in a negative (and incorrect) manner, so he could attack Americans and subtly push his totalitarian agenda. Ill give you the first part of your argument but to push his totalitarian agenda? your really trying to push everyone who disagrees with you the wrong way arnt you. Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You Who says so? nature? or we as human beings.
Nature dictates what human beings say, most of the time. Don't tell the sociologists though.
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On October 27 2012 06:59 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 06:54 Sanctimonius wrote:On October 27 2012 06:38 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:35 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 06:29 Swazi Spring wrote:Unrelated, but I simply must point this out. Again the liberal media makes their bias obvious: Discontent is rife across Libya, not just in Benghazi, the cradle of the revolt. Gun culture has taken hold, residents say, citing carjackings, kidnappings, armed robberies and disputes leading to shootouts between rival groups. Hence the phrase "gun culture," as if having a culture that respects guns and gun rights makes you violent. While there is a difference between handgun rights and buying an AK on every street corner, I agree that its a strange choice of words. Just because people have the right to buy an AK-47 "on every street corner" doesn't make them violent either. Guns don't make people violent, no matter what kind of gun it is. Correct. It simply makes mass violence much, much easier. Which I believe is the argument frequently made by anti-gun people and frequently ignored by pro-gun people, but this is getting off the debate. That "argument" has been proven wrong time and time again. The fact of the matter is that gun control empowers criminals, while hurting law abiding citizens, thus resulting in more death and more violence. This has always been the case throughout history and in every single country that has ever existed.
You need to be a LITTLE more subtle if you're going to troll, man.
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On October 27 2012 07:03 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 06:44 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:42 radiatoren wrote:
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I would never have thought about the phrase "gun culture" carrying a liberal slant in general. I just see it as a way to describe how a populaton treat guns. In this context it is used as a derogative because Libya is in almost anarchy, but in general it seems like a very thin annotation to justify a label as politically biased.
The term can have very positive connotations, such as in the United States, where Americans take pride in their gun culture. This "journalist" clearly used the phrase in a negative (and incorrect) manner, so he could attack Americans and subtly push his totalitarian agenda. Ill give you the first part of your argument but to push his totalitarian agenda? your really trying to push everyone who disagrees with you the wrong way arnt you. Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You Who says so? nature? or we as human beings. How in the world does having the right to defend yourself equate with the right to violently murdering anyone who disagrees with you? If you kill someone unprovoked, you're violating their right to life and shall be tried for such an offense.
Does Nature try me for that offense or does a human court do so?
If its a Human court then it is a human right or one from nature?
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On October 27 2012 07:03 HunterX11 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 06:59 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:54 Sanctimonius wrote:On October 27 2012 06:38 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:35 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 06:29 Swazi Spring wrote:Unrelated, but I simply must point this out. Again the liberal media makes their bias obvious: Discontent is rife across Libya, not just in Benghazi, the cradle of the revolt. Gun culture has taken hold, residents say, citing carjackings, kidnappings, armed robberies and disputes leading to shootouts between rival groups. Hence the phrase "gun culture," as if having a culture that respects guns and gun rights makes you violent. While there is a difference between handgun rights and buying an AK on every street corner, I agree that its a strange choice of words. Just because people have the right to buy an AK-47 "on every street corner" doesn't make them violent either. Guns don't make people violent, no matter what kind of gun it is. Correct. It simply makes mass violence much, much easier. Which I believe is the argument frequently made by anti-gun people and frequently ignored by pro-gun people, but this is getting off the debate. That "argument" has been proven wrong time and time again. The fact of the matter is that gun control empowers criminals, while hurting law abiding citizens, thus resulting in more death and more violence. This has always been the case throughout history and in every single country that has ever existed. You need to be a LITTLE more subtle if you're going to troll, man.
I'm sure you know all about that.
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On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 06:44 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:42 radiatoren wrote:On October 27 2012 06:29 Swazi Spring wrote:Unrelated, but I simply must point this out. Again the liberal media makes their bias obvious: Discontent is rife across Libya, not just in Benghazi, the cradle of the revolt. Gun culture has taken hold, residents say, citing carjackings, kidnappings, armed robberies and disputes leading to shootouts between rival groups. Hence the phrase "gun culture," as if having a culture that respects guns and gun rights makes you violent. I would never have thought about the phrase "gun culture" carrying a liberal slant in general. I just see it as a way to describe how a populaton treat guns. In this context it is used as a derogative because Libya is in almost anarchy, but in general it seems like a very thin annotation to justify a label as politically biased. The term can have very positive connotations, such as in the United States, where Americans take pride in their gun culture. This "journalist" clearly used the phrase in a negative (and incorrect) manner, so he could attack Americans and subtly push his totalitarian agenda. Ill give you the first part of your argument but to push his totalitarian agenda? your really trying to push everyone who disagrees with you the wrong way arnt you. Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments.
Not all that sure if you are accusing the right one of being brainwashed...
It's news to me that I am not allowed to own a gun if I wanted to and followed the correct procedures.
Also good luck asking nature for catching that thief who stole your gun.
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On October 27 2012 07:04 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 07:03 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 06:44 Swazi Spring wrote:
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The term can have very positive connotations, such as in the United States, where Americans take pride in their gun culture. This "journalist" clearly used the phrase in a negative (and incorrect) manner, so he could attack Americans and subtly push his totalitarian agenda. Ill give you the first part of your argument but to push his totalitarian agenda? your really trying to push everyone who disagrees with you the wrong way arnt you. Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You Who says so? nature? or we as human beings. How in the world does having the right to defend yourself equate with the right to violently murdering anyone who disagrees with you? If you kill someone unprovoked, you're violating their right to life and shall be tried for such an offense. Does Nature try me for that offense or does a human court do so? If its a Human court then it is a human right or one from nature?
A human court. Humans are animals, we're part of nature and we, as natural beings, punish those who violate the rights of others.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On October 27 2012 07:06 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 07:04 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:03 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:
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Ill give you the first part of your argument but to push his totalitarian agenda? your really trying to push everyone who disagrees with you the wrong way arnt you. Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You Who says so? nature? or we as human beings. How in the world does having the right to defend yourself equate with the right to violently murdering anyone who disagrees with you? If you kill someone unprovoked, you're violating their right to life and shall be tried for such an offense. Does Nature try me for that offense or does a human court do so? If its a Human court then it is a human right or one from nature? A human court. Humans are animals, we're part of nature and we, as natural beings, punish those who violate the rights of others.
If an Animal kills another for fun does he get tried in the Animal court?
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On October 27 2012 07:06 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 07:06 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 07:04 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:03 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:
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Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You Who says so? nature? or we as human beings. How in the world does having the right to defend yourself equate with the right to violently murdering anyone who disagrees with you? If you kill someone unprovoked, you're violating their right to life and shall be tried for such an offense. Does Nature try me for that offense or does a human court do so? If its a Human court then it is a human right or one from nature? A human court. Humans are animals, we're part of nature and we, as natural beings, punish those who violate the rights of others. If an Animal kills another for fun does he get tried in the Animal court?
Sapient animals? Yes. Non-sapient animals? No.
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On October 27 2012 07:03 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 06:44 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:42 radiatoren wrote:
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I would never have thought about the phrase "gun culture" carrying a liberal slant in general. I just see it as a way to describe how a populaton treat guns. In this context it is used as a derogative because Libya is in almost anarchy, but in general it seems like a very thin annotation to justify a label as politically biased.
The term can have very positive connotations, such as in the United States, where Americans take pride in their gun culture. This "journalist" clearly used the phrase in a negative (and incorrect) manner, so he could attack Americans and subtly push his totalitarian agenda. Ill give you the first part of your argument but to push his totalitarian agenda? your really trying to push everyone who disagrees with you the wrong way arnt you. Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You Who says so? nature? or we as human beings. How in the world does having the right to defend yourself equate with the right to violently murdering anyone who disagrees with you? If you kill someone unprovoked, you're violating their right to life and shall be tried for such an offense.
Your argument is that laws gun control is totalitarian and against your rights.
His argument is that any law is totalitarian and potentially at odds with your rights.
You will keep arguing against a strawman based on the wrong assumption that he sees the constitution as the only thing sacred in this world.
He will keep arguing against a strawman based on any law being totalitarian and the basis for any law is not given anywhere.
None of you will make much sense for those without a bias and you will never get to a true agreement.
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On October 27 2012 07:07 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 07:06 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:06 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 07:04 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:03 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:
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This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian.
And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings?
Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You Who says so? nature? or we as human beings. How in the world does having the right to defend yourself equate with the right to violently murdering anyone who disagrees with you? If you kill someone unprovoked, you're violating their right to life and shall be tried for such an offense. Does Nature try me for that offense or does a human court do so? If its a Human court then it is a human right or one from nature? A human court. Humans are animals, we're part of nature and we, as natural beings, punish those who violate the rights of others. If an Animal kills another for fun does he get tried in the Animal court? Sapient animals? Yes. Non-sapient animals? No.
Ok while I enjoy this little exchange im just going to stop it here before we get pages of this.
We as Humans have decided that killing another is wrong. We decide a punishment for it. If We didnt chose to punish there would be no punishment. Its We who chose what is right and wrong. not Nature, Not god but you and me and everyone else.
ah... guess i was a little to late stopping this :p
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On October 27 2012 07:06 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 07:04 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:03 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:
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Ill give you the first part of your argument but to push his totalitarian agenda? your really trying to push everyone who disagrees with you the wrong way arnt you. Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You Who says so? nature? or we as human beings. How in the world does having the right to defend yourself equate with the right to violently murdering anyone who disagrees with you? If you kill someone unprovoked, you're violating their right to life and shall be tried for such an offense. Does Nature try me for that offense or does a human court do so? If its a Human court then it is a human right or one from nature? A human court. Humans are animals, we're part of nature and we, as natural beings, punish those who violate the rights of others. User was temp banned for this post.
REJOICE, FOR THE COURT OF MAN HATH SPOKEN
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On October 27 2012 07:15 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 07:06 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 07:04 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:03 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:
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Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You Who says so? nature? or we as human beings. How in the world does having the right to defend yourself equate with the right to violently murdering anyone who disagrees with you? If you kill someone unprovoked, you're violating their right to life and shall be tried for such an offense. Does Nature try me for that offense or does a human court do so? If its a Human court then it is a human right or one from nature? A human court. Humans are animals, we're part of nature and we, as natural beings, punish those who violate the rights of others. User was temp banned for this post. REJOICE, FOR THE COURT OF MAN HATH SPOKEN
lol... I guess he had a good run as humanely possible :D
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On October 27 2012 07:06 Swazi Spring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 07:04 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:03 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:
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Ill give you the first part of your argument but to push his totalitarian agenda? your really trying to push everyone who disagrees with you the wrong way arnt you. Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You Who says so? nature? or we as human beings. How in the world does having the right to defend yourself equate with the right to violently murdering anyone who disagrees with you? If you kill someone unprovoked, you're violating their right to life and shall be tried for such an offense. Does Nature try me for that offense or does a human court do so? If its a Human court then it is a human right or one from nature? A human court. Humans are animals, we're part of nature and we, as natural beings, punish those who violate the rights of others. User was temp banned for this post.
Sorta surprised it took this long, honestly though, I would've loved for it to have been a 11 day ban, until dec 7th after the election's over.
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On October 27 2012 07:34 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 07:06 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 07:04 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:03 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 07:01 Gorsameth wrote:On October 27 2012 07:00 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:57 farvacola wrote:On October 27 2012 06:55 Swazi Spring wrote:On October 27 2012 06:52 Doublemint wrote:On October 27 2012 06:48 Swazi Spring wrote:
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Please, just hear me out. By definition, supporting gun control is totalitarian, therefore advocating for it is advocating for totalitarianism. This is a very special and sensitive topic in the states - we get it. But don't call everyone else calling for gun control a totalitarian. And how would you describe what is happening in Libya - what is happening there regarding guns and what wording is necessary to not hurt "gun lover's" feelings? Gun control is totalitarian anywhere it is implemented, not just in America. You've been raised in Europe, where the people have been stripped of this right (and many other rights as well). Your governments and your media have been trying to brainwash you into thinking that guns are evil and that people shouldn't have civil liberties. Just because your government says "you don't have any rights" doesn't mean that your government is correct. Our rights come from nature, not from governments. Nature gave me the right to violently murder those I disagree with. Who is the government to infringe upon such things? Right to Bear Arms /=/ Right to Violently Murder Those Who Disagree With You Who says so? nature? or we as human beings. How in the world does having the right to defend yourself equate with the right to violently murdering anyone who disagrees with you? If you kill someone unprovoked, you're violating their right to life and shall be tried for such an offense. Does Nature try me for that offense or does a human court do so? If its a Human court then it is a human right or one from nature? A human court. Humans are animals, we're part of nature and we, as natural beings, punish those who violate the rights of others. User was temp banned for this post. Sorta surprised it took this long, honestly though, I would've loved for it to have been a 11 day ban, until dec 7th after the election's over.
Among all the silly things why did he get banned for that post?
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