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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 14 2013 01:08 GMT
#8301
So has the jury called it a night yet?
SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
July 14 2013 01:10 GMT
#8302
Not yet.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 14 2013 01:14 GMT
#8303
They actually just finished dinner not too long ago, so they are expected to go quite a bit longer. Word is, Judge won't stop them until 3:00am, not that they will want to continue that long.

It really seems this jury doesn't have anyone that isn't willing to consider the law and evidence.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 01:21:01
July 14 2013 01:18 GMT
#8304
On July 14 2013 09:56 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 09:49 TritaN wrote:
On July 14 2013 09:22 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On July 14 2013 09:12 shockaslim wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:53 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?

I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.

Why do people care? Just love drama?


Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him.



Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race.


If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now.


I think people would have given a fuck but the media would have a different take on it. Since he claims to be Latino there could have been a completely different media spin on it.


For arguments sake, if TM was instead a white guy in a suit, do you think GZ would have even gotten out of his car? That's basically the argument of Al Sharpton etc;

Unfortunately, the reason why racial profiling is so prevalent goes far deeper than this case, and it is an issue that desperately needs attention


If "white guys in suits" were the ones breaking into neighborhood homes at the time, then yeah.

This is why Al Sharpton and his arguments are stupid.

Yeah, white guys in suits tend to steal a lot more money from a lot more people.


What a wonderfully non-tangential, non-racial, non-agitprop post that is also likely to further a constructive discussion.

I hope the prosecution's lawyers and the judge get disbarred, and that the people who fired the whistle-blower get their own pink slips and all the above get sued out their asses too, they all deserve it very much. Hopefully the DoJ and the church that have been the coordinators behind the anti-Zimmerman protests as well, along with various "civil rights" leaders and organizations that done nothing but stoke racism and slander/libel Zimmerman from day one. This kind of proto-fascist rabble-rousing has been allowed to go on too long.

It really seems this jury doesn't have anyone that isn't willing to consider the law and evidence.


More likely there is 1 holdout one way or the other the rest are trying to persuade / browbeat into not being a dumbass (in their opinion), give in, and vote their way. Or the jury has fractured into factions which doesn't seem likely but is a possibility with any jury.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
July 14 2013 01:20 GMT
#8305
On July 14 2013 10:18 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 09:56 Jormundr wrote:
On July 14 2013 09:49 TritaN wrote:
On July 14 2013 09:22 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On July 14 2013 09:12 shockaslim wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:53 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?

I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.

Why do people care? Just love drama?


Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him.



Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race.


If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now.


I think people would have given a fuck but the media would have a different take on it. Since he claims to be Latino there could have been a completely different media spin on it.


For arguments sake, if TM was instead a white guy in a suit, do you think GZ would have even gotten out of his car? That's basically the argument of Al Sharpton etc;

Unfortunately, the reason why racial profiling is so prevalent goes far deeper than this case, and it is an issue that desperately needs attention


If "white guys in suits" were the ones breaking into neighborhood homes at the time, then yeah.

This is why Al Sharpton and his arguments are stupid.

Yeah, white guys in suits tend to steal a lot more money from a lot more people.


What a wonderfully non-tangential post that is also likely to further a constructive discussion.

I hope the prosecution's lawyers and the judge get disbarred, and that the people who fired the whistle-blower get their own pink slips and all the above get sued out their asses too, they all deserve it very much. Hopefully the DoJ and the church that have been the coordinators behind the anti-Zimmerman protests as well, along with various "civil rights" leaders and organizations that done nothing but stoke racism and slander/libel Zimmerman from day one. This kind of proto-fascist rabble-rousing has been allowed to go on too long.

Proto-fascist is giving them too much credit. Fascists actually succeeded for awhile. Proto-asshole is more accurate.
Who called in the fleet?
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 14 2013 01:20 GMT
#8306
On July 14 2013 10:04 crms wrote:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-whistleblower-fired-20130713,0,2426704.story

IT specialist working for the state in the cell phone evidence has been fired. Apparently it doesn't end here and the prosecutors in the case including Berniede la Rionda, Mr. Guy etc., are undergoing an investigation of ethics violations for not handing over certain evidence timely, or at all. The state prosecutors could end up getting disbarred as a result.

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1i7stu/it_chief_testifying_for_zimmerman_has_now_been/


there is a reddit thread for more discussion.


The sub-story to all of this is, even if they get a conviction of Zimmerman, most of them are going to lose their careers. If they don't get a conviction, also expect them to lose civil suits.

This story is actually years from being over.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 14 2013 01:22 GMT
#8307
On July 14 2013 10:18 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 09:56 Jormundr wrote:
On July 14 2013 09:49 TritaN wrote:
On July 14 2013 09:22 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On July 14 2013 09:12 shockaslim wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:53 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?

I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.

Why do people care? Just love drama?


Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him.



Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race.


If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now.


I think people would have given a fuck but the media would have a different take on it. Since he claims to be Latino there could have been a completely different media spin on it.


For arguments sake, if TM was instead a white guy in a suit, do you think GZ would have even gotten out of his car? That's basically the argument of Al Sharpton etc;

Unfortunately, the reason why racial profiling is so prevalent goes far deeper than this case, and it is an issue that desperately needs attention


If "white guys in suits" were the ones breaking into neighborhood homes at the time, then yeah.

This is why Al Sharpton and his arguments are stupid.

Yeah, white guys in suits tend to steal a lot more money from a lot more people.


What a wonderfully non-tangential, non-racial, non-agitprop post that is also likely to further a constructive discussion.

I hope the prosecution's lawyers and the judge get disbarred, and that the people who fired the whistle-blower get their own pink slips and all the above get sued out their asses too, they all deserve it very much. Hopefully the DoJ and the church that have been the coordinators behind the anti-Zimmerman protests as well, along with various "civil rights" leaders and organizations that done nothing but stoke racism and slander/libel Zimmerman from day one. This kind of proto-fascist rabble-rousing has been allowed to go on too long.

Show nested quote +
It really seems this jury doesn't have anyone that isn't willing to consider the law and evidence.


More likely there is 1 holdout one way or the other the rest are trying to persuade / browbeat into not being a dumbass (in their opinion), give in, and vote their way. Or the jury has fractured into factions which doesn't seem likely but is a possibility with any jury.

assuming there is no conviction. because if there is an conviction, these people are now saints. to the victor go the spoils.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 14 2013 01:28 GMT
#8308
I'm terrified at the thought of more vigilante justice going on if Zimmerman is not convicted. People like him should not be validated. They are dangerous, insecure, dumbasses on power trips who use "neighborhood watch" as a way to fulfill their wish of being the cop they never were.
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
July 14 2013 01:32 GMT
#8309
ive tryed searching and cant find it what time of day was it when this all went down? i thought it was 7-8pm but cant find it, thanks
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 14 2013 01:32 GMT
#8310
Well, as I said before, juries tend to be thoughtful. However, I really don't think that deliberations should take this long. Not that this will happen, but someone should pull the jury aside and make sure that they understand that really all they have to determine is whether self-defense has been disproved beyond a reasonable doubt or not.
dotHead
Profile Joined October 2010
United States233 Posts
July 14 2013 01:33 GMT
#8311
On July 14 2013 10:28 Mohdoo wrote:
I'm terrified at the thought of more vigilante justice going on if Zimmerman is not convicted. People like him should not be validated. They are dangerous, insecure, dumbasses on power trips who use "neighborhood watch" as a way to fulfill their wish of being the cop they never were.


You have obviously been following the case by watching The Young Turks, go back and read the last few thousand posts in this thread, then go watch the last three weeks of the trial. Then come back and say that same thing.
Aint got time to bleed
GHSTxGlitch
Profile Joined June 2012
United States20 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 01:36:01
July 14 2013 01:33 GMT
#8312
On July 14 2013 10:28 Mohdoo wrote:
I'm terrified at the thought of more vigilante justice going on if Zimmerman is not convicted. People like him should not be validated. They are dangerous, insecure, dumbasses on power trips who use "neighborhood watch" as a way to fulfill their wish of being the cop they never were.

It's not against the law to follow someone. So Zimmerman did nothing wrong. End of story.
"If you dont drop sweat today, then you will drop tears tomorrow." SlayersMMA
Esk23
Profile Joined July 2011
United States447 Posts
July 14 2013 01:34 GMT
#8313
On July 14 2013 10:28 Mohdoo wrote:
I'm terrified at the thought of more vigilante justice going on if Zimmerman is not convicted. People like him should not be validated. They are dangerous, insecure, dumbasses on power trips who use "neighborhood watch" as a way to fulfill their wish of being the cop they never were.


I'm terrified of more people like you who don't even know what they are talking about when it comes to this specific case. How closely have you been paying attention to this case? Have you been following the trial closely? Did you get all your info from the mainstream media?
Microchaton
Profile Joined March 2011
France342 Posts
July 14 2013 01:42 GMT
#8314
This whole affair has made me hate humanity a lot more than before. Glad you guys (and others too) are mostly being intelligent about the whole thing.
Stormy
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 01:50:22
July 14 2013 01:44 GMT
#8315
On July 14 2013 10:33 dotHead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 10:28 Mohdoo wrote:
I'm terrified at the thought of more vigilante justice going on if Zimmerman is not convicted. People like him should not be validated. They are dangerous, insecure, dumbasses on power trips who use "neighborhood watch" as a way to fulfill their wish of being the cop they never were.


You have obviously been following the case by watching The Young Turks, go back and read the last few thousand posts in this thread, then go watch the last three weeks of the trial. Then come back and say that same thing.


Ugh..The Young Turks are almost as annoying as Sarah Silverman. I'm not surprised to hear that that comment represents what they think of this trial.

On July 14 2013 09:56 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 09:49 TritaN wrote:
On July 14 2013 09:22 Vin{MBL} wrote:
On July 14 2013 09:12 shockaslim wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:53 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:
On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?

I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.

Why do people care? Just love drama?


Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him.



Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race.


If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now.


I think people would have given a fuck but the media would have a different take on it. Since he claims to be Latino there could have been a completely different media spin on it.


For arguments sake, if TM was instead a white guy in a suit, do you think GZ would have even gotten out of his car? That's basically the argument of Al Sharpton etc;

Unfortunately, the reason why racial profiling is so prevalent goes far deeper than this case, and it is an issue that desperately needs attention


If "white guys in suits" were the ones breaking into neighborhood homes at the time, then yeah.

This is why Al Sharpton and his arguments are stupid.

Yeah, white guys in suits tend to steal a lot more money from a lot more people.


I'm a white guy and my work uniform is a suit. What the fuck are you implying exactly? That by simply being white and wearing a suit I'm more likely to be a criminal who steals large amounts of money?
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 01:48:11
July 14 2013 01:46 GMT
#8316
I haven't delved too deeply into following this case, reading here and there, or catching some clips with some information, but while Zimmerman may have initiated/caused/brought on the situation that led him to killing Martin, he's not exactly guilty given the available evidence.

Going on the notion of the prosecution having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was a foul and nefarious thing, I'd say it's highly likely that the jury comes back not guilty. If we consider that the jury are women, and the emotional and media-focused nature of this case, they might ease into manslaughter.
Skype: divito7
Microchaton
Profile Joined March 2011
France342 Posts
July 14 2013 01:49 GMT
#8317
VERDICT INC
Stormy
DrSeRRoD
Profile Joined October 2010
United States490 Posts
July 14 2013 01:50 GMT
#8318
Looks like a verdict has been reached according to a tweet from inside the court room.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 14 2013 01:50 GMT
#8319
oh shit, its like waiting for the lottery.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 14 2013 01:51 GMT
#8320
Not guilty. They never got an answer to the manslaughter, so they must have moved on to self-defense and decided manslaughter didn't matter.
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