Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Page 395

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Blacktion

United Kingdom1148 Posts

July 12 2013 20:43 GMT

#7881

Damn i thought it was happening then, stream started up again but its just the jury requesting a list of the evidence.

woody60707

United States1863 Posts

July 12 2013 20:45 GMT

#7882

if they are relooking over evidence to the point they need a list, this could take a bit.

Kaitlin

United States2958 Posts

July 12 2013 20:45 GMT

#7883

If nothing else, it means a verdict isn't likely to be immediately forthcoming. Presumably, they want to spend some time going through some evidence.

edit: On second thought, that can't bode well for the prosecution, as they are looking at the evidence.

crms

United States11933 Posts

July 12 2013 20:45 GMT

#7884

this has to be good for the defense right? If they want to review evidence it must mean they didn't fall prey to the garbage heart strings closing from mr. guy. if they want to actually look at evidence the only conclusion is not guilty. I mean the prosecution themselves said their hearts and 'common sense' is more important than the evidence (should be fucking illegal) so I guess the defense is doing OK so far.

DeepElemBlues

United States5080 Posts

July 12 2013 20:45 GMT

#7885

Shouldn't they already have the exhibits and an inventory of evidence in the jury room?

JimSocks

United States968 Posts

July 12 2013 20:47 GMT

#7886

On July 13 2013 05:06 Plansix wrote:

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On July 13 2013 05:01 dAPhREAk wrote:

On July 13 2013 04:58 Taf the Ghost wrote:

On July 13 2013 04:50 Plansix wrote:

On July 13 2013 04:45 dAPhREAk wrote:

On July 13 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:

On July 13 2013 04:35 dAPhREAk wrote:

On July 13 2013 04:33 Blacktion wrote:
dAPhREAk youre a lawyer right?
Can you give us an estimate of how long you expect the jury to deliberate?
I know you cant be accurate but you a ballpark figure?

yes.
decision before the weekend. they are sequestered and will want to go home. if they don't have a decision before the weekend, prosecutor should start sweating bullets because someone is riling up the crowd and that is never good for the prosecutor.

I see a future Life Time movie if it goes over the weekend:

6 Grumpy Ladies - The spiritual sequel to 12 Angry Men, where one mother convinces 5 others to use their mind as well as their hearts

The script writes itself.

"A single hispanic female surrounded by a tide of white, checks the thermometer for the 15th time hoping against hope that this time it will turn on. A white mother of two says "we all know this racist wannabe cop just wanted to get rid of blacks in his neighborhood; we all know what to do, lets vote!" A single white female (who unknown by the rest carries a concealed firearm permit) says in a pleading voice, "can we take a look at John Good's testimony once more before we make that decision, please?" While another single white female says "god, zimmerman is fat, i can see why they call him the stay puft man." Two other females smile while thinking amorous thoughts of the second chair prosecutor (not the bald one with suits two sizes two large). These are our grumpy ladies destined to determine the fate of one George Zimmerman."

The broken AC is critical to linking the two works. That and racism. Its life time, so we has to make the world look like the world is the most dangerous place for any woman. Two of the jury members will have abusive husbands and one will have been sexually assaulted in college. This will all come up in the jury room.

I'm not sure which is a worse thought: that you know Lifetime movie tropes that well, or the fact that it sounds exactly like one on first read, thus I know the tropes that well.

12 Angry Men is a classic. anyone who has not read (or watched the black and white movie) are plebs that are not doing their civic duty!! i only recall the air conditioner, the angle of the knife (since the kid was an accomplished knife fighter) and the kid yelling "i will kill you" then the juror subsequently yelling at another juror "i will kill you." =)

There is a remakes as well, which is very good and has a lot of good character actors. Its a great movie and I believe if was a play before that(or at least is reads like a play). I would recommend it to anyone who wants a good movie that is moved by the writing alone.

I loved that Pauly shore movie!

dAPhREAk

Nauru12397 Posts

July 12 2013 20:48 GMT

#7887

i wouldnt read too much into them asking for an inventory.

Felnarion

442 Posts

July 12 2013 20:58 GMT

#7888

Do they deliberate over the weekend if it comes to that? Or do they have to wait until Monday?

dAPhREAk

Nauru12397 Posts

July 12 2013 20:59 GMT

#7889

On July 13 2013 05:58 Felnarion wrote:
Do they deliberate over the weekend if it comes to that? Or do they have to wait until Monday?

they would deliberate over the weekend since they are sequestered.

Kaitlin

United States2958 Posts

July 12 2013 21:00 GMT

#7890

I can't imagine their deliberation would get past Sunday. Probably tonight or tomorrow, imo.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

July 12 2013 21:04 GMT

#7891

On July 13 2013 05:59 dAPhREAk wrote:

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they would deliberate over the weekend since they are sequestered.

There is no way they could issue a ruling over the weekend, right? But I have never dealt with a jury that was sequestered before, so they might just call everyone in just to get the jury out of there.

Infernal_dream

United States2359 Posts

July 12 2013 21:06 GMT

#7892

On July 13 2013 06:00 Kaitlin wrote:
I can't imagine their deliberation would get past Sunday. Probably tonight or tomorrow, imo.

I would highly doubt tonight. Given the intensity of the case there'd be huge backlash of "they didn't properly review" and other trash like that.

dAPhREAk

Nauru12397 Posts

July 12 2013 21:06 GMT

#7893

On July 13 2013 06:04 Plansix wrote:

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i dont see any reason why not. jury doesnt want to be there (presumably); state doesnt want to continue paying for jury's hotel and potentially security; zimmerman doesnt want to wait the weekend; prosecutor doesnt want to wait the weekend; and judge has been very cognizant of the tough position she put the jury in by sequestering them.

BigFan

TLADT24920 Posts

July 12 2013 21:07 GMT

#7894

On July 13 2013 06:06 Infernal_dream wrote:

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I would highly doubt tonight. Given the intensity of the case there'd be huge backlash of "they didn't properly review" and other trash like that.

this. Just think of how many people would say they didn't spend enough time looking at everything and such.

dAPhREAk

Nauru12397 Posts

July 12 2013 21:10 GMT

#7895

On July 13 2013 06:07 BigFan wrote:

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this. Just think of how many people would say they didn't spend enough time looking at everything and such.

they have been listening to the evidence for three weeks now. most of y'all have made up your minds without re-reviewing everything. why would anyone think that the jury needs the weekend to review evidence?

the only reason juries take up time is because they need a unanimous verdict; i.e., they need to bully the other jurors who made up the mind the other way to change their opinion. most jurors have made up their minds after the opening statements, and the remainder of the trial is based on confirmation bias.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

July 12 2013 21:13 GMT

#7896

On July 13 2013 06:10 dAPhREAk wrote:

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Plus Judges will not let them be a "hung" jury unless they have spent some time working on it. Like a lot of time. Juries are weird things and people never assume they will rule in a specific manner.