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So what do you guys think?
Poll: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty?Yes (21) 50% No (21) 50% 42 total votes Your vote: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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On July 13 2013 04:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 04:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 13 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:On July 13 2013 04:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 13 2013 04:33 Blacktion wrote:
dAPhREAk youre a lawyer right?
Can you give us an estimate of how long you expect the jury to deliberate?
I know you cant be accurate but you a ballpark figure? yes. decision before the weekend. they are sequestered and will want to go home. if they don't have a decision before the weekend, prosecutor should start sweating bullets because someone is riling up the crowd and that is never good for the prosecutor. I see a future Life Time movie if it goes over the weekend: 6 Grumpy Ladies - The spiritual sequel to 12 Angry Men, where one mother convinces 5 others to use their mind as well as their hearts The script writes itself. "A single hispanic female surrounded by a tide of white, checks the thermometer for the 15th time hoping against hope that this time it will turn on. A white mother of two says "we all know this racist wannabe cop just wanted to get rid of blacks in his neighborhood; we all know what to do, lets vote!" A single white female (who unknown by the rest carries a concealed firearm permit) says in a pleading voice, "can we take a look at John Good's testimony once more before we make that decision, please?" While another single white female says "god, zimmerman is fat, i can see why they call him the stay puft man." Two other females smile while thinking amorous thoughts of the second chair prosecutor (not the bald one with suits two sizes two large). These are our grumpy ladies destined to determine the fate of one George Zimmerman." The broken AC is critical to linking the two works. That and racism. Its life time, so we has to make the world look like the world is the most dangerous place for any woman. Two of the jury members will have abusive husbands and one will have been sexually assaulted in college. This will all come up in the jury room.
I'm not sure which is a worse thought: that you know Lifetime movie tropes that well, or the fact that it sounds exactly like one on first read, thus I know the tropes that well.
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There is always a chance for guilty, many people are incredibly stupid.
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On July 13 2013 04:58 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 04:50 Plansix wrote:On July 13 2013 04:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 13 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:On July 13 2013 04:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 13 2013 04:33 Blacktion wrote:
dAPhREAk youre a lawyer right?
Can you give us an estimate of how long you expect the jury to deliberate?
I know you cant be accurate but you a ballpark figure? yes. decision before the weekend. they are sequestered and will want to go home. if they don't have a decision before the weekend, prosecutor should start sweating bullets because someone is riling up the crowd and that is never good for the prosecutor. I see a future Life Time movie if it goes over the weekend: 6 Grumpy Ladies - The spiritual sequel to 12 Angry Men, where one mother convinces 5 others to use their mind as well as their hearts The script writes itself. "A single hispanic female surrounded by a tide of white, checks the thermometer for the 15th time hoping against hope that this time it will turn on. A white mother of two says "we all know this racist wannabe cop just wanted to get rid of blacks in his neighborhood; we all know what to do, lets vote!" A single white female (who unknown by the rest carries a concealed firearm permit) says in a pleading voice, "can we take a look at John Good's testimony once more before we make that decision, please?" While another single white female says "god, zimmerman is fat, i can see why they call him the stay puft man." Two other females smile while thinking amorous thoughts of the second chair prosecutor (not the bald one with suits two sizes two large). These are our grumpy ladies destined to determine the fate of one George Zimmerman." The broken AC is critical to linking the two works. That and racism. Its life time, so we has to make the world look like the world is the most dangerous place for any woman. Two of the jury members will have abusive husbands and one will have been sexually assaulted in college. This will all come up in the jury room. I'm not sure which is a worse thought: that you know Lifetime movie tropes that well, or the fact that it sounds exactly like one on first read, thus I know the tropes that well.
12 Angry Men is a classic. anyone who has not read (or watched the black and white movie) are plebs that are not doing their civic duty!! i only recall the air conditioner, the angle of the knife (since the kid was an accomplished knife fighter) and the kid yelling "i will kill you" then the juror subsequently yelling at another juror "i will kill you." =)
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I don't think a conviction could survive appeal even if there is a conviction. Which seems doubtful but you never know the judge has bent over backwards 95% of the trial to help the prosecution, maybe allowing the jury to vote for a manslaughter conviction is the hail mary from her that will work.
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On July 13 2013 05:01 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 04:58 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 13 2013 04:50 Plansix wrote:On July 13 2013 04:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 13 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:On July 13 2013 04:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 13 2013 04:33 Blacktion wrote:
dAPhREAk youre a lawyer right?
Can you give us an estimate of how long you expect the jury to deliberate?
I know you cant be accurate but you a ballpark figure? yes. decision before the weekend. they are sequestered and will want to go home. if they don't have a decision before the weekend, prosecutor should start sweating bullets because someone is riling up the crowd and that is never good for the prosecutor. I see a future Life Time movie if it goes over the weekend: 6 Grumpy Ladies - The spiritual sequel to 12 Angry Men, where one mother convinces 5 others to use their mind as well as their hearts The script writes itself. "A single hispanic female surrounded by a tide of white, checks the thermometer for the 15th time hoping against hope that this time it will turn on. A white mother of two says "we all know this racist wannabe cop just wanted to get rid of blacks in his neighborhood; we all know what to do, lets vote!" A single white female (who unknown by the rest carries a concealed firearm permit) says in a pleading voice, "can we take a look at John Good's testimony once more before we make that decision, please?" While another single white female says "god, zimmerman is fat, i can see why they call him the stay puft man." Two other females smile while thinking amorous thoughts of the second chair prosecutor (not the bald one with suits two sizes two large). These are our grumpy ladies destined to determine the fate of one George Zimmerman." The broken AC is critical to linking the two works. That and racism. Its life time, so we has to make the world look like the world is the most dangerous place for any woman. Two of the jury members will have abusive husbands and one will have been sexually assaulted in college. This will all come up in the jury room. I'm not sure which is a worse thought: that you know Lifetime movie tropes that well, or the fact that it sounds exactly like one on first read, thus I know the tropes that well. 12 Angry Men is a classic. anyone who has not read (or watched the black and white movie) are plebs that are not doing their civic duty!! i only recall the air conditioner, the angle of the knife (since the kid was an accomplished knife fighter) and the kid yelling "i will kill you" then the juror subsequently yelling at another juror "i will kill you." =)
There is a remakes as well, which is very good and has a lot of good character actors. Its a great movie and I believe if was a play before that(or at least is reads like a play). I would recommend it to anyone who wants a good movie that is moved by the writing alone.
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On July 13 2013 04:57 Junichi wrote:So what do you guys think? Poll: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty?Yes (21) 50% No (21) 50% 42 total votes Your vote: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Why would the jury plead guilty ? Have they been charged with a crime ?
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You know how I meant it. English is not my native language. 
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On July 13 2013 05:12 Junichi wrote:You know how I meant it. English is not my native language.
I sorry. Sometimes levity is necessary in this thread
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On July 13 2013 05:11 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 04:57 Junichi wrote:So what do you guys think? Poll: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty?Yes (21) 50% No (21) 50% 42 total votes Your vote: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Why would the jury plead guilty ? Have they been charged with a crime ?
lol. The jury's trial is after zimmermans duh
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On July 13 2013 05:11 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 04:57 Junichi wrote:So what do you guys think? Poll: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty?Yes (21) 50% No (21) 50% 42 total votes Your vote: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Why would the jury plead guilty ? Have they been charged with a crime ?
teeheeeeheeee I think he might have meant "will the jury dish out a 'guilty' finding or will they not" 
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On July 13 2013 05:17 QQKachoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 05:11 Kaitlin wrote:On July 13 2013 04:57 Junichi wrote:So what do you guys think? Poll: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty?Yes (21) 50% No (21) 50% 42 total votes Your vote: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Why would the jury plead guilty ? Have they been charged with a crime ? lol. The jury's trial is after zimmermans duh
confirmed. prosecutor to bring accessory to child abuse charges against jurors if they vote for acquittal.
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On July 13 2013 05:20 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 05:17 QQKachoo wrote:On July 13 2013 05:11 Kaitlin wrote:On July 13 2013 04:57 Junichi wrote:So what do you guys think? Poll: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty?Yes (21) 50% No (21) 50% 42 total votes Your vote: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Why would the jury plead guilty ? Have they been charged with a crime ? lol. The jury's trial is after zimmermans duh confirmed. prosecutor to bring accessory to child abuse charges against jurors if they vote for acquittal.
I know attorneys who would threaten to do that. They are not good, but they would totally threaten something that stupid.
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On July 13 2013 05:17 QQKachoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 05:11 Kaitlin wrote:On July 13 2013 04:57 Junichi wrote:So what do you guys think? Poll: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty?Yes (21) 50% No (21) 50% 42 total votes Your vote: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Why would the jury plead guilty ? Have they been charged with a crime ? lol. The jury's trial is after zimmermans duh
this just in: trial for prosecutors' unethical behaviour.
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On July 13 2013 04:35 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 04:33 Blacktion wrote:
dAPhREAk youre a lawyer right?
Can you give us an estimate of how long you expect the jury to deliberate?
I know you cant be accurate but you a ballpark figure? yes. decision before the weekend. they are sequestered and will want to go home. if they don't have a decision before the weekend, prosecutor should start sweating bullets because someone is riling up the crowd and that is never good for the prosecutor.
Thanks for the info.
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On July 13 2013 05:23 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 05:17 QQKachoo wrote:On July 13 2013 05:11 Kaitlin wrote:On July 13 2013 04:57 Junichi wrote:So what do you guys think? Poll: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty?Yes (21) 50% No (21) 50% 42 total votes Your vote: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Why would the jury plead guilty ? Have they been charged with a crime ? lol. The jury's trial is after zimmermans duh this just in: trial for prosecutors' unethical behaviour.
Actually, I thought that that was really happening.
Also some Zimmerman libel lawsuits.
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On July 13 2013 05:38 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 05:23 BigFan wrote:On July 13 2013 05:17 QQKachoo wrote:On July 13 2013 05:11 Kaitlin wrote:On July 13 2013 04:57 Junichi wrote:So what do you guys think? Poll: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty?Yes (21) 50% No (21) 50% 42 total votes Your vote: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Why would the jury plead guilty ? Have they been charged with a crime ? lol. The jury's trial is after zimmermans duh this just in: trial for prosecutors' unethical behaviour. Actually, I thought that that was really happening. Also some Zimmerman libel lawsuits.
there is a hearing on the prosecutor's alleged discovery abuse.
there is also a defamation lawsuit against NBC (?) related to their editing of the police tapes.
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^ interesting, when?
On July 13 2013 05:38 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 05:23 BigFan wrote:On July 13 2013 05:17 QQKachoo wrote:On July 13 2013 05:11 Kaitlin wrote:On July 13 2013 04:57 Junichi wrote:So what do you guys think? Poll: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty?Yes (21) 50% No (21) 50% 42 total votes Your vote: So do you think there's a chance the jury will plead guilty? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Why would the jury plead guilty ? Have they been charged with a crime ? lol. The jury's trial is after zimmermans duh this just in: trial for prosecutors' unethical behaviour. Actually, I thought that that was really happening. Also some Zimmerman libel lawsuits.
lol sorry but it couldn't be helped.
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On July 13 2013 04:40 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 04:35 HystericaLaughter wrote:On July 13 2013 04:29 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 13 2013 04:25 HystericaLaughter wrote:On July 13 2013 04:15 Plansix wrote:On July 13 2013 04:13 Sabu113 wrote:On July 13 2013 04:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 13 2013 04:07 Trizz wrote:On July 13 2013 03:55 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Oh wow are the jury deciding Zimmerman's fate right now? I have only very loosely followed this case (by that I mean browsing the TL thread once a fortnight), what is the most likely outcome do we think? Innocent, guilty or will the jury be unable to come to a decision? It 'should' be not guilty, but you never know with America. oh, are juries predictable in the Netherlands? Actually Lawyers why do you like Juries for trials rather than Judges? (One or a panel) There are pros and cons to each. Most criminal cases at this level are settled by jury. Its the Defendant's choice. Can you give me a little more information on this please? Don't bother if it's too much effort or too complicated, but in my uninformed, untrained opinion a Jury would be wildly more unpredictable than say, a panel of Judges. A panel of professionals would be far less likely to be emotionally influenced and would have considerably more experienced with similar cases, resulting in more consistency. civil plaintiffs and criminal defendants prefer juries because they are more easily manipulated. civil defendants and criminal prosecutors prefer judges/arbitrators because they focus on the law and facts. this is obviously general though, and case-specific there may be instances where the latter is true. So to put it bluntly, Juries are used as tool when your case is weaker on evidence and may be picked apart by a judge and/or when your case relies on emotional impact. To me that is justification to remove them entirely. Its a jury of your peers and they can be tools for both sides. Judges are just as bad and panels of professionals have just as many flaws. There is no best system. I hate judges in our cases because they make us produce endless documents that they don't understand and they just assume there will be ANOTHER document that will explain it to them.
I always hated the jury of peers nonsense because it's never the case. it's usually a jury of dumbshits that each side feel they can manipulate enough to get what they want out of them. if you're an above average intelligent human being good luck getting a jury of true 'peers'.
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Jury question: Asking to see an inventory listing of evidence in case.
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