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On March 20 2012 07:27 ArcticRaven wrote:
The Figaro journalists are given direct orders to always favor Sarkozy. I don't think this is just normal political bias, as one of his closest friends owns the company. As for 80% of the journalists being left-wing.... what the hell is this figure ?
The rest of the points still stand - good luck trying to prove Bettencourt didn't enjoy preferential treatment.
Lol, I'll give you a source for my 80% figure when you give me a source for the bolded statement
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Le Figaro's case is actually very particular. A month ago, the journalists adressed an open letter to the director, asking for an approach that wouldn't be so ridiculously in favor of one candidate (not even in favor of the right, in favor of ONE candidate).
Regarding to Fabius' vice-presidents, Aubry and Baroin (right wing) have the same "problem", which however isn't really a problem when each one of them has a salary of 1900€ per month. In the case of Lille, it is justified by the size of the city ; in Fabius' case, I don't know. But that story is mostly a scarecrow.
By the way, doesn't it bother anyone that Merkel and Cameron meddle into our political affairs? Seriously, this is starting to piss me off. Wether it's the left or the right wing, this is a frigging french election, and I find it outrageous that foreign presidents even dare giving their opinion on the candidates.
Just mind your own damn business.
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So geiko, when you are proved wrong, you give up the debate and say it wasn't important ? 
Of course political projects count. But these aren't things we can really discuss objectively IMHO. In the end from what i see every day, it comes down to blind beliefs.
Edit : my source ? Just go ask the friggin journalists themselves - they adressed a friggin open letter to the director. Where is your source now ?
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Kukaracha i'm pretty sure it is Sarkozy who asked Merkel and Cameron to make it explicit that they supported him and not Hollande (even refusing to meet the second). It is another way of tricking people into voting for him, being presented as the only president that Europe will accept.
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On March 20 2012 07:33 ArcticRaven wrote:So geiko, when you are proved wrong, you give up the debate and say it wasn't important ? Of course political projects count. But these aren't things we can really discuss objectively IMHO. In the end from what i see every day, it comes down to blind beliefs. Edit : my source ? Just go ask the friggin journalists themselves - they adressed a friggin open letter to the director. Where is your source now ?
I don't understand what you want to talk about. You believe Sarkozy is involved in the Bettancourt affair, and I don't. So far nothing has been proven.
Regarding the possible financing of Sarkozy's campaign, I think it's important to note that the budget for Royal and Sarkozy's campaign have been proven to be identical.
Regarding your edit, that letter was written by left-wing syndicates during a presidential campaign... bias much ?
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Such things are never made public but it's kind of obvious for me.
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On March 20 2012 07:31 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 07:27 ArcticRaven wrote:
The Figaro journalists are given direct orders to always favor Sarkozy. I don't think this is just normal political bias, as one of his closest friends owns the company. As for 80% of the journalists being left-wing.... what the hell is this figure ?
The rest of the points still stand - good luck trying to prove Bettencourt didn't enjoy preferential treatment. Lol, I'll give you a source for my 80% figure when you give me a source for the bolded statement + Show Spoiler +
http://news.infos-tele.fr/motion-de-la-redaction-a-l-encontre-d-etienne-mougeotte-au-figaro/
For non French speaker, journalists of the Figaro asking that actuality should be treated in a less biased way and that Le Figaro should not be the newspaper of a party, a gouvernment or a president of the republic.
I guess it won't be enough for you.
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Kukaracha - le nouvel obs is quite left-wing ^^. The open letter itself is a lot more interesting, although Mougeotte's declaration sure is, too.
Geiko : Bettencourt has financed Sarkozy's campaign,.his wife works for her, the fisc never visits her. That's interest conflict in its purest form. And how was the letter written by a left-wing syndicate - there's no such thing in Le Figaro. It would be so absurd.
Every other point still stands, not only this one is right, but it's not the only one. Your source ?
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On March 20 2012 07:29 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 07:24 Mysti_ wrote:
Geiko is like 100 times more biased than the op I doubt he'll recognize being wrong anyway Nouar you should give up :p
I've heard about so many corruption scandals and shameful things that I could hardly list them all without forgetting some. Yet one can argue that Hollande is no different but at least he is way more respectful and discrete than Sarkozy is.
What he said recently to the journalist made me think of a Napoléon's quote: "To attach no importance to public opinion is a proof that you do not merit its suffrage.". And I also bursted of laugh when I heard Carla Bruni (his wife) tell journalists that they are modest people.
I'm hoping Mélenchon will make it to the second round, he's the only worthy candidate imo but I fear it won't happen as there is no place for honesty in politic unfortunately. It's all about stupid promises and making people trust you and vote for you and then once you get elected you do what you want and you don't give a fuck about them anymore. Of course I'm biased, I'm defending an opinion  The OP is pretending to be neutral, when he isn't. I find it sad that the only thing you have against Sarkozy is the Fouquet's, the Raybans and the "soit-disant" affairs, when I'd be more interested in debating over actual economy politics and reform that really matter. So far, no one has discussed any of the candidates project...
That's kinda normal, seeing as Sarkozy hasn't actually unveiled his program 
I'll stop there, if you can't see the neutrality of people... All journalists are biased, the op is biased, everyone is against us, oh my god.
I'm not even from the left wing. lol. I just hope you are really just defending your opinion and not trusting blindly all that is presented to you by ump. (which doesn't show here, but can still happen, like it doesn't show that I'm actually more from the right wing in my posts)
As a good bye present, here's the transcript of an interview between Sarkozy and a farmer two weeks ago :
"In agriculture we are not at the 35h, you know"
"I'm not either"
"we don't have your salary, we have nothing, barely enough to live"
"And I don't own 40 hectares, ok ? ok ?"
I'm sure he knows all small peasants like them are heavily indebted But he's disconnected from the life of normal people. Same for NKM, with her 4euros subway ticket, when she's the head of the ministry of transport lol. Just out of sync.
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I'm suprised there is so much vote intentions for Mélenchon ; but as far as I know, he's indeniably the only charismatic candidate this time. I have to take a shot at his real propositions. Might be the first time ever one dude obtains my vote...
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We could also talk about "Mariane" and "L'Humanité" choice of articles... I don't see where the problem is that a right wing newspaper promotes right-wing ideas ?
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Oh, it was more to provide a source for the fact, but what happened is in the end very simple.
I'm really hesitating between Hollande and Mélenchon, but I believe that voting Mélenchon is simply too different from the Sarkozy era. The transition needs to be smoother, especially now that the Senate was won by the left-wing... and I also have no idea on how he wants to raise the minimum wage by 300 while taxing financial operations.
It's more about the opportunity of having a leftist government with no internal opposition than just voting for the left. Things need to change, and this is a good occasion.
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Nice work from OP, honnestly it's huge.
Sadly, you're work is way better work than any candidates will ever do. Empty speech, empty vision of future. The degree zero on the Kelvin scale. The absolute vacuum. Here's the reality of french politic guys.
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On March 20 2012 07:50 Geiko wrote:
We could also talk about "Mariane" and "L'Humanité" choice of articles... I don't see where the problem is that a right wing newspaper promotes right-wing ideas ?
That's not a problem indeed. But if the journalist themselve feel like there's a problem you might want to think this a bit more.
Hint : L'Humanité is the better example in your case.
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On March 20 2012 07:50 Geiko wrote:
We could also talk about "Mariane" and "L'Humanité" choice of articles... I don't see where the problem is that a right wing newspaper promotes right-wing ideas ?
Well, those are not big newspapers, and they don't try to hide it. L'Humanité is painted in red and only communists read it, Marianne is a magazine...
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On March 20 2012 07:48 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 07:29 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 07:24 Mysti_ wrote:
Geiko is like 100 times more biased than the op I doubt he'll recognize being wrong anyway Nouar you should give up :p
I've heard about so many corruption scandals and shameful things that I could hardly list them all without forgetting some. Yet one can argue that Hollande is no different but at least he is way more respectful and discrete than Sarkozy is.
What he said recently to the journalist made me think of a Napoléon's quote: "To attach no importance to public opinion is a proof that you do not merit its suffrage.". And I also bursted of laugh when I heard Carla Bruni (his wife) tell journalists that they are modest people.
I'm hoping Mélenchon will make it to the second round, he's the only worthy candidate imo but I fear it won't happen as there is no place for honesty in politic unfortunately. It's all about stupid promises and making people trust you and vote for you and then once you get elected you do what you want and you don't give a fuck about them anymore. Of course I'm biased, I'm defending an opinion The OP is pretending to be neutral, when he isn't. I find it sad that the only thing you have against Sarkozy is the Fouquet's, the Raybans and the "soit-disant" affairs, when I'd be more interested in debating over actual economy politics and reform that really matter. So far, no one has discussed any of the candidates project... That's kinda normal, seeing as Sarkozy hasn't actually unveiled his program I'll stop there, if you can't see the neutrality of people... All journalists are biased, the op is biased, everyone is against us, oh my god. I'm not even from the left wing. lol. I just hope you are really just defending your opinion and not trusting blindly all that is presented to you by ump. (which doesn't show here, but can still happen, like it doesn't show that I'm actually more from the right wing in my posts) As a good bye present, here's the transcript of an interview between Sarkozy and a farmer two weeks ago : "In agriculture we are not at the 35h, you know" "I'm not either" "we don't have your salary, we have nothing, barely enough to live" "And I don't own 40 hectares, ok ? ok ?" I'm sure he knows all small peasants like them are heavily indebted But he's disconnected from the life of normal people. Same for NKM, with her 4euros subway ticket, when she's the head of the ministry of transport lol. Just out of sync.
Lol such low level arguments...
I also have a video of François Hollande saying "I don't like rich people", if you want the debate to sink this low.
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On March 20 2012 07:50 Geiko wrote:
We could also talk about "Mariane" and "L'Humanité" choice of articles... I don't see where the problem is that a right wing newspaper promotes right-wing ideas ?
This is surrender man..... at least these aren't owne by one of the closed friends of a candidate, and journalists aren't forced to write what the director's opinions dictate. You just know you are wrong there, don't be of such mauvaise foi
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On March 20 2012 07:53 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 07:48 Nouar wrote:On March 20 2012 07:29 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 07:24 Mysti_ wrote:
Geiko is like 100 times more biased than the op I doubt he'll recognize being wrong anyway Nouar you should give up :p
I've heard about so many corruption scandals and shameful things that I could hardly list them all without forgetting some. Yet one can argue that Hollande is no different but at least he is way more respectful and discrete than Sarkozy is.
What he said recently to the journalist made me think of a Napoléon's quote: "To attach no importance to public opinion is a proof that you do not merit its suffrage.". And I also bursted of laugh when I heard Carla Bruni (his wife) tell journalists that they are modest people.
I'm hoping Mélenchon will make it to the second round, he's the only worthy candidate imo but I fear it won't happen as there is no place for honesty in politic unfortunately. It's all about stupid promises and making people trust you and vote for you and then once you get elected you do what you want and you don't give a fuck about them anymore. Of course I'm biased, I'm defending an opinion The OP is pretending to be neutral, when he isn't. I find it sad that the only thing you have against Sarkozy is the Fouquet's, the Raybans and the "soit-disant" affairs, when I'd be more interested in debating over actual economy politics and reform that really matter. So far, no one has discussed any of the candidates project... That's kinda normal, seeing as Sarkozy hasn't actually unveiled his program I'll stop there, if you can't see the neutrality of people... All journalists are biased, the op is biased, everyone is against us, oh my god. I'm not even from the left wing. lol. I just hope you are really just defending your opinion and not trusting blindly all that is presented to you by ump. (which doesn't show here, but can still happen, like it doesn't show that I'm actually more from the right wing in my posts) As a good bye present, here's the transcript of an interview between Sarkozy and a farmer two weeks ago : "In agriculture we are not at the 35h, you know" "I'm not either" "we don't have your salary, we have nothing, barely enough to live" "And I don't own 40 hectares, ok ? ok ?" I'm sure he knows all small peasants like them are heavily indebted But he's disconnected from the life of normal people. Same for NKM, with her 4euros subway ticket, when she's the head of the ministry of transport lol. Just out of sync. Lol such low level arguments... I also have a video of François Hollande saying "I don't like rich people", if you want the debate to sink this low.
How is it low when it's this kind of little quotes, and there's a whole lot of them, addressed to REGULAR PEOPLE and not from politicians to politicians or journalists, which makes him hated by a non-marginal portion of the population. You're supposed to have dignity as a president. And you didn't give your source for the 80%, while the others provided theirs. I'd like an answer on my big post from Page 3, too, please. That'd be interesting for me. Now, good night.
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None of the presidential candidates are remotely worth voting for. They're all either hugely incompetent or lying scum. It's actually pretty fucking stupid how bad the candidates these year are.
In the interest of not running the country further down shit creek highway though, I'm voting Sarkozy, as should everyone else. Hollande has no idea what he's doing and he'd be a huge fucking joke on an international scale...
But Sarkozy is like... MEH.
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