Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Page 289

On July 06 2013 18:24 Defacer wrote:


There is nothing hypocritical about finding the word 'nigger' more offensive than the word 'cracker.'

Both are offensive. Than again, some white people will never understand how hurtful the word 'nigger' is to most black people, or 'chink' is to a chinese person, or 'fag' is to a gay person, etc.

They might think they do, but when they compare them to everyday curse words, they clearly don't.

When a white person calls a black person 'a nigger,' there is a connotation that they're celebrating (or trying to reclaim) a time when Blacks were persecuted and oppressed completely. While you may think that the word 'cracker' is 'rude' or even dehumanizing, there was a never a time in American History where all Whites, regardless of origin, were literally dehumanized and bought, sold or traded like animals.

Imagine getting in a fight with a Jewish person, and saying something along the lines of, "I should throw you in the oven with all the others!" You're kiiiiiiiiiiind of crossing an invisible line there. If you have the audacity to call a black person a nigger as an insult don't be surprised if they react as though you're trying to put them in a cage.

How seriously someone takes it may be irrelevant to some people, but that would mostly be a result of their incapacity to empathize with other people or their cultural baggage. Some people are so self-centered, immature and aloof they don't care if other people find them offensive, and get off on being offensive for the sake of it (*cough Destiny cough*). That doesn't make them 'post-racial' or 'free-thinkers,' that makes them man-children.

All that being said, a Creepy Ass Cracker T-shirt of Zimmerman is fucking offensive, especially considering he hasn't been found guilty of anything, and on a scale of 1 to 10, Zimmerman isn't close to being the creepiest 'white' guy out there.

I admit though, if the shirt had Donald Trump or Michael Jackson's face on it, I'd probably find it funny.

On July 06 2013 21:23 Msr wrote:


If black people are so offended by the use of 'nigger' then they should stop calling each other it... While I agree it is far far more offensive than 'cracker', black people are really.... lol


The prosecution lost this trial awhile ago, but you never know with some of these juries..

On July 06 2013 22:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:


Sigh... The definition of the word is meaningless. It is purely the historical and cultural context of the word. It is some curse word. It's a social identity.

When they call each other nigger it is because if brotherhood. They identif each other as being in the same persecuted outsider group. To acknowledge to each other their mutual plights, their mutual feelings of being defined by their race, of being persecuted because of their skin colour.

When a non-black calls them a nigger, the person being called a nigger is not personally offended just for himself, he is offended for his people as a whole. The baggage, the historical weight, the idea that his identity is meaningless and be truly is an outsider much like his family, much like his ancestors are outsiders.

People who keep trying to say that all words have the same weight have no idea about the nature of words.

On July 06 2013 21:01 plgElwood wrote:
Will there be rioting after Zimmerman leaves the courtroom as free person?

On July 06 2013 23:11 Infernal_dream wrote:


I find it funny that you're trying to define how every single person understand the context of a word. It's not the nature of the word, it's how the particular person wants to identify it. I personally don't give a fuck what brain dead logic black people use to call each other "nigger" but a white person can't do the same. It has nothing to do with the "brotherhood" or "being defined by their race" because if you listen to when they call each other nigger, it's when they do "nigger" things. They get offended because society has taught them they are special and they deserve more because of what their ancestors did to each other. It's really simple and really basic, everyone interprets words differently. However one for all and all for one, if you use it freely, everyone can. Doesn't matter if you're white, black, spanish, you can't yell bomb in an airport. There's plenty of black people that are never offended by the word nigger. You know what else? Those are generally the people who don't throw it out every 5 and a half seconds. Most of the people offended by the word are the ones who use it the most.

On July 06 2013 20:42 AnalThermometer wrote:
People who are trying to diminish the word cracker are the ones causing the problems here, it's typical SJW marxism in action. Both nigger and cracker are racist terms and have historical context (despite what someone said above), there's no need to perform linguistic acrobatics over which is "less worse". You should no more be playing down the word cracker than the word fag. Either you're blanket against hateful terms, or you have to admit you're okay with hateful terms being said as long as they're against groups you don't care about.

On July 07 2013 02:33 Defacer wrote:


I'm okay with words depending on the context that they're being said and the intent behind them. That's how words actually work.

It's just hard to imagine a joke or situation where a term like 'cracker' or 'fag' or 'nigger' is appropriate, even in private.

Casting Zimmerman as a 'cracker' is definitely offensive, and not funny at all.

On July 07 2013 02:41 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:


Not only is it offensive, its incorrect. Zimmerman isn't even white.

On July 07 2013 02:40 BigFan wrote:
guys, can we please concentrate on the actual case and not the offensive language that can be used. I've never even heard that cracker was inappropriate till these like 2 pages lol. Anyways, I haven't been watching much of the trial but it sounds like the defense got this case, what with the bad witnesses or counterarguments etc... and they have to present their part on Monday.

On July 07 2013 02:51 tomatriedes wrote:


It's not completely irrelevant to the case though since Martin used the word to describe Zimmerman.

If the races were reversed and a white/hispanic kid had said on the phone "there's a creepy-ass nigger following me" the press would no doubt be labeling the shooter as a hero for defending himself from a racist teenager.

On July 07 2013 05:09 dAPhREAk wrote:
the ironic thing about this whole "cracker" vs "nigger" debate is that people are going to considerable trouble to show how inoffensive the word cracker is due to the absence of use, most people dont understand it as offensive, etc. lets dial back a year when the media was going to considerable effort to show zimmerman was a racist. how? by saying he used a derogatory term for black people on the call: "coon." "coon," you say? wtf does that mean, you say? exactly. nobody uses that word; nobody knows what that word meant before they decided to google it and engage in their faux-outrage about racism. now, trayvon clearly uses a racist word to describe white people, and people are bending over backwards to say how inoffensive the term is.

hypocrites. if you want to discuss racism, why dont you at least discuss it in some measure of context: "coon" vs " cracker." because its clear that race baiters in the media and this thread only want to portray a world where zimmerman (the "white" man), and not trayvon (the black kid) can be a racist. and thats just fucking stupid.

edit: just to be clear, he didnt say "coon." that was made up bullshit by the media and jumped on by the race baiters. he said "punks."

On July 07 2013 05:57 Scootaloo wrote:
White people desperately trying to convict a mexican to keep black people from flipping out at the white people.