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On July 06 2013 08:26 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 08:22 LegalLord wrote:
Surprisingly enough, the media seems to be almost neutral today. Not as much bias as usual. They could be in "time to save face" mode.
Time to flip the script.
"In a stunning turn of events ... we didn't know what we were talking about! We're just manufacturing drama for ratings! Surprise!"
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On July 06 2013 09:46 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 08:26 EvilTeletubby wrote:On July 06 2013 08:22 LegalLord wrote:
Surprisingly enough, the media seems to be almost neutral today. Not as much bias as usual. They could be in "time to save face" mode. Time to flip the script. "In a stunning turn of events ... we didn't know what we were talking about! We're just manufacturing drama for ratings! Surprise!"
To paraphrase some other people in this thread, you have too much faith in humanity
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On July 06 2013 09:46 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 08:26 EvilTeletubby wrote:On July 06 2013 08:22 LegalLord wrote:
Surprisingly enough, the media seems to be almost neutral today. Not as much bias as usual. They could be in "time to save face" mode. Time to flip the script. "In a stunning turn of events ... we didn't know what we were talking about! We're just manufacturing drama for ratings! Surprise!"
After watching Nancy Grace, I wouldn't put it past her to edit the eventual "Not Guilty" verdict and report it as if he is found "Guilty", since she's so used to leaving out the most significant parts that don't match her desires.
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On July 06 2013 09:59 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 09:46 Defacer wrote:On July 06 2013 08:26 EvilTeletubby wrote:On July 06 2013 08:22 LegalLord wrote:
Surprisingly enough, the media seems to be almost neutral today. Not as much bias as usual. They could be in "time to save face" mode. Time to flip the script. "In a stunning turn of events ... we didn't know what we were talking about! We're just manufacturing drama for ratings! Surprise!" To paraphrase some other people in this thread, you have too much faith in humanity
I believe in you America.
Never underestimate the ability of the media to completely change their opinion regardless of how contradictory and hypocritical it is.
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On July 06 2013 07:34 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 07:27 Krohm wrote:On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this. Are you actually serious? That is the thing that scares you? Not the actual rioting for no reason??? What? Anyway I was watching Nancy Grace's coverage of this trial finally... And well I'm at a loss for words due to the extreme amounts of idiocy. However I did notice her voice is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me. The best part will be when whites are killed due to this riot and people will still claim justice for Trayvon Martin. I hope every single person who riots is shot dead the second they attempt to steal/damage personal property, harm, or kill someone.
I live 15 minutes from where the rioting is sure to be.
I wish these looters the best of luck when they come through my door.
With that said, this trial is over. This was when the prosecution was supposed to make a compelling case, not shoot themselves in the foot with a howitzer and have chairman bao's insane spelling bee as their grand finale. The defense is winning and they haven't even had their turn yet. If the Prosecution went with manslaughter this might be an easier trial but I honestly think it's over at this point.
EDIT:
To that guy on the last page saying Florida is all old white people, you're thinking of Ft Lauderdale and Miami. Orlando is half college town half theme park town. There's very few old people here and Sanford is definitely not a retirement community.
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On July 06 2013 10:33 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 07:34 Infernal_dream wrote:On July 06 2013 07:27 Krohm wrote:On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this. Are you actually serious? That is the thing that scares you? Not the actual rioting for no reason??? What? Anyway I was watching Nancy Grace's coverage of this trial finally... And well I'm at a loss for words due to the extreme amounts of idiocy. However I did notice her voice is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me. The best part will be when whites are killed due to this riot and people will still claim justice for Trayvon Martin. I hope every single person who riots is shot dead the second they attempt to steal/damage personal property, harm, or kill someone. I live 15 minutes from where the rioting is sure to be. I wish these looters the best of luck when they come through my door. With that said, this trial is over. This was when the prosecution was supposed to make a compelling case, not shoot themselves in the foot with a howitzer and have chairman bao's insane spelling bee as their grand finale. The defense is winning and they haven't even had their turn yet. If the Prosecution went with manslaughter this might be an easier trial but I honestly think it's over at this point.
Manslaughter wasn't any easier to prove than murder.
And thanks for the snide racial joke on 'chairman bao'. How original. :|
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On July 06 2013 10:33 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 07:34 Infernal_dream wrote:On July 06 2013 07:27 Krohm wrote:On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this. Are you actually serious? That is the thing that scares you? Not the actual rioting for no reason??? What? Anyway I was watching Nancy Grace's coverage of this trial finally... And well I'm at a loss for words due to the extreme amounts of idiocy. However I did notice her voice is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me. The best part will be when whites are killed due to this riot and people will still claim justice for Trayvon Martin. I hope every single person who riots is shot dead the second they attempt to steal/damage personal property, harm, or kill someone. I live 15 minutes from where the rioting is sure to be. I wish these looters the best of luck when they come through my door. With that said, this trial is over. This was when the prosecution was supposed to make a compelling case, not shoot themselves in the foot with a howitzer and have chairman bao's insane spelling bee as their grand finale. The defense is winning and they haven't even had their turn yet. If the Prosecution went with manslaughter this might be an easier trial but I honestly think it's over at this point. EDIT: To that guy on the last page saying Florida is all old white people, you're thinking of Ft Lauderdale and Miami. Orlando is half college town half theme park town. There's very few old people here and Sanford is definitely not a retirement community.
Depends on where in Sanford. If you're past that railroad track then you're pretty fucked. Used to live on third street, bike got stolen. So glad I don't live there for when this shit happens, would hate to have to waste ammo.
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On July 06 2013 10:37 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 10:33 Fruscainte wrote:On July 06 2013 07:34 Infernal_dream wrote:On July 06 2013 07:27 Krohm wrote:On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
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"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
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De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
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"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
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"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this. Are you actually serious? That is the thing that scares you? Not the actual rioting for no reason??? What? Anyway I was watching Nancy Grace's coverage of this trial finally... And well I'm at a loss for words due to the extreme amounts of idiocy. However I did notice her voice is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me. The best part will be when whites are killed due to this riot and people will still claim justice for Trayvon Martin. I hope every single person who riots is shot dead the second they attempt to steal/damage personal property, harm, or kill someone. I live 15 minutes from where the rioting is sure to be. I wish these looters the best of luck when they come through my door. With that said, this trial is over. This was when the prosecution was supposed to make a compelling case, not shoot themselves in the foot with a howitzer and have chairman bao's insane spelling bee as their grand finale. The defense is winning and they haven't even had their turn yet. If the Prosecution went with manslaughter this might be an easier trial but I honestly think it's over at this point. You're not paying attention if you think manslaughter was any easier to prove than murder. And thanks for the snide racial joke on 'chairman bao'. How original. :|
It was a joke, not trying to be racist bro, sorry ._.
I loved that guy, he was a fucking stud. He outlawyered all those lawyers.
EDIT: Pretty sure manslaughter is easier to prove than murder. I thought you had to prove malice for murder, not manslaughter.
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Hah, here's Legal Insurrection's summary of Bao's testimony:
After Jahvaris the State introduced Dr. Shiping Bao, the medical examiner who had conducted the actual autopsy on Trayvon Marting. I can come up with no positive way to describe Dr. Bao’s testimony, nor the time at present to make the herculean effort to do so, but perhaps will touch on it in a post this weekend. Let it just be said that not only was his testimony not compelling of guilt, it would seem prudent for Dr. Bao to be exploring alternatives to his present employment.
That pretty much covers it.
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And here's the other thing of note from Legal Insurrection's post:
One aside before I fully wrap this up. To me, the biggest take home message of the day was not the scream identification of either the Martin or Zimmerman family, but rather the mid-trial motions and response by the State. Mantei’s web of half-truths and claims utterly unsupported by any evidence whatever showed the State was as hungry for George Zimmerman’s hide as they must have been when first handed the political prosecution of their careers. They would see George Zimmerman do life in prison, whether warranted by the evidence or not, or they would die in the effort. Given the almost complete lack of direct evidence, and the need to wildly interpret the available circumstantial evidence–and particularly following the utter debacle that was the Dr. Bao testimony–one could only imagine that their fervor would have diminished. Not so.
O’Mara’s response was that of a sheepdog to a wolf. If the State wanted Zimmerman’s hide, they’d have to fight for it, hard, and at high cost. Any thought that there might be a relatively brief defense was cast aside. I expect that not only will there be a vigorous defense, it will be a 10 gauge double-barreled coach-gun defense, to the head.
One cannot but draw the natural parallel–just as Trayvon Martin sought to punish George Zimmerman and discovered at the cost of his life that Zimmerman was not the easy target he’d perceived him to be, now it is the turn of Zimmerman’s defense team to similarly disabuse the State prosecutors. Their lives, of course, are secure. I would not, however, want my professional reputation to be at the wrong end of the defense’s considerable talent and righteous attention.
I don't really know whether this is a criminal defense attorney with his head too far up his ass or a criminal defense attorney who actually is predicting a real beating coming when the defense presents its case. I hope its the latter if no reason other than entertainment value. It's not very often that one attorney really gets to hand another attorney's ass to him in trial and make him look like a total moron. When it does happen, the results are rather spectacular.
The other thing that this guy could be referring to is a formal grievance. I don't know what it's like in Florida, but here in Colorado, attorneys basically never push ethics charges against each other absent extraordinary circumstances -- even if the grievance is warranted.
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What if... the prosecution is actually siding with Zimmerman on this case? Given the (entirely misplaced) racial tension, this case being tried was an inevitability (remember that the cops originally didn't even charge Zimmerman the night of the shooting, and were literally pressured into having this trial). So it was realized that the State had to choose between trying a case they knew they couldn't/"didn't want to" win, or risk physical harm to Zimmerman, the local authorities, and white people across the country from the impending riots that would ensue by letting this go. SO.. the prosecutor, in collusion with GZ's defense team masterfully construct the most ridiculous, farcical set of witnesses and evidence he can imagine and sets forth with the ultimate trolling for the good of the country.
I would be so happy if it came out 20 or 30 years down the road that this was just a Welles-ian theatrical production on a worldwide scale.
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On July 06 2013 11:03 AimForTheBushes wrote:
What if... the prosecution is actually siding with Zimmerman on this case? Given the (entirely misplaced) racial tension, this case being tried was an inevitability (remember that the cops originally didn't even charge Zimmerman the night of the shooting, and were literally pressured into having this trial). So it was realized that the State had to choose between trying a case they knew they couldn't/"didn't want to" win, or risk physical harm to Zimmerman, the local authorities, and white people across the country from the impending riots that would ensue by letting this go. SO.. the prosecutor, in collusion with GZ's defense team masterfully construct the most ridiculous, farcical set of witnesses and evidence he can imagine and sets forth with the ultimate trolling for the good of the country.
I would be so happy if it came out 20 or 30 years down the road that this was just a Welles-ian theatrical production on a worldwide scale.
I might have bought that had I not heard the Prosecution's argument against the motion for a directed verdict.
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On July 06 2013 11:03 AimForTheBushes wrote:
What if... the prosecution is actually siding with Zimmerman on this case? Given the (entirely misplaced) racial tension, this case being tried was an inevitability (remember that the cops originally didn't even charge Zimmerman the night of the shooting, and were literally pressured into having this trial). So it was realized that the State had to choose between trying a case they knew they couldn't/"didn't want to" win, or risk physical harm to Zimmerman, the local authorities, and white people across the country from the impending riots that would ensue by letting this go. SO.. the prosecutor, in collusion with GZ's defense team masterfully construct the most ridiculous, farcical set of witnesses and evidence he can imagine and sets forth with the ultimate trolling for the good of the country.
I would be so happy if it came out 20 or 30 years down the road that this was just a Welles-ian theatrical production on a worldwide scale.
You watch too much tv or something. There is no way that this even remotely possible not to mention actual likelihood.
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On July 06 2013 11:07 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 11:03 AimForTheBushes wrote:
What if... the prosecution is actually siding with Zimmerman on this case? Given the (entirely misplaced) racial tension, this case being tried was an inevitability (remember that the cops originally didn't even charge Zimmerman the night of the shooting, and were literally pressured into having this trial). So it was realized that the State had to choose between trying a case they knew they couldn't/"didn't want to" win, or risk physical harm to Zimmerman, the local authorities, and white people across the country from the impending riots that would ensue by letting this go. SO.. the prosecutor, in collusion with GZ's defense team masterfully construct the most ridiculous, farcical set of witnesses and evidence he can imagine and sets forth with the ultimate trolling for the good of the country.
I would be so happy if it came out 20 or 30 years down the road that this was just a Welles-ian theatrical production on a worldwide scale. You watch too much tv or something. There is no way that this even remotely possible not to mention actual likelihood.
I apologize for using my imagination in an attempt to satirically suggest a reason why the prosecution is having a spectacularly disastrous trial. I never said it was likely, or that I even believed it... It was a tongue-in-cheek supposition/hypothetical.
Also, I read too many books, not "watch too much TV". I suggest you pick up a few yourself so you may escape your cold, literal world from time to time... Out of curiosity, what do you think the likelihood was of an alien invasion during the infamous War of the Worlds radio fiasco in 1938?
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On July 06 2013 11:29 AimForTheBushes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 11:07 farvacola wrote:On July 06 2013 11:03 AimForTheBushes wrote:
What if... the prosecution is actually siding with Zimmerman on this case? Given the (entirely misplaced) racial tension, this case being tried was an inevitability (remember that the cops originally didn't even charge Zimmerman the night of the shooting, and were literally pressured into having this trial). So it was realized that the State had to choose between trying a case they knew they couldn't/"didn't want to" win, or risk physical harm to Zimmerman, the local authorities, and white people across the country from the impending riots that would ensue by letting this go. SO.. the prosecutor, in collusion with GZ's defense team masterfully construct the most ridiculous, farcical set of witnesses and evidence he can imagine and sets forth with the ultimate trolling for the good of the country.
I would be so happy if it came out 20 or 30 years down the road that this was just a Welles-ian theatrical production on a worldwide scale. You watch too much tv or something. There is no way that this even remotely possible not to mention actual likelihood. I apologize for using my imagination in an attempt to satirically suggest a reason why the prosecution is having a spectacularly disastrous trial. I never said it was likely, or that I even believed it... It was a tongue-in-cheek supposition/hypothetical. Also, I read too many books, not "watch too much TV". I suggest you pick up a few yourself so you may escape your cold, literal world from time to time... Out of curiosity, what do you think the likelihood was of an alien invasion during the infamous War of the Worlds radio fiasco in 1938?
Contrary to what many posters in this thread think, the trial has not been spectacularly disastrous for the prosecution. It certainly hasn't been good, and might even be definitively bad, but anyone who thinks that the trial might as well have not happened due to the prosecutions performance......well they are probably liable to make jokes almost as terrible as yours. Y'all seem to not know how juries work......
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On July 06 2013 11:48 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 11:29 AimForTheBushes wrote:On July 06 2013 11:07 farvacola wrote:On July 06 2013 11:03 AimForTheBushes wrote:
What if... the prosecution is actually siding with Zimmerman on this case? Given the (entirely misplaced) racial tension, this case being tried was an inevitability (remember that the cops originally didn't even charge Zimmerman the night of the shooting, and were literally pressured into having this trial). So it was realized that the State had to choose between trying a case they knew they couldn't/"didn't want to" win, or risk physical harm to Zimmerman, the local authorities, and white people across the country from the impending riots that would ensue by letting this go. SO.. the prosecutor, in collusion with GZ's defense team masterfully construct the most ridiculous, farcical set of witnesses and evidence he can imagine and sets forth with the ultimate trolling for the good of the country.
I would be so happy if it came out 20 or 30 years down the road that this was just a Welles-ian theatrical production on a worldwide scale. You watch too much tv or something. There is no way that this even remotely possible not to mention actual likelihood. I apologize for using my imagination in an attempt to satirically suggest a reason why the prosecution is having a spectacularly disastrous trial. I never said it was likely, or that I even believed it... It was a tongue-in-cheek supposition/hypothetical. Also, I read too many books, not "watch too much TV". I suggest you pick up a few yourself so you may escape your cold, literal world from time to time... Out of curiosity, what do you think the likelihood was of an alien invasion during the infamous War of the Worlds radio fiasco in 1938? Contrary to what many posters in this thread think, the trial has not been spectacularly disastrous for the prosecution. It certainly hasn't been good, and might even be definitively bad, but anyone who thinks that the trial might as well have not happened due to the prosecutions performance......well they are probably liable to make jokes almost as terrible as yours. Y'all seem to not know how juries work......
It seems to me that the only silver lining for the prosecution is that no one can verify how the altercation started, and there is still time to shit on Zimmerman's character ... but even that doesn't seem enough to warrant a conviction.
What am I missing?
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On July 06 2013 11:55 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 11:48 farvacola wrote:On July 06 2013 11:29 AimForTheBushes wrote:On July 06 2013 11:07 farvacola wrote:On July 06 2013 11:03 AimForTheBushes wrote:
What if... the prosecution is actually siding with Zimmerman on this case? Given the (entirely misplaced) racial tension, this case being tried was an inevitability (remember that the cops originally didn't even charge Zimmerman the night of the shooting, and were literally pressured into having this trial). So it was realized that the State had to choose between trying a case they knew they couldn't/"didn't want to" win, or risk physical harm to Zimmerman, the local authorities, and white people across the country from the impending riots that would ensue by letting this go. SO.. the prosecutor, in collusion with GZ's defense team masterfully construct the most ridiculous, farcical set of witnesses and evidence he can imagine and sets forth with the ultimate trolling for the good of the country.
I would be so happy if it came out 20 or 30 years down the road that this was just a Welles-ian theatrical production on a worldwide scale. You watch too much tv or something. There is no way that this even remotely possible not to mention actual likelihood. I apologize for using my imagination in an attempt to satirically suggest a reason why the prosecution is having a spectacularly disastrous trial. I never said it was likely, or that I even believed it... It was a tongue-in-cheek supposition/hypothetical. Also, I read too many books, not "watch too much TV". I suggest you pick up a few yourself so you may escape your cold, literal world from time to time... Out of curiosity, what do you think the likelihood was of an alien invasion during the infamous War of the Worlds radio fiasco in 1938? Contrary to what many posters in this thread think, the trial has not been spectacularly disastrous for the prosecution. It certainly hasn't been good, and might even be definitively bad, but anyone who thinks that the trial might as well have not happened due to the prosecutions performance......well they are probably liable to make jokes almost as terrible as yours. Y'all seem to not know how juries work...... It seems to me that the only silver lining for the prosecution is that no one can verify how the altercation started, and there is still time to shit on Zimmerman's character ... but even that doesn't seem enough to warrant a conviction. What am I missing?
Perspective is everything, and the relative unpredictability of juries is both one of the best and worst parts of the US justice system. All I'm saying is that it would be imprudent to underestimate a jury's ability to render a decision that literally no one else saw coming.
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On July 06 2013 07:34 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 07:27 Krohm wrote:On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
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"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
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De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
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"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
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"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this. Are you actually serious? That is the thing that scares you? Not the actual rioting for no reason??? What? Anyway I was watching Nancy Grace's coverage of this trial finally... And well I'm at a loss for words due to the extreme amounts of idiocy. However I did notice her voice is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me. The best part will be when whites are killed due to this riot and people will still claim justice for Trayvon Martin. I hope every single person who riots is shot dead the second they attempt to steal/damage personal property, harm, or kill someone.
Isn't GZ hispanic? Why would black people be rampaging against whites?
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On July 06 2013 12:40 zbedlam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 07:34 Infernal_dream wrote:On July 06 2013 07:27 Krohm wrote:On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
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"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
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"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
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"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this. Are you actually serious? That is the thing that scares you? Not the actual rioting for no reason??? What? Anyway I was watching Nancy Grace's coverage of this trial finally... And well I'm at a loss for words due to the extreme amounts of idiocy. However I did notice her voice is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me. The best part will be when whites are killed due to this riot and people will still claim justice for Trayvon Martin. I hope every single person who riots is shot dead the second they attempt to steal/damage personal property, harm, or kill someone. Isn't GZ hispanic? Why would black people be rampaging against whites?
Watch the news for a day. Go on facebook for a day. You'll see why real quick. I've seen posts of these trashy fucking kids wearing shirts with GZ's face and it of course says "Pussy ass cracker." Keep in mind these pieces of trash are wearing this shit to public schools. So sad.
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On July 06 2013 12:42 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 12:40 zbedlam wrote:On July 06 2013 07:34 Infernal_dream wrote:On July 06 2013 07:27 Krohm wrote:On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
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"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
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"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this. Are you actually serious? That is the thing that scares you? Not the actual rioting for no reason??? What? Anyway I was watching Nancy Grace's coverage of this trial finally... And well I'm at a loss for words due to the extreme amounts of idiocy. However I did notice her voice is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me. The best part will be when whites are killed due to this riot and people will still claim justice for Trayvon Martin. I hope every single person who riots is shot dead the second they attempt to steal/damage personal property, harm, or kill someone. Isn't GZ hispanic? Why would black people be rampaging against whites? Watch the news for a day. Go on facebook for a day. You'll see why real quick. I've seen posts of these trashy fucking kids wearing shirts with GZ's face and it of course says "Pussy ass cracker." Keep in mind these pieces of trash are wearing this shit to public schools. So sad.
Yeah, I see the hatred for crackers everywhere.. but this guy isn't a cracker lol. Media employing racism for views but cannot actually determine race?
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