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On July 14 2013 08:44 Grimmyman123 wrote:
From everything I have read, and what I can glean on this case it all comes down to just a few things.
Who swung first? Obviously there was a verbal confrontation or questioning initiated by the accused of the deceased, but when did it escalate to a physical confrontation? Who swung first? I try to ignore opinion and suggestions - what does actual physical evidence say? If the deceased swung first, then the accused was defending themselves.
The accused has been shown having marks from combat - more than I would figure from a grown man fending off a 17 year old young man. That tells me that he was beaten pretty good - enough warranting deadly force? Did the accused ever gain control of the situation, and if so, did he lose control, where deadly force was warranted?
Personal thoughts: I do hate trials and such where they try to illicit personal feelings, and introduce ideas based on ideas not on tangible facts. The idea that being 17 means he is a little boy (portrayed as a child, almost infantile) means nothing to me. The suggestions in the trial about racial profiling further means nothing to me on this case. The youth was effectively trespassing in a gated private community, to which he did not belong or reside. That alone is enough to warrant suspicion.
There is no physical evidence that will tell you this guy swung first with 100% certainty. It's clear that Zimmermann was losing the fight, but you will never know what really happened.
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On July 14 2013 08:49 hp.Shell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:43 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On July 14 2013 08:30 hp.Shell wrote:
Well if he hasn't stopped trying to kill you after you shoot him in the arm, keep shooting him in the arm until he DOES stop. You still don't have to kill him. You have the superior weapon. If you are capable of firing that weapon, you are in control of how that situation resolves itself. Try getting into a situation like his and than try to say that shooting someone in an area as small as an arm or leg is efficient especially when you're getting beat to death, any blow can knock you out, and your heart is pounding out of your chest and you can hardly aim in the first place and doing something as simple as pulling the gun from your holster might seem like a lifetime. It just seems coincidence that if something as small as an arm or leg is so hard to hit, then the defender would put a bullet in the heart. To me that says he had aim.
He didn't aim for the heart. He aimed at the other guy. It could have hit a lung, the stomach, the heart, etc.
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On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?
I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.
Why do people care? Just love drama? Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race.
Either your sarcasm mode is switching on and off all the time or you are being horribly inconsistent. People have a hard time understanding which parts are sarcasm and which are not in comments like these.
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On July 14 2013 08:51 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:44 Grimmyman123 wrote:
From everything I have read, and what I can glean on this case it all comes down to just a few things.
Who swung first? Obviously there was a verbal confrontation or questioning initiated by the accused of the deceased, but when did it escalate to a physical confrontation? Who swung first? I try to ignore opinion and suggestions - what does actual physical evidence say? If the deceased swung first, then the accused was defending themselves.
The accused has been shown having marks from combat - more than I would figure from a grown man fending off a 17 year old young man. That tells me that he was beaten pretty good - enough warranting deadly force? Did the accused ever gain control of the situation, and if so, did he lose control, where deadly force was warranted?
Personal thoughts: I do hate trials and such where they try to illicit personal feelings, and introduce ideas based on ideas not on tangible facts. The idea that being 17 means he is a little boy (portrayed as a child, almost infantile) means nothing to me. The suggestions in the trial about racial profiling further means nothing to me on this case. The youth was effectively trespassing in a gated private community, to which he did not belong or reside. That alone is enough to warrant suspicion. There is no physical evidence that will tell you this guy swung first with 100% certainty. It's clear that Zimmermann was losing the fight, but you will never know what really happened.
Precisely. In the absence of contradictory evidence, the remaining witness' account of the events takes precedence and must be taken as the actual events which took place.
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On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?
I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.
Why do people care? Just love drama? Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race.
If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now.
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On July 14 2013 08:33 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:27 farvacola wrote:On July 14 2013 08:19 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:15 farvacola wrote:Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. There's a modifier missing here, unless you are an unabashed racist. I'm not sure what's racist about what I said or what modifier is missing. The question was why was this case a big deal, and I pointed out why it became a big deal. Contrary to what Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson say, not every black person assumes injustice given the information the public has been given. Generally, "black people" is not a helpful group signifier. But my statement was a response to a question of why it became a big deal. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are two BIG factors in why it became a big deal. "Black people" is a relevant phrase as to why this case became a big deal. Can we get off race now, and back to the actual case ?
Yeah, and the thing that really ticks me off about those two is that for people who claim to be against hatred and racism, they sure seem to stir up a lot of hatred and make matters about race when the issue originally was not.
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On July 14 2013 08:52 Tennoji wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?
I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.
Why do people care? Just love drama? Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race. Either your sarcasm mode is switching on and off all the time or you are being horribly inconsistent. People have a hard time understanding which parts are sarcasm and which are not in comments like these.
What do you think is sarcasm about his post? He never said he believe that, he said the black people he knows believe it.
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On July 14 2013 08:53 NEOtheONE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:33 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:27 farvacola wrote:On July 14 2013 08:19 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:15 farvacola wrote:Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. There's a modifier missing here, unless you are an unabashed racist. I'm not sure what's racist about what I said or what modifier is missing. The question was why was this case a big deal, and I pointed out why it became a big deal. Contrary to what Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson say, not every black person assumes injustice given the information the public has been given. Generally, "black people" is not a helpful group signifier. But my statement was a response to a question of why it became a big deal. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are two BIG factors in why it became a big deal. "Black people" is a relevant phrase as to why this case became a big deal. Can we get off race now, and back to the actual case ? Yeah, and the thing that really ticks me off about those two is that for people who claim to be against hatred and racism, they sure seem to stir up a lot of hatred and make matters about race when the issue originally was not.
Their argument is focused on their belief that GZ profiled TM and made several assumptions about him based on his race. That's why it was pushed on the civil rights angle.
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On July 14 2013 08:54 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:52 Tennoji wrote:On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?
I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.
Why do people care? Just love drama? Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race. Either your sarcasm mode is switching on and off all the time or you are being horribly inconsistent. People have a hard time understanding which parts are sarcasm and which are not in comments like these. What do you think is sarcasm about his post? He never said he believe that, he said the black people he knows believe it.
Oh, my mistake, I read it as if he believes the same (since he is part of "all of my family"). My bad, misread 
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On July 14 2013 08:53 HystericaLaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?
I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.
Why do people care? Just love drama? Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race. If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now.
I think people would have given a fuck but the media would have a different take on it. Since he claims to be Latino there could have been a completely different media spin on it.
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On July 14 2013 08:53 NEOtheONE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:33 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:27 farvacola wrote:On July 14 2013 08:19 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:15 farvacola wrote:Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. There's a modifier missing here, unless you are an unabashed racist. I'm not sure what's racist about what I said or what modifier is missing. The question was why was this case a big deal, and I pointed out why it became a big deal. Contrary to what Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson say, not every black person assumes injustice given the information the public has been given. Generally, "black people" is not a helpful group signifier. But my statement was a response to a question of why it became a big deal. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are two BIG factors in why it became a big deal. "Black people" is a relevant phrase as to why this case became a big deal. Can we get off race now, and back to the actual case ? Yeah, and the thing that really ticks me off about those two is that for people who claim to be against hatred and racism, they sure seem to stir up a lot of hatred and make matters about race when the issue originally was not.
Those two make huge amounts of money doing "what they do".
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On July 14 2013 09:15 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:53 NEOtheONE wrote:On July 14 2013 08:33 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:27 farvacola wrote:On July 14 2013 08:19 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:15 farvacola wrote:Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. There's a modifier missing here, unless you are an unabashed racist. I'm not sure what's racist about what I said or what modifier is missing. The question was why was this case a big deal, and I pointed out why it became a big deal. Contrary to what Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson say, not every black person assumes injustice given the information the public has been given. Generally, "black people" is not a helpful group signifier. But my statement was a response to a question of why it became a big deal. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are two BIG factors in why it became a big deal. "Black people" is a relevant phrase as to why this case became a big deal. Can we get off race now, and back to the actual case ? Yeah, and the thing that really ticks me off about those two is that for people who claim to be against hatred and racism, they sure seem to stir up a lot of hatred and make matters about race when the issue originally was not. Those two make huge amounts of money doing "what they do".
Being a racist bigot can get you money when the people you reach out to are the ignorant uneducated people of America.
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On July 14 2013 09:12 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:53 HystericaLaughter wrote:On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?
I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.
Why do people care? Just love drama? Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race. If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now. I think people would have given a fuck but the media would have a different take on it. Since he claims to be Latino there could have been a completely different media spin on it.
For arguments sake, if TM was instead a white guy in a suit, do you think GZ would have even gotten out of his car? That's basically the argument of Al Sharpton etc;
Unfortunately, the reason why racial profiling is so prevalent goes far deeper than this case, and it is an issue that desperately needs attention
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On July 14 2013 09:22 Vin{MBL} wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:12 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:53 HystericaLaughter wrote:On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?
I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.
Why do people care? Just love drama? Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race. If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now. I think people would have given a fuck but the media would have a different take on it. Since he claims to be Latino there could have been a completely different media spin on it. For arguments sake, if TM was instead a white guy in a suit, do you think GZ would have even gotten out of his car? That's basically the argument of Al Sharpton etc; Unfortunately, the reason why racial profiling is so prevalent goes far deeper than this case, and it is an issue that desperately needs attention
White guys in suits hadn't recently broken into homes in Zimmerman's neighborhood.
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On July 14 2013 09:22 Vin{MBL} wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:12 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:53 HystericaLaughter wrote:On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?
I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.
Why do people care? Just love drama? Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race. If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now. I think people would have given a fuck but the media would have a different take on it. Since he claims to be Latino there could have been a completely different media spin on it. For arguments sake, if TM was instead a white guy in a suit, do you think GZ would have even gotten out of his car? That's basically the argument of Al Sharpton etc; Unfortunately, the reason why racial profiling is so prevalent goes far deeper than this case, and it is an issue that desperately needs attention
if you want to compare the race angle, then you put a white kid in a hoodie walking around the neighborhood looking suspicious and on drugs. zimmerman called the cops on everyone; not just black people. he was paranoid because of the high crime in the neighborhood. dude didnt even know trayvon was black according to the 911 call.
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On July 14 2013 09:22 Vin{MBL} wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:12 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:53 HystericaLaughter wrote:On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?
I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.
Why do people care? Just love drama? Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race. If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now. I think people would have given a fuck but the media would have a different take on it. Since he claims to be Latino there could have been a completely different media spin on it. For arguments sake, if TM was instead a white guy in a suit, do you think GZ would have even gotten out of his car? That's basically the argument of Al Sharpton etc; Unfortunately, the reason why racial profiling is so prevalent goes far deeper than this case, and it is an issue that desperately needs attention
If the neighborhood had burglaries where the perpetrators were described as white males wearing business suits, then yes, I do. If the suspects were clowns riding unicycles, then he would have "profiled" a clown riding his unicycle down the street as well.
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On July 14 2013 09:12 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 08:53 HystericaLaughter wrote:On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?
I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.
Why do people care? Just love drama? Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race. If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now. I think people would have given a fuck but the media would have a different take on it. Since he claims to be Latino there could have been a completely different media spin on it.
What kind of Latino? Latino-American? Oh please let it be Latino-American I can see it now: Violent Mexicans crossing the border to murder our children and steal our women.
The fact that the race angle was all anyone talked about for so long boils my blood. Half the people denouncing Zimmerman only did so to 'help the fight against racism' or whatever way you want to phrase it. All people cared about was a white person shot and killed a black person. The fact that a person had died was a secondary issue. Take a look at this article:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-22/protesters-march-against-shooting-of-us-teen/3906696
I remember reading this when it was written, less than a month after the incident. Some of the worst journalism I have ever seen. If you don't want to read it, I'll sum it up for you.
Black person murdered, Zimmerman is a reckless racist, racial profiling, entire police department is racist, hate crime, law defending Zman 'under scrutiny'.
The fact that the incident involved two people of different race tainted the whole process of justice from the beginning, because that is all anyone could think about. At the time, nobody knew if Zman was a murderer or defending himself (we still don't, that is soon to be decided), but he had a modern day lynch mob after him anyway.
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On July 14 2013 09:22 Vin{MBL} wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:12 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:53 HystericaLaughter wrote:On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?
I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.
Why do people care? Just love drama? Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race. If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now. I think people would have given a fuck but the media would have a different take on it. Since he claims to be Latino there could have been a completely different media spin on it. For arguments sake, if TM was instead a white guy in a suit, do you think GZ would have even gotten out of his car? That's basically the argument of Al Sharpton etc; Unfortunately, the reason why racial profiling is so prevalent goes far deeper than this case, and it is an issue that desperately needs attention
If "white guys in suits" were the ones breaking into neighborhood homes at the time, then yeah.
This is why Al Sharpton and his arguments are stupid.
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On July 14 2013 09:49 TritaN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:22 Vin{MBL} wrote:On July 14 2013 09:12 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:53 HystericaLaughter wrote:On July 14 2013 08:49 shockaslim wrote:On July 14 2013 08:14 Kaitlin wrote:On July 14 2013 08:12 Deflective wrote:
I'm just curious a bit, why is this trial a big deal... at all?
I understand that it could potentially be racially charged, but there are a lot of murders that go on in the US, and this is absolutely nothing special or significant.
Why do people care? Just love drama? Black people seem to take offense when a black teenager is walking home from the candy store, is shot dead, the killer tells the cops he did it, and the cops don't arrest him. Black person here. I honestly can say that all of my family, and all of my black friends think Zimmerman is guilty just because the victim was black. Media spun this in so many ways to make this about race when it really wasn't in the first place. They turned the phrase, "Fucking punks. The assholes always get away" into some warped racial hatred line. Not to mention black people are almost religiously taught and are told that if anything bad happens to you at the hand of someone who is not black then it was due to race. If Zimmerman had shot some white kid no one would have given a fuck. Well they would have for a couple of weeks but it wouldn't have turned into the disaster that it is now. I think people would have given a fuck but the media would have a different take on it. Since he claims to be Latino there could have been a completely different media spin on it. For arguments sake, if TM was instead a white guy in a suit, do you think GZ would have even gotten out of his car? That's basically the argument of Al Sharpton etc; Unfortunately, the reason why racial profiling is so prevalent goes far deeper than this case, and it is an issue that desperately needs attention If "white guys in suits" were the ones breaking into neighborhood homes at the time, then yeah. This is why Al Sharpton and his arguments are stupid.
Yeah, white guys in suits tend to steal a lot more money from a lot more people.
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