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On June 28 2013 03:15 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:04 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 02:58 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:56 ragz_gt wrote:On June 28 2013 02:53 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:50 czylu wrote:On June 28 2013 02:48 ranshaked wrote:
I think everyone has a different idea of what they consider "danger of their life"
When I was jumped years ago, I was genuinely in danger of my life. If I had a gun on me, I would have shot the people, but I didn't. Instead, I had to have someone drive me to a hospital with blood everywhere. It turns out I was fine (didn't crack the orbital), but at the time I genuinely would have used a gun if I had one.
In the heat of the moment, anything can happen, so in a way I see why Zimmerman shot Trayvon. and after the moment has passed, you suffer the consequences, as Mr. Zimmerman has/will. Why should I get in trouble? I was jumped, they instigated it? How do I know that I'm not going to die unless it happens? If I'm bleeding everywhere, and I'm having the shit kicked out of me, at what point do I get to shoot? Or, do I just let them continue to beat the hell out of me until they stop? Why isn't lethal force on my end allowed in order to say myself from bodily harm/possible death? (you CAN die from freak shit like being punched once and fall down unconscious) Personally, if someone ever does it again to me, I'd have no problem shooting them in self defense. If you want to punch me in the face, fine, then take a bullet to the face imo If you instigated the situation in the first place, then you will be, and that's what's on trial now: did Zimmerman instigate the situation? No. I told them to quit being rude to the lady behind me. They didn't like what I said, and started throwing punches. What is considered instigating? To me, the first person to throw a punch is the instigator, regardless of what chit chat went on before. You: "I don't like your personality" Him: Throws a punchYou: Shoots HimSome people find that line of logic problematic. So what am I supposed to do? Take the punch and do nothing about it? The entire point of having a gun is to protect yourself. If someone punches me, and I have a weapon on me to protect myself, you bet I'm going to use it. You feel threatened, pull out your gun He feels threatened, pulls out his gun Shooting occurs. Sounds smart.
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On June 28 2013 03:19 Kaitlin wrote:
"Get off" means stop following me, according to the conversation between Rachel and Trayvon. A phrase that apparently has slipped by everyone in Court and this thread.
/footstamppayattentiontome
lol, your posts keep ending up the last one on the page.
i put it in the OP so that you wouldnt have a heart attack. i fear for you, son.
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On June 28 2013 03:16 plgElwood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 02:53 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:50 czylu wrote:On June 28 2013 02:48 ranshaked wrote:
I think everyone has a different idea of what they consider "danger of their life"
When I was jumped years ago, I was genuinely in danger of my life. If I had a gun on me, I would have shot the people, but I didn't. Instead, I had to have someone drive me to a hospital with blood everywhere. It turns out I was fine (didn't crack the orbital), but at the time I genuinely would have used a gun if I had one.
In the heat of the moment, anything can happen, so in a way I see why Zimmerman shot Trayvon. and after the moment has passed, you suffer the consequences, as Mr. Zimmerman has/will. Why should I get in trouble? I was jumped, they instigated it? How do I know that I'm not going to die unless it happens? If I'm bleeding everywhere, and I'm having the shit kicked out of me, at what point do I get to shoot? Or, do I just let them continue to beat the hell out of me until they stop? Why isn't lethal force on my end allowed in order to say myself from bodily harm/possible death? (you CAN die from freak shit like being punched once and fall down unconscious) Personally, if someone ever does it again to me, I'd have no problem shooting them in self defense. If you want to punch me in the face, fine, then take a bullet to the face imo The fact you lived, is the only argument needed to proof the point that guns are not necessary in selfdefense.You would have killed someone FFS. Why don´t get martial arts lessons instead?
Because pointing the gun is easier, quicker to learn ?
What if your attackes would have been armed as well ?The more i read about the matter, i think Martin attacked and got killed for it. Maybe Zimmerman provoked him in the first place by following him. Witness "Rachel" is mentally 4 years old. She neither could read or comprehend the lawyers questions. If Treyvon was her "friend" I would guess he wasn´t much smarter and attacked Zimmerman for following him. The "Help" screams on tape could only be from Zimmerman, since he was the one having injuries he got from the fight. citing wikipedia "..The autopsy also found that Martin had one small abrasion on his left ring finger below the knuckle. No other injuries were found on Martin's body at the time of his death..." I guess Martin punched Zimmerman and got Shot.
So, because I lived...I am the bad person? By that logic, I have to die in order to defend myself.
Martial art lessons cost far more money, time, and aren't always as effective as a gun.
If he's armed as well he would have shot me far before I had a chance to reach for my gun. I would have already been dead.
Look, I'm just saying, where I grew up if I was attacked by someone and I had a weapon, then I sure as hell would use it. People are savages out there, and you have to use anything you can to live to see tomorrow. I've had too many friends shot or stabbed because they didn't have their own weapons.
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Who was that black guy/girl at the door?
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On June 28 2013 03:18 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:15 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 03:04 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 02:58 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:56 ragz_gt wrote:On June 28 2013 02:53 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:50 czylu wrote:On June 28 2013 02:48 ranshaked wrote:
I think everyone has a different idea of what they consider "danger of their life"
When I was jumped years ago, I was genuinely in danger of my life. If I had a gun on me, I would have shot the people, but I didn't. Instead, I had to have someone drive me to a hospital with blood everywhere. It turns out I was fine (didn't crack the orbital), but at the time I genuinely would have used a gun if I had one.
In the heat of the moment, anything can happen, so in a way I see why Zimmerman shot Trayvon. and after the moment has passed, you suffer the consequences, as Mr. Zimmerman has/will. Why should I get in trouble? I was jumped, they instigated it? How do I know that I'm not going to die unless it happens? If I'm bleeding everywhere, and I'm having the shit kicked out of me, at what point do I get to shoot? Or, do I just let them continue to beat the hell out of me until they stop? Why isn't lethal force on my end allowed in order to say myself from bodily harm/possible death? (you CAN die from freak shit like being punched once and fall down unconscious) Personally, if someone ever does it again to me, I'd have no problem shooting them in self defense. If you want to punch me in the face, fine, then take a bullet to the face imo If you instigated the situation in the first place, then you will be, and that's what's on trial now: did Zimmerman instigate the situation? No. I told them to quit being rude to the lady behind me. They didn't like what I said, and started throwing punches. What is considered instigating? To me, the first person to throw a punch is the instigator, regardless of what chit chat went on before. You: "I don't like your personality" Him: Throws a punchYou: Shoots HimSome people find that line of logic problematic. So what am I supposed to do? Take the punch and do nothing about it? The entire point of having a gun is to protect yourself. If someone punches me, and I have a weapon on me to protect myself, you bet I'm going to use it. You feel threatened, pull out your gun He feels threatened, pulls out his gun Shooting occurs. Sounds smart. If they had a gun, they would have shot me far before beating me up, and allowing me to get to my gun. It would be irrevelant.
which is exactly why bringing a gun to fist fight is murder.
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On June 28 2013 03:23 czylu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:18 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:15 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 03:04 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 02:58 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:56 ragz_gt wrote:On June 28 2013 02:53 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:50 czylu wrote:On June 28 2013 02:48 ranshaked wrote:
I think everyone has a different idea of what they consider "danger of their life"
When I was jumped years ago, I was genuinely in danger of my life. If I had a gun on me, I would have shot the people, but I didn't. Instead, I had to have someone drive me to a hospital with blood everywhere. It turns out I was fine (didn't crack the orbital), but at the time I genuinely would have used a gun if I had one.
In the heat of the moment, anything can happen, so in a way I see why Zimmerman shot Trayvon. and after the moment has passed, you suffer the consequences, as Mr. Zimmerman has/will. Why should I get in trouble? I was jumped, they instigated it? How do I know that I'm not going to die unless it happens? If I'm bleeding everywhere, and I'm having the shit kicked out of me, at what point do I get to shoot? Or, do I just let them continue to beat the hell out of me until they stop? Why isn't lethal force on my end allowed in order to say myself from bodily harm/possible death? (you CAN die from freak shit like being punched once and fall down unconscious) Personally, if someone ever does it again to me, I'd have no problem shooting them in self defense. If you want to punch me in the face, fine, then take a bullet to the face imo If you instigated the situation in the first place, then you will be, and that's what's on trial now: did Zimmerman instigate the situation? No. I told them to quit being rude to the lady behind me. They didn't like what I said, and started throwing punches. What is considered instigating? To me, the first person to throw a punch is the instigator, regardless of what chit chat went on before. You: "I don't like your personality" Him: Throws a punchYou: Shoots HimSome people find that line of logic problematic. So what am I supposed to do? Take the punch and do nothing about it? The entire point of having a gun is to protect yourself. If someone punches me, and I have a weapon on me to protect myself, you bet I'm going to use it. You feel threatened, pull out your gun He feels threatened, pulls out his gun Shooting occurs. Sounds smart. If they had a gun, they would have shot me far before beating me up, and allowing me to get to my gun. It would be irrevelant. which is exactly why bringing a gun to fist fight is murder.
I'm not trying to FIGHT anyone. I don't want to fucking fight anyone, which is the entire point of having a gun.
If someone attacks me, I'm going to use it because I don't want to fight. I shouldn't have to fight.
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Why is this thread turning into a conversation about whether ranshaked should be found guilty of a crime he didn't commit? Why are we having a terrible hypothetical discussion when there's, you know, an actual discussion to be had about it?
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On June 28 2013 03:10 Masq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 02:28 Kaitlin wrote:On June 28 2013 02:26 Forgottenfrog wrote:On June 28 2013 02:24 PanN wrote:On June 28 2013 02:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 02:14 Kaitlin wrote:On June 28 2013 02:12 czylu wrote:On June 28 2013 01:51 nihlon wrote:On June 28 2013 01:48 bugser wrote:On June 28 2013 01:44 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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I didn't bring anything here. FallDownMarigold is suggesting that bringing guns to an altercation is dangerous, even for the carriers of the gun, and said that it is sad that Martin was shot because of the preconceived notion that guns equals safety. A gun saved George Zimmerman's life. In this case a gun certainly does "equal" safety. You do realize that whether it saved his life or not is one of the very core issues of the trial? All we know is that Martin was killed with a gun and whether or not that shot saved Zimmerman is very much up for debate. As much as I pity him for being thrown under the bus by the media and politics, he still shot and killed an unarmed child. Now if Trayvon had been carrying around that gun he had in the picture on his phone, I'd say it's a different story, but he didn't have anything. Even if he was getting beaten, it's still just fists. He needed to have the sense to know that if he was carrying around a loaded gun. Is it unreasonable for you to believe that Trayvon could have rendered Zimmerman unconscious had Zimmerman not shot him first ? Please just answer that one simple question for me. Being that evidence can only prove that only one punch was thrown, and that punch not being sufficient to knock out zimmerman, I fail to see why you even think its possible? Sorry If I'm understanding you wrong... just because that one punch didn't knock out zimmerman doesn't mean trayvon couldn't knock him unconscious yes? A lot of people can render someone unconscious but it does not mean he had the intent to or does he deserve to get shot? yes? It's not about deserving to be shot. If Zimmerman reasonably thought he could be rendered unconscious, then he would be in a position to not be able to defend himself from Trayvon getting his gun and shooting him with it. If this is adequately true, then anytime someone punches someone with any force, you're legally allowed to shoot them and claim self defense because you could potentially be knocked unconscious?
There's not much of a chance you're going to get knocked unconscious after you have been punched. When you get punched you either get knocked out or you don't. But if someone is full on assaulting/pummeling you then yeah there's a chance you're going to get knocked out.
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On June 28 2013 03:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Why is this thread turning into a conversation about whether ranshaked should be found guilty of a crime he didn't commit? Why are we having a terrible hypothetical discussion when there's, you know, an actual discussion to be had about it?
probably cuz nothing is happening atm w/ the trial  .
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On June 28 2013 03:21 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:15 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 03:04 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 02:58 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:56 ragz_gt wrote:On June 28 2013 02:53 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:50 czylu wrote:On June 28 2013 02:48 ranshaked wrote:
I think everyone has a different idea of what they consider "danger of their life"
When I was jumped years ago, I was genuinely in danger of my life. If I had a gun on me, I would have shot the people, but I didn't. Instead, I had to have someone drive me to a hospital with blood everywhere. It turns out I was fine (didn't crack the orbital), but at the time I genuinely would have used a gun if I had one.
In the heat of the moment, anything can happen, so in a way I see why Zimmerman shot Trayvon. and after the moment has passed, you suffer the consequences, as Mr. Zimmerman has/will. Why should I get in trouble? I was jumped, they instigated it? How do I know that I'm not going to die unless it happens? If I'm bleeding everywhere, and I'm having the shit kicked out of me, at what point do I get to shoot? Or, do I just let them continue to beat the hell out of me until they stop? Why isn't lethal force on my end allowed in order to say myself from bodily harm/possible death? (you CAN die from freak shit like being punched once and fall down unconscious) Personally, if someone ever does it again to me, I'd have no problem shooting them in self defense. If you want to punch me in the face, fine, then take a bullet to the face imo If you instigated the situation in the first place, then you will be, and that's what's on trial now: did Zimmerman instigate the situation? No. I told them to quit being rude to the lady behind me. They didn't like what I said, and started throwing punches. What is considered instigating? To me, the first person to throw a punch is the instigator, regardless of what chit chat went on before. You: "I don't like your personality" Him: Throws a punchYou: Shoots HimSome people find that line of logic problematic. So what am I supposed to do? Take the punch and do nothing about it? The entire point of having a gun is to protect yourself. If someone punches me, and I have a weapon on me to protect myself, you bet I'm going to use it. You feel threatened, pull out your gun He feels threatened, pulls out his gun Shooting occurs. Sounds smart. exampleUser was warned for this post
I feel like you sir are like Galileo, and have just discovered that the Earth goes around the sun.
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On June 28 2013 03:24 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:23 czylu wrote:On June 28 2013 03:18 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:15 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 03:04 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 02:58 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:56 ragz_gt wrote:On June 28 2013 02:53 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:50 czylu wrote:
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and after the moment has passed, you suffer the consequences, as Mr. Zimmerman has/will. Why should I get in trouble? I was jumped, they instigated it? How do I know that I'm not going to die unless it happens? If I'm bleeding everywhere, and I'm having the shit kicked out of me, at what point do I get to shoot? Or, do I just let them continue to beat the hell out of me until they stop? Why isn't lethal force on my end allowed in order to say myself from bodily harm/possible death? (you CAN die from freak shit like being punched once and fall down unconscious) Personally, if someone ever does it again to me, I'd have no problem shooting them in self defense. If you want to punch me in the face, fine, then take a bullet to the face imo If you instigated the situation in the first place, then you will be, and that's what's on trial now: did Zimmerman instigate the situation? No. I told them to quit being rude to the lady behind me. They didn't like what I said, and started throwing punches. What is considered instigating? To me, the first person to throw a punch is the instigator, regardless of what chit chat went on before. You: "I don't like your personality" Him: Throws a punchYou: Shoots HimSome people find that line of logic problematic. So what am I supposed to do? Take the punch and do nothing about it? The entire point of having a gun is to protect yourself. If someone punches me, and I have a weapon on me to protect myself, you bet I'm going to use it. You feel threatened, pull out your gun He feels threatened, pulls out his gun Shooting occurs. Sounds smart. If they had a gun, they would have shot me far before beating me up, and allowing me to get to my gun. It would be irrevelant. which is exactly why bringing a gun to fist fight is murder. I'm not trying to FIGHT anyone. I don't want to fucking fight anyone, which is the entire point of having a gun. If someone attacks me, I'm going to use it because I don't want to fight. I shouldn't have to fight.
We're getting into the question of whether lethal force is an appropriate defense to non-lethal force.
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This guy is remarkably well-coached. I wonder why he is so important.
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Holy shit is it a breath of fresh air for the witness to be answering questions in clear and lucid english.
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On June 28 2013 03:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Why is this thread turning into a conversation about whether ranshaked should be found guilty of a crime he didn't commit? Why are we having a terrible hypothetical discussion when there's, you know, an actual discussion to be had about it?
Because if I use the Trayvon/Zimmerman example it goes no where, so I was thinking of other examples. Regardless, I don't think people will understand the nature of protecting yourself with a weapon. It's a completely different mindset to other people.
Personally, I think Zimmerman followed Trayvon, Trayvon got spooked and confronted Zimmerman. During the confrontation a verbal argument occurred, in which Trayvon strikes Zimmerman. When that happens, Zimmerman falls to the ground, and when Trayvon tries to get on top of him to complete the fight, Zimmerman pulls his gun and shoots him in the chest.
I see nothing wrong with using a weapon to protect yourself at this point.
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On June 28 2013 03:26 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:10 Masq wrote:On June 28 2013 02:28 Kaitlin wrote:On June 28 2013 02:26 Forgottenfrog wrote:On June 28 2013 02:24 PanN wrote:On June 28 2013 02:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 02:14 Kaitlin wrote:On June 28 2013 02:12 czylu wrote:On June 28 2013 01:51 nihlon wrote:On June 28 2013 01:48 bugser wrote:
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A gun saved George Zimmerman's life.
In this case a gun certainly does "equal" safety. You do realize that whether it saved his life or not is one of the very core issues of the trial? All we know is that Martin was killed with a gun and whether or not that shot saved Zimmerman is very much up for debate. As much as I pity him for being thrown under the bus by the media and politics, he still shot and killed an unarmed child. Now if Trayvon had been carrying around that gun he had in the picture on his phone, I'd say it's a different story, but he didn't have anything. Even if he was getting beaten, it's still just fists. He needed to have the sense to know that if he was carrying around a loaded gun. Is it unreasonable for you to believe that Trayvon could have rendered Zimmerman unconscious had Zimmerman not shot him first ? Please just answer that one simple question for me. Being that evidence can only prove that only one punch was thrown, and that punch not being sufficient to knock out zimmerman, I fail to see why you even think its possible? Sorry If I'm understanding you wrong... just because that one punch didn't knock out zimmerman doesn't mean trayvon couldn't knock him unconscious yes? A lot of people can render someone unconscious but it does not mean he had the intent to or does he deserve to get shot? yes? It's not about deserving to be shot. If Zimmerman reasonably thought he could be rendered unconscious, then he would be in a position to not be able to defend himself from Trayvon getting his gun and shooting him with it. If this is adequately true, then anytime someone punches someone with any force, you're legally allowed to shoot them and claim self defense because you could potentially be knocked unconscious? There's not much of a chance you're going to get knocked unconscious after you have been punched. When you get punched you either get knocked out or you don't. But if someone is full on assaulting/pummeling you then yeah there's a chance you're going to get knocked out.
So can Zimmerman make this case? One could assume he wasn't getting pummeled as there would have been a lot more damage to Martin's hand/knuckle than what was already indicated.
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On June 28 2013 03:27 -Kaiser- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:24 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:23 czylu wrote:On June 28 2013 03:18 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:15 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 03:04 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 02:58 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:56 ragz_gt wrote:On June 28 2013 02:53 ranshaked wrote:
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Why should I get in trouble? I was jumped, they instigated it? How do I know that I'm not going to die unless it happens? If I'm bleeding everywhere, and I'm having the shit kicked out of me, at what point do I get to shoot? Or, do I just let them continue to beat the hell out of me until they stop?
Why isn't lethal force on my end allowed in order to say myself from bodily harm/possible death? (you CAN die from freak shit like being punched once and fall down unconscious)
Personally, if someone ever does it again to me, I'd have no problem shooting them in self defense. If you want to punch me in the face, fine, then take a bullet to the face imo
If you instigated the situation in the first place, then you will be, and that's what's on trial now: did Zimmerman instigate the situation? No. I told them to quit being rude to the lady behind me. They didn't like what I said, and started throwing punches. What is considered instigating? To me, the first person to throw a punch is the instigator, regardless of what chit chat went on before. You: "I don't like your personality" Him: Throws a punchYou: Shoots HimSome people find that line of logic problematic. So what am I supposed to do? Take the punch and do nothing about it? The entire point of having a gun is to protect yourself. If someone punches me, and I have a weapon on me to protect myself, you bet I'm going to use it. You feel threatened, pull out your gun He feels threatened, pulls out his gun Shooting occurs. Sounds smart. If they had a gun, they would have shot me far before beating me up, and allowing me to get to my gun. It would be irrevelant. which is exactly why bringing a gun to fist fight is murder. I'm not trying to FIGHT anyone. I don't want to fucking fight anyone, which is the entire point of having a gun. If someone attacks me, I'm going to use it because I don't want to fight. I shouldn't have to fight. We're getting into the question of whether lethal force is an appropriate defense to non-lethal force.
Isn't that what the trial was supposed to be about before the state pressed murder 2 against him?
At what point does lethal force become appropriate against non-lethal force? What defines non-lethal force? What if Trayvon had been a professional martial artist, but Zimmerman didn't know this? Does it matter?
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I see nothing wrong with using a weapon to protect yourself at this point.
Really? Getting knocked down is a fair cause for a firearm?
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On June 28 2013 03:31 fifasnipe2224 wrote:
Really? Getting knocked down is a fair cause for a firearm?
If you got hit to the ground and that same person that hit you is getting ready to continuously hit you then yes, most fucking definitely.
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On June 28 2013 03:30 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:27 -Kaiser- wrote:On June 28 2013 03:24 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:23 czylu wrote:On June 28 2013 03:18 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:15 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 03:04 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 03:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 02:58 ranshaked wrote:On June 28 2013 02:56 ragz_gt wrote:
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If you instigated the situation in the first place, then you will be, and that's what's on trial now: did Zimmerman instigate the situation? No. I told them to quit being rude to the lady behind me. They didn't like what I said, and started throwing punches. What is considered instigating? To me, the first person to throw a punch is the instigator, regardless of what chit chat went on before. You: "I don't like your personality" Him: Throws a punchYou: Shoots HimSome people find that line of logic problematic. So what am I supposed to do? Take the punch and do nothing about it? The entire point of having a gun is to protect yourself. If someone punches me, and I have a weapon on me to protect myself, you bet I'm going to use it. You feel threatened, pull out your gun He feels threatened, pulls out his gun Shooting occurs. Sounds smart. If they had a gun, they would have shot me far before beating me up, and allowing me to get to my gun. It would be irrevelant. which is exactly why bringing a gun to fist fight is murder. I'm not trying to FIGHT anyone. I don't want to fucking fight anyone, which is the entire point of having a gun. If someone attacks me, I'm going to use it because I don't want to fight. I shouldn't have to fight. We're getting into the question of whether lethal force is an appropriate defense to non-lethal force. Isn't that what the trial was supposed to be about before the state pressed murder 2 against him? At what point does lethal force become appropriate against non-lethal force? What defines non-lethal force? What if Trayvon had been a professional martial artist, but Zimmerman didn't know this? Does it matter?
Well, if you get punched once and fall--is that valid reason to shoot someone in the chest?
After you follow him
At night
After he already ran from you
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On June 28 2013 03:32 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:31 fifasnipe2224 wrote:
Really? Getting knocked down is a fair cause for a firearm? If you got hit to the ground and that same person that hit you is getting ready to continuously hit you then yes, most fucking definitely.
How can you be sure that 'same person that hit you is getting ready to continuously hit you'?
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