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On July 06 2013 06:10 FatChicksUnited wrote:
Are they cramming in hispanic relatives to emphasize Zimmerman's mixed ethnicity? Where's George's dad, why's he last?
George's dad is white, for the record.
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It sucks that the prosecution brought it to this point though with the stupid: "Who is screaming?" crap.
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"whats the basis for your objection?"
"fuck if i know, i didnt like that question" - O'Mara
"Sustained."
lol.
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On July 06 2013 06:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
"whats the basis for your objection?"
"fuck if i know, i didnt like that question" - O'Mara
"Sustained."
lol.
Dude, did you see West's face when omara objected? That was the most hilarious thing ive seen today.
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On July 06 2013 06:13 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 06:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
"whats the basis for your objection?"
"fuck if i know, i didnt like that question" - O'Mara
"Sustained."
lol.
Dude, did you see West's face when omara objected? That was the most hilarious thing ive seen today.
Or O'Mara's face, when the judge asked for the basis... "what? basis? I don't like the question!"
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Yeah, that was a hilarious objection.
I agree the confirmation bias is too high on the hearings of the recordings to make much of it.
I really liked the defense witnesses so far. They made their point, clear and succinctly. No endless belaboring and time wasting. Fast, but covering everything that needed to be covered.
The prosecution needed more witnesses like this.
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What are they talking about now ? Speculation?
edit: Ok. How many more days will the case last you think?
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How long do people think the jury will deliberate?
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In one of video statements given to police Zimmerman said he was on the ground yelling help. The lead investigator even said Zimmerman being truthful when explaining what happened during the struggle. I don't even know why they are bother speculating on whose voice it was when they already know it was Zimmerman
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On July 06 2013 06:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
How long do people think the jury will deliberate?
Probably 5 seconds, to conclude Zimmerman is innocent.
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Prosecution rests after mother, brother testify they heard Trayvon Martin's voice on 911 calls
The prosecution rested Friday in the George Zimmerman murder trial after a dramatic day of testimony in which Trayvon Martin’s mother and brother both said they heard the unarmed teen screaming for help on 911 calls recorded minutes before he was shot to death by the neighborhood watch volunteer.
The defense then opened its case in late afternoon with Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, as its first witness. She testified the voice screaming for help on the 911 was her son's and she knew it was him "because he's my son."
Sybrina Fulton was called to the stand after two weeks and roughly three dozen witnesses in the case. She told jurors that her 17-year-old son could clearly be heard on 911 calls recorded during a fight Martin had with Zimmerman on Feb. 26, 2012.
Fulton's testimony preceded that of Trayvon's brother and Shiping Bao, the doctor who performed Martin's autopsy and told jurors on Friday that the teenager was in pain and lived up to 10 minutes after he was shot by Zimmerman.
"I heard my son screaming."
- Sybrina Fulton
After the 911 audio was played, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked Fulton, "Who do you recognize that to be?"
"Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she replied.
Defense attorney Mark O'Mara suggested during cross-examination that Fulton may have been influenced by others who listened to the 911 call, including relatives and her former husband.
O'Mara also asked Fulton hypothetically whether she would have to accept it was Zimmerman yelling for help if the screams did not come from her son. O'Mara also asked if she hoped Martin didn't do anything that led to his death.
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton said. "I would hope for this to never have happened and he would still be here."
Earlier Friday, Fulton posted on Twitter: "I pray that God give me the strength to properly represent my angel Trayvon."
Trayvon's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, 22, also testified Friday that he recognized Trayvon's voice on the 911 calls.
O'Mara then asked Trayvon's older brother why last year he had told a reporter that he wasn't sure if the voice belonged to Martin.
"I didn't want to believe it was him," Jahvaris Fulton testified.
Zimmerman’s father, in contrast, has said the screams were from his son rather than Martin. The screams are considered to be crucial pieces of evidence because they could determine who was the aggressor in the confrontation. An FBI expert testified earlier in the week that a person familiar with a voice is in the best position to identify it.
Bao, who performed Martin’s autopsy a day after he was killed, testified that the cause of death was a gunshot wound to the chest. The manner of death was a homicide, he said.
Bao testified that Martin was in pain and suffered for up to 10 minutes after being shot by Zimmerman. The fatal bullet went from the front to the back of the teen's chest, piercing his heart.
"There was no chance he could survive," Bao testified.
Under questioning by defense attorney Don West following Friday’s lunch recess, Bao said he changed his opinion regarding the length of time Martin lived after being shot from his original estimate during a deposition he gave in November of 1 to 3 minutes to up to 10 minutes. He changed his opinion following another autopsy roughly three weeks ago that was “very similar” to that of Martin’s, Bao testified.
Bao also testified that the marijuana found in Martin’s system coul have had no effect or some effect in the confrontation with Zimmerman.
When asked if Martin would be able to move his arms or hands after being shot, Bao responded that “only one person in this court knows.”
On Wednesday, an expert witness testified that none of Zimmerman's DNA was found under the fingernails of Martin, despite defense attempts to portray Zimmerman as only firing his gun in self-defense.
Crime lab analyst Anthony Gorgone also testified that two different DNA profiles were found on the pistol grip. One was Zimmerman's but the other could not be identified. However, Gorgone said he was able to determine that it did not match Martin's DNA sequence.
Prosecutors spent most of Wednesday's proceedings painting Zimmerman as a police wannabe, amid testimony that featured technological glitches, forensic evidence and a prosecution witness who greeted Zimmerman from the stand.
Zimmerman faces life in prison if convicted of second-degree murder. The state argued during its opening statement that Zimmerman profiled and followed Martin in his truck and called a police dispatch number before he and the teen got into a fight.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/04/prosecutors-winding-down-case-in-george-zimmerman-trial/#ixzz2YD14BkQX
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George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case
The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son."
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc
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Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh..
On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case Show nested quote +The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc
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On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc
It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it.
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On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it.
https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot
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On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot
? Do you not understand what I was saying or were you just posting twitter search results for some random reason?
I'm saying that the media will never be punished for this type of shit, thats all im saying.
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If there are riots when Zimmerman is acquitted I officially lose my faith in humanity.
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On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot
The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this.
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On July 06 2013 07:03 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
The George Zimmerman Case in Pictures
"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot The real scary part is the tweets of people who are going to kill black people if they riot after this.
It is scarey. But if black people really riot after this case and attack white people you can expect them to defend themselves obviously.
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On July 06 2013 06:57 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 06:55 Shady Sands wrote:On July 06 2013 06:39 PanN wrote:On July 06 2013 06:37 AimForTheBushes wrote:Reporting like this (from abcnews) is simply disgusting, and the bias in it infuriates me to no end. Dr. Bao, one of the worst expert witnesses I've ever seen, says "he could have been alive between 1 to 10 minutes after being shot".. and these cunts spin it into "Trayvon suffered in pain for 10 long minutes" before dying... ugh.. On July 06 2013 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:George Zimmerman Judge Rejects Motion to Dismiss the Case The prosecution rested their second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman today and his legal team immediately asked the judge throw out all charges, arguing that the state had failed to present evidence he murdered Trayvon Martin.
The judge swiftly rejected the argument, but not before both sides made emotional legal arguments that are usually reserved for summations at the end of a trial.
In an impassioned plea, Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara stated that the state did not produce direct or circumstantial evidence that Zimmerman acted with "ill-will or spite," the Florida requirements for second degree murder.
"There is not a scintilla of evidence to support that," O'Mara said referring to the implication that Zimmerman acted out of "ill will and spite."
"He has the undeniable injuries that reference nothing other than an attack by Trayvon Martin," O'Mara said.
"You cannot look at that picture of my client's nose and say he wasn't beaten in the face," he said. O'Mara said the court would draw a similar conclusion by looking at the photos showing the back of Zimmerman's bloody head.
Zimmerman "did not land one blow… all he did was scream for help," O'Mara said.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei told the judge that Zimmerman "had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then as the witnesses make clear pursue him and grab him."
"There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar," the prosecutor said.
Mantei hammered at what he said are inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, saying he "flat out lied" about being unaware of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. Mantei asked how could a jury be expected "to take his word about anything."
The request to end the controversial trial followed the testimony of the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin's body and the teens mother and brother who said they could hear him screaming for help on 911 calls made before he died.
Dr. Shiping Bao testified after Martin's mother and brother took the stand as the prosecution nears completion of its case against Zimmerman.
Bao told the court that Martin, 17, was shot in the heart and said, "There was no chance he could survive."
The medical examiner said that Martin would have lived anywhere from one minute to 10 minutes after being shot as his beating heart ran out of blood to pump.
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's DNA Not on Zimmerman's Gun Watch Video
George Zimmerman's Understanding of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Watch Video
"His brain is still alive?" prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
"Yes," Bao replied.
"He can still feel pain in other words?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," he replied.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.
De la Rioda asked whether Martin would have been able to move after he was wounded.
"From my experience and another autopsy we did three weeks ago, I don't believe he could move," Bao said.
Bao's claim that Martin would have been unable to move could cast doubt on Zimmerman's version of what happened during their violent confrontation on Feb. 26, 2012.
Zimmerman, who is being tried on charges of second degree murder, has maintained that he shot Martin after he was knocked down and beaten by Martin and the teenager went for Zimmerman's gun. After the shot was fired, Martin sat up and said, "You got me," Zimmerman told police and media.
Bao's claim that the wound would have immediately incapacitated Martin is the latest example of what the prosecution says are discrepancies in Zimmerman's version of what happened that night
But Zimmerman's lawyer, Don West, got Bao to say during cross examination that it may have been possible for Martin to move a little after he was shot. "But only one person in this world knows," Bao added.
Bao's credibility took a hit when he admitted that he had changed his opinion on several elements. He originally estimated that Martin may have lived for as long as three minutes, but that was lengthened to as long as 10 minutes. He also said he changed his opinion about the effect of THC from marijuana in Martin's body.
Bao's testimony followed the mother and brother of Martin who both took the stand and told jurors that they could hear him scream for help on 911 calls made just before he died.
"That scream, do you recognize that?" de la Rionda asked Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton.
"Yes, it's Trayvon Benjamin Martin," she answered.
Prosecutors hoped that the testimony of Martin's mother and brother may have an emotional and convincing impact on the jury and that the jurors would tie their words to the opinion of FBI audio expert Hirotaka Nakasone who testified earlier in the trial that it was not possible to definitively identify the voice using available acceptable technology.
Nakasone said the best person to identify the voice would be someone who is intimately familiar with the voice.
During cross examination defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Fulton if she hoped it would be her son, because if it wasn't her that could mean he was responsible for his death, O'Mara said.
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"I heard my son screaming," Fulton replied. "I didn't hope for anything. I simply listened to the tape."
It's not clear what impact it could have the jury, which consists of six women.
A major point of contention in the trial is who was heard screaming for help in the background of 911 tapes the night Martin was killed. Fulton claims it was her son, while Zimmerman's father insists that it is his son's voice that is heard.
Moments before she began her testimony, Fulton tweeted, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he's mine. I plead the blood of Jesus for healing."
Trayvon Martin's brother, Jahvaris Fulton, also told the jury that the voice on the tape was that of his brother.
But under cross examination O'Mara played a tape of an interview with Jahvaris Fulton in which Fulton is heard saying "I'm not sure" when asked if that was his brother screaming. The jury was out of the courtroom at the time the tape was played. It's not clear whether they will be allowed to hear it at some point.
O'Mara had asked Jahvaris Fulton whether or not he had ever doubted that the screams were from his brother.
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"When we heard it in the mayor's office I didn't want to believe it was him. It was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. I didn't want to believe it was him," the brother said.
Before the day's testimony was over, O'Mara put Zimmerman's mother, Gladys Zimmerman on the stand, replied the 911 tapes and sked her if she recognized the voice that was screaming.
"My son, George," she replied. When asked how she could be sure, she answered, "Because he is my son." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/trayvon-martin-lived-long-10-painful-minutes-shot/story?id=19582338#.Udc6lfmcfmc It's beyond disgusting honestly, and nothing will ever come of it. https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot ? Do you not understand what I was saying or were you just posting twitter search results for some random reason? I'm saying that the media will never be punished for this type of shit, thats all im saying.
I think I misunderstood you - I thought you meant that these media results would have no RL consequences.
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