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On July 06 2013 06:59 ZackAttack wrote:
If there are riots when Zimmerman is acquitted I officially lose my faith in humanity.
Ah, but before you officially lose your faith in humanity, let us bear witness to the sublime wisdom of this forum one last time:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322664
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On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this.
Yeah, the "real scary part" is when people will defend themselves. Somehow fits perfectly into this thread...
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On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this.
Are you actually serious?
That is the thing that scares you? Not the actual rioting for no reason??? What?
Anyway I was watching Nancy Grace's coverage of this trial finally... And well I'm at a loss for words due to the extreme amounts of idiocy. However I did notice her voice is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me.
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On July 06 2013 07:27 Krohm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this. Are you actually serious? That is the thing that scares you? Not the actual rioting for no reason??? What? Anyway I was watching Nancy Grace's coverage of this trial finally... And well I'm at a loss for words due to the extreme amounts of idiocy. However I did notice her voice is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me.
good ol florida
yes people are that crazy here...
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I really like how thoroughly the judge considered the motion for dismissal.
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On July 06 2013 07:27 Krohm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this. Are you actually serious? That is the thing that scares you? Not the actual rioting for no reason??? What? Anyway I was watching Nancy Grace's coverage of this trial finally... And well I'm at a loss for words due to the extreme amounts of idiocy. However I did notice her voice is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me.
The best part will be when whites are killed due to this riot and people will still claim justice for Trayvon Martin. I hope every single person who riots is shot dead the second they attempt to steal/damage personal property, harm, or kill someone.
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On July 06 2013 07:33 LegalLord wrote:
I really like how thoroughly the judge considered the motion for dismissal.
Let's get real. That was never, ever going to happen, regardless of how well the defense dismantled the prosecution.
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On July 06 2013 07:37 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 07:33 LegalLord wrote:
I really like how thoroughly the judge considered the motion for dismissal. Let's get real. That was never, ever going to happen, regardless of how well the defense dismantled the prosecution.
Could've at least pretended to consider it.
I already knew it wouldn't happen, but it shouldn't be quite that blatant.
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On July 06 2013 07:41 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 07:37 Defacer wrote:On July 06 2013 07:33 LegalLord wrote:
I really like how thoroughly the judge considered the motion for dismissal. Let's get real. That was never, ever going to happen, regardless of how well the defense dismantled the prosecution. Could've at least pretended to consider it. I already knew it wouldn't happen, but it shouldn't be quite that blatant.
She would only need time to consider it if they had presented some new argument in the hearing. She knew the state of the prosecution's case, she didn't need time even if she wasn't going to dismiss it.
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On July 06 2013 07:34 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 07:27 Krohm wrote:On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
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"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
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De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
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"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
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"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this. Are you actually serious? That is the thing that scares you? Not the actual rioting for no reason??? What? Anyway I was watching Nancy Grace's coverage of this trial finally... And well I'm at a loss for words due to the extreme amounts of idiocy. However I did notice her voice is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me. The best part will be when whites are killed due to this riot and people will still claim justice for Trayvon Martin. I hope every single person who riots is shot dead the second they attempt to steal/damage personal property, harm, or kill someone.
Can't be killed if you fled the neighborhoods years ago.
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Surprisingly enough, the media seems to be almost neutral today. Not as much bias as usual.
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On July 06 2013 08:22 LegalLord wrote:
Surprisingly enough, the media seems to be almost neutral today. Not as much bias as usual.
They could be in "time to save face" mode.
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On July 06 2013 08:26 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 08:22 LegalLord wrote:
Surprisingly enough, the media seems to be almost neutral today. Not as much bias as usual. They could be in "time to save face" mode.
LOL it's way too late for that. The only time the masses of people care about these trials is @ the beginning and @ the end. The only thing people are gonna hear are "yo black unarmed 17yo, shot to death" and potentially "GZ goes free." If there is a riot, i hope all the journalists are held responsible.
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In case anyone has forgotten, the jury is likely disposed towards ruling in favor of Zimmerman. In particular, I can't imagine that the juror who used to have a concealed carry permit agreeing to a conviction given how horrible the State's case is.
Also, I finally heard Trayvon's mom's testimony. I can't believe that she identified the voice as being "Trayvon Benjamin Martin" as opposed to "my son." The State attorneys need to learn how to coach their witnesses properly.
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On July 06 2013 08:26 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 08:22 LegalLord wrote:
Surprisingly enough, the media seems to be almost neutral today. Not as much bias as usual. They could be in "time to save face" mode.
I just hope if there are riots, that reporters get right down there in the action to report.
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I don't see a riot happening in Florida. Most of the state is just old white people.
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On July 06 2013 09:25 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:
I don't see a riot happening in Florida. Most of the state is just old white people.
This ain't a local thing.
Anyways, watching Trayvon's 1/2 brother testify, this kid doesn't strike me as one who would do what it appears Trayvon did. This kid appears to be a respectable citizen.
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Regarding the screaming voice or voices on the 911 tape.
Both sides have testified that it is GZ / TM screaming.
Is it possible to determine which way the person was facing while screaming? By recreating the incident with recording equipment at the location of the 911 call and someone screaming at the alleged scene?
By moving the position of the screaming person recreating the screams, shouldn't it be possible to determine the position of the screaming person on the 911 call? That could be relevant in court. For example, screaming into a wall will sound different from screaming into an open street.
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On July 06 2013 09:37 hp.Shell wrote:
Regarding the screaming voice or voices on the 911 tape.
Both sides have testified that it is GZ / TM screaming.
Is it possible to determine which way the person was facing while screaming? By recreating the incident with recording equipment at the location of the 911 call and someone screaming at the alleged scene?
By moving the position of the screaming person recreating the screams, shouldn't it be possible to determine the position of the screaming person on the 911 call? That could be relevant in court. For example, screaming into a wall will sound different from screaming into an open street.
No matter how you manipulate it if you cant tell who is who then it doesn't matter. You're not going to be able to tell who was on top and who was on bottom by the sound of a voice.
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On July 06 2013 09:43 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 09:37 hp.Shell wrote:
Regarding the screaming voice or voices on the 911 tape.
Both sides have testified that it is GZ / TM screaming.
Is it possible to determine which way the person was facing while screaming? By recreating the incident with recording equipment at the location of the 911 call and someone screaming at the alleged scene?
By moving the position of the screaming person recreating the screams, shouldn't it be possible to determine the position of the screaming person on the 911 call? That could be relevant in court. For example, screaming into a wall will sound different from screaming into an open street. No matter how you manipulate it if you cant tell who is who then it doesn't matter. You're not going to be able to tell who was on top and who was on bottom by the sound of a voice.
nah man im pretty sure i saw the guys on csi do this one  , people have too much faith in science these days.
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