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On March 20 2012 08:18 Mvrio wrote:
thanks for the info man I always love knowing about other nations' politics. a few questions though from this american
you showed us about 5 candidates and their parties representations, but are there usually always a top 2 or 3 parties in the final long run? in America we have multiple parties but the only serious ones that have any chance which are democrats and republicans, there are green and socio etc etc but they have zero chance of getting far at all in the next 3 lifetimes. the closest a socialist ever got was 3 socialist town mayors in Wisconsin in the 90's. I know italy's parties can fluctuate between 3 or 4 major parties. is yours the same?
hows your voter turnout? the US' is like 70% of all possible voters at best
also in the beginning of your OP you said that you can be 18 become a candidate if you meet requirements of 500 supporters... has a youngling ever happened or who's your youngest ever?
Usually, there are indeed only 2/3 parties who can pretend to stand a chance to go to the 2nd round. But our system is much less bipolar than yours. In 2002, Jean-Marie Lepen made a huge upset when he managed to get second place in the first round, therefore qualifying for the second round over the socialist candidate, even though Jean-Marie Lepen had no chance to ever win second round. In 2007, François Bayrou (centrist) got a very good score (18%) when the runner-up (Ségolène Royal) got 25%. And most polls showed that he would probably have won the second round had he qualified.
This year, polls show that Sarkozy and Hollande are far ahead, but an upset is always possible (though unlikely).
Voter turnout is the lowest for the presidential election (compared to every other election in France). It is around 80%
Abstention in France
Youngest candidate ever is (if I am not mistaken) Olivier Besancenot who was 28 in 2002. He got 4.25% in first round representing the "Ligue Communiste Révolutionnaire", a trotskist party.
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On March 20 2012 08:39 Mysti_ wrote:You are smart if you do so  .
I haven't watched his show, could any of you enlighten me on how he plans on financing his social measures (augmentation of the smic to 1700€ for example) ?
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On March 20 2012 08:40 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 08:38 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 08:35 Agathon wrote:On March 20 2012 08:21 keioh wrote:On March 20 2012 08:01 Incognoto wrote:
None of the presidential candidates are remotely worth voting for. They're all either hugely incompetent or lying scum. It's actually pretty fucking stupid how bad the candidates these year are.
In the interest of not running the country further down shit creek highway though, I'm voting Sarkozy, as should everyone else. Hollande has no idea what he's doing and he'd be a huge fucking joke on an international scale...
But Sarkozy is like... MEH. I agree on one part : voting for Hollande would be the biggest mistake ever made by a Human being (Artosis style), and actually nearly 40% of registered voters will do this. This guys lacks everything a leader should have. The socialists seems so retarded, disconnected would be a more accurate term. But voting for Sarkozy would arguably be the biggest mistake ever made by a Human being too : this guy is utter shit. He has countradicted himself so much time... He spent his first 3 years bling-blinging his way and looking like those pesky little dogs you can see at grandma's feet. Now suddenly he acts like he cares... and he fails dramatically again. And guess what ? Those two will be 99% sure on the second turn. This is the true problem : we voters have no alternative. A vegetable or a pesky teckel. I don't even want to think about their program : those guys are far too intricated in so much shit their ideas have no real weight compared to the shit we're already in. Also, don't be fooled : they will do the same thing. You know why ? Hollande can't say no if you smash his fingers, and Sarkozy is already at Merckel & co.'s feet. You want to vote for anyone else ? Enjoy your "useless" vote ; they even acknowledge it by saying "vote useful : vote for UMP/PS". I don't even understand the point of having more than 2 candidate (in fact, they're both awful, so one or another is the same as far as I'm concerned), any elections since the beginning of the 5th republic has been the same, with the very exception of 2002, where socialists where so shitty the National-Front passed them up in the first turn, and they made you think that "YOU HAVE TO VOTE CHIRAC, UNLESS GODWIN POINT EVERYWHERE" and then he got 82% of voices. TL;DR : Voting Sarkozy is asking for salt in the anal rape we are already suffering ; voting Hollande is asking to take it in the mouth instead. Sadly, we don't have choice because any other candidate will lose at the first turn. You said it without saying it ; We have no choice. Whe are supposed to live in a democracy and the have to choose one man or woman between a bunch of dumbass bro. You know, democracy, the rule of the people by the people. How the hell are they close to people? At least De Gaulle made his proof. And i'm deeply from the left. There's just nobody to reprensent french people. I don't know, maybe whe have the candidates whe diserse. Dunno, all this compain just piss me off. So you don't think of Mélenchon as a worthy candidate ? Did you watch "Des paroles et des actes" with him ? The one with Le Pen lol? (with the "lol" you've my answer...)
No, the one I linked previously. He wasn't the main guest in the one with Lepen and he didn't even get to debate as Marine refused to speak to him with the excuse that he wasn't a "serious" candidate with 10% vote intentions (wich is a shame if you ask me she just fled the debate as she knew he was of a higher caliber than her).
Here it is :+ Show Spoiler +
I can't tell you how much I would like everyone interested in this election to listen to it fully before coming to the conclusion that all candidates are the same and nobody stands out.
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On March 20 2012 08:41 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 08:39 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 08:38 AIOL! wrote:Go melenchon !! I'm voting for him atm You are smart if you do so . I haven't watched his show, could any of you enlighten me on how he plans on financing his social measures (augmentation of the smic to 1700€ for example) ?
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBvkNhKzrpw (at 43:50)
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On March 20 2012 08:48 Mysti_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 08:40 Agathon wrote:On March 20 2012 08:38 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 08:35 Agathon wrote:On March 20 2012 08:21 keioh wrote:On March 20 2012 08:01 Incognoto wrote:
None of the presidential candidates are remotely worth voting for. They're all either hugely incompetent or lying scum. It's actually pretty fucking stupid how bad the candidates these year are.
In the interest of not running the country further down shit creek highway though, I'm voting Sarkozy, as should everyone else. Hollande has no idea what he's doing and he'd be a huge fucking joke on an international scale...
But Sarkozy is like... MEH. I agree on one part : voting for Hollande would be the biggest mistake ever made by a Human being (Artosis style), and actually nearly 40% of registered voters will do this. This guys lacks everything a leader should have. The socialists seems so retarded, disconnected would be a more accurate term. But voting for Sarkozy would arguably be the biggest mistake ever made by a Human being too : this guy is utter shit. He has countradicted himself so much time... He spent his first 3 years bling-blinging his way and looking like those pesky little dogs you can see at grandma's feet. Now suddenly he acts like he cares... and he fails dramatically again. And guess what ? Those two will be 99% sure on the second turn. This is the true problem : we voters have no alternative. A vegetable or a pesky teckel. I don't even want to think about their program : those guys are far too intricated in so much shit their ideas have no real weight compared to the shit we're already in. Also, don't be fooled : they will do the same thing. You know why ? Hollande can't say no if you smash his fingers, and Sarkozy is already at Merckel & co.'s feet. You want to vote for anyone else ? Enjoy your "useless" vote ; they even acknowledge it by saying "vote useful : vote for UMP/PS". I don't even understand the point of having more than 2 candidate (in fact, they're both awful, so one or another is the same as far as I'm concerned), any elections since the beginning of the 5th republic has been the same, with the very exception of 2002, where socialists where so shitty the National-Front passed them up in the first turn, and they made you think that "YOU HAVE TO VOTE CHIRAC, UNLESS GODWIN POINT EVERYWHERE" and then he got 82% of voices. TL;DR : Voting Sarkozy is asking for salt in the anal rape we are already suffering ; voting Hollande is asking to take it in the mouth instead. Sadly, we don't have choice because any other candidate will lose at the first turn. You said it without saying it ; We have no choice. Whe are supposed to live in a democracy and the have to choose one man or woman between a bunch of dumbass bro. You know, democracy, the rule of the people by the people. How the hell are they close to people? At least De Gaulle made his proof. And i'm deeply from the left. There's just nobody to reprensent french people. I don't know, maybe whe have the candidates whe diserse. Dunno, all this compain just piss me off. So you don't think of Mélenchon as a worthy candidate ? Did you watch "Des paroles et des actes" with him ? The one with Le Pen lol? (with the "lol" you've my answer...) No, the one I linked previously, he wasn't the main guest in the one with Lepen and he didn't even get to debate as Marine refused to speak to him with the excuse that he wasn't a "serious" candidate with 10% vote intentions (wich is a shame if you ask me she just fled the debate as she knew he was of a higher caliber than her). + Show Spoiler +
Sorry i missed it, i'll be looking forward to it.
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On March 20 2012 08:50 JohnMatrix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 08:41 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 08:39 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 08:38 AIOL! wrote:Go melenchon !! I'm voting for him atm You are smart if you do so . I haven't watched his show, could any of you enlighten me on how he plans on financing his social measures (augmentation of the smic to 1700€ for example) ? + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBvkNhKzrpw (at 43:50)
Very enlightening... Financed 100% with tax increases.
What's your opinion on taxing capital for french firms (French firms will have to pay an additional 100 Billion € in taxes if I understood Mr Mélanchon well) in a time of crisis with regards to economic growth ?
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On March 20 2012 09:00 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 08:50 JohnMatrix wrote:On March 20 2012 08:41 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 08:39 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 08:38 AIOL! wrote:Go melenchon !! I'm voting for him atm You are smart if you do so . I haven't watched his show, could any of you enlighten me on how he plans on financing his social measures (augmentation of the smic to 1700€ for example) ? + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBvkNhKzrpw (at 43:50) Very enlightening... Financed 100% with tax increases. What's your opinion on taxing capital for french firms (French firms will have to pay an additional 100 Billion € in taxes if I understood Mr Mélanchon well) in a time of crisis with regards to economic growth ?
What crisis ? CEOs salaries kept increasing drastically the past few years, I don't see any crisis.
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On March 20 2012 09:05 Mysti_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 09:00 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 08:50 JohnMatrix wrote:On March 20 2012 08:41 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 08:39 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 08:38 AIOL! wrote:Go melenchon !! I'm voting for him atm You are smart if you do so . I haven't watched his show, could any of you enlighten me on how he plans on financing his social measures (augmentation of the smic to 1700€ for example) ? + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBvkNhKzrpw (at 43:50) Very enlightening... Financed 100% with tax increases. What's your opinion on taxing capital for french firms (French firms will have to pay an additional 100 Billion € in taxes if I understood Mr Mélanchon well) in a time of crisis with regards to economic growth ? What crisis ? CEOs salaries kept increasing drastically the past few years, I don't see any crisis.
One point for Mysti_ !!!
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On March 20 2012 09:05 Mysti_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 09:00 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 08:50 JohnMatrix wrote:On March 20 2012 08:41 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 08:39 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 08:38 AIOL! wrote:Go melenchon !! I'm voting for him atm You are smart if you do so . I haven't watched his show, could any of you enlighten me on how he plans on financing his social measures (augmentation of the smic to 1700€ for example) ? + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBvkNhKzrpw (at 43:50) Very enlightening... Financed 100% with tax increases. What's your opinion on taxing capital for french firms (French firms will have to pay an additional 100 Billion € in taxes if I understood Mr Mélanchon well) in a time of crisis with regards to economic growth ? What crisis ? CEOs salaries kept increasing drastically the past few years, I don't see any crisis.
Ok, that was funny. Outrageously high salaries are a problem I agree. However they are only worth a couple of Millions, nowhere near the 160 Billion euros that Mr Mélanchon says he needs for his program.
Now how about you answer my question ?
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Hahaha all those candidates are so bad. We have a bunch of big spenders running for president too.
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On March 20 2012 09:09 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 09:05 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 09:00 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 08:50 JohnMatrix wrote:On March 20 2012 08:41 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 08:39 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 08:38 AIOL! wrote:Go melenchon !! I'm voting for him atm You are smart if you do so . I haven't watched his show, could any of you enlighten me on how he plans on financing his social measures (augmentation of the smic to 1700€ for example) ? + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBvkNhKzrpw (at 43:50) Very enlightening... Financed 100% with tax increases. What's your opinion on taxing capital for french firms (French firms will have to pay an additional 100 Billion € in taxes if I understood Mr Mélanchon well) in a time of crisis with regards to economic growth ? What crisis ? CEOs salaries kept increasing drastically the past few years, I don't see any crisis. Ok, that was funny. Outrageously high salaries are a problem I agree. However they are only worth a couple of Millions, nowhere near the 160 Billion euros that Mr Mélanchon says he needs for his program. Now how about you answer my question ?
I adopt a different point of view regarding this matter I believe, => massive raising in salaries means increase in purchasing power, and that leads to more consommation, so this in itself is good for the economy.
Now regarding the tax on capital, you do know most firms are taking HUGE marges to maximize their profit (way more so than what they would need for their sales to be satisfying), and that's exactly the reason we can tax them more without really hurting our economy as long as we protect our trade policies. You remember the massive increase of almost every single thing we can buy with the switch from Francs to Euros ? And the prices that kept raising ever since ? Do you find justified that the most common price for a haircut for example is 20 euros ? We come to a point where we need to stop greediness don't you think ?
And taking into those huge profits (profits for who ? CEOs and their crew mostly) to the benefit of every citoyen is the way to go imo, it kind of remembers me of Robin Hood. That's how we can increase our life quality, controlling, limiting greediness, because god knows humans have no limit.
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On March 20 2012 09:11 xavra41 wrote:
Hahaha all those candidates are so bad. We have a bunch of big spenders running for president too.
They buy votes how they think it works. With US republicans, it's more with god, in France is more in spending money they (in fact, WE) don't have.
But be sure, like in USA, no one will do what he said
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On March 20 2012 09:18 Mysti_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 09:09 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 09:05 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 09:00 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 08:50 JohnMatrix wrote:On March 20 2012 08:41 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 08:39 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 08:38 AIOL! wrote:Go melenchon !! I'm voting for him atm You are smart if you do so . I haven't watched his show, could any of you enlighten me on how he plans on financing his social measures (augmentation of the smic to 1700€ for example) ? + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBvkNhKzrpw (at 43:50) Very enlightening... Financed 100% with tax increases. What's your opinion on taxing capital for french firms (French firms will have to pay an additional 100 Billion € in taxes if I understood Mr Mélanchon well) in a time of crisis with regards to economic growth ? What crisis ? CEOs salaries kept increasing drastically the past few years, I don't see any crisis. Ok, that was funny. Outrageously high salaries are a problem I agree. However they are only worth a couple of Millions, nowhere near the 160 Billion euros that Mr Mélanchon says he needs for his program. Now how about you answer my question ? I adopt a different point of view regarding this matter I believe, => massive raising in salaries means increase in purchasing power, and that leads to more consommation, so this in itself is good for the economy. Now regarding the tax on capital, you do know most firms are taking HUGE marges to maximize their profit (way more so than what they would need for their sales to be satisfying), and that's exactly the reason we can tax them more without really hurting our economy as long as we protect our trade policies. You remember the massive increase of almost every single thing we can buy with the switch from Francs to Euros ? And the prices that kept raising ever since ? Do you find justified that the most common price for a haircut for example is 20 euros ? We come to a point where we need to stop greediness don't you think ?
Haven't all massive redistribution policies (not to say communist) proven to be economic failures in the past ? Don't you fear that by taxing the rich 100% more, they'll find it more advantageous to go pay their taxes in Switzerland or Belgium ?
Regarding benefits from firms, I do believe that they need this money to pay their stock holders. Stockholders are basically people who lend you money and who expect you to pay them back with interest. Firms are more then happy to have that money being lend to them because they believe they can make more money with it. Low level economics here but the fact that firms are making profits doesn't mean we can tax them on it.
And greediness ? Seriously ? What do you think the firms are doing with all their supposedly left over money ? CEO salaries don't account for the 160 Billions € Mélanchon is trying to take from them.
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Ah well, looks like everywhere i look is big government... Where do i go to escape it?
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I agree with Geiko in the sense that it's a big leap - too big for the times we are going through. The reason CEOs are being given big salaries is because they want to save their ass and the company wants to make sure to keep the best leaders in their ranks.
It's gross and stupid, but this doesn't mean that the companies would be fine with a massive tax increase in both industrial and financial sectors. Companies will simply progressively leave, bit by bit.
Focus on the middle class, they are the pillar of the economy and democracy and yet no one seems to worry about them...
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On March 20 2012 09:18 Mysti_ wrote:
Now regarding the tax on capital, you do know most firms are taking HUGE marges to maximize their profit (way more so than what they would need for their sales to be satisfying), and that's exactly the reason we can tax them more without really hurting our economy as long as we protect our trade policies. You remember the massive increase of almost every single thing we can buy with the switch from Francs to Euros ? And the prices that kept raising ever since ? Do you find justified that the most common price for a haircut for example is 20 euros ? We come to a point where we need to stop greediness don't you think ?
Hey now, you can't lump all companies together like that and say they are eeeeeevil and make huge profits. Maybe it's true for multinationals, but this is a crass generalization at best. I agree that some companies tried to take advantage of things like the change to the Euro, but taxing them heavily doesn't help in that regard -- that's what consumer associations and anti-trust laws are for.
And taking into those huge profits (profits for who ? CEOs and their crew mostly) to the benefit of every citoyen is the way to go imo, it kind of remembers me of Robin Hood.
Funny thing, Robin Hood operated against the law. I find it ironic you raise him as an example since redistribution of wealth was created above all to avoid people like him. It is justifiable for part of the wealth to be redistributed to the people who need it most, but it's futile and even counter-productive to consider material success as criminal.
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On March 20 2012 09:29 xavra41 wrote:
Ah well, looks like everywhere i look is big government... Where do i go to escape it?
You can live in the Amazonian forest. No government there.
Anyone who believes that the government should be small is fooled by the just world fallacy : the world isn't fair.
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Geiko, raising the minimal wages was done severals times in the past. In 1968 it was raised by 30% and in 1981 Mitterand raised it by 25%. Mélenchon only wants to raise it by 21%.
At the moment minimal wages are only 15% higher than the poverty level. If you don't work full time you are poor. The idea of increasing minimal wages is it will create activity. People who earn minimal wages can't save money and if you give them a decent salary they'll spend this money into the economy : eat better food, go to the hair dresser, buy things. The increased wages will fund the economy, think about it the same way as when Ford increased workers wages so they could buy the Ford T they were producing. A wage increase induces better economy, the opposite of what Sarkozy (and Bayrou) wants to do by increasing the TVA. A TVA increase means things are more expensive so you can spend less into the economy. Melenchon also wants to raise the social security reimbursement to 100%. Because ill people actually cost more than people well cured.
About taxes at the moment taxes are degressive. In percentage, the more you earn the less you pay while it should be the other way around. Taxes are meant to be effective, not to be nice to a few people. Melenchon is not raising taxes, he's removing the niche taxes Sarkozy created. Also he's smoothing the levels of taxes people pay. At the moment there are something like 5 big steps, which means you don't pay more taxes until you earn more than the next step. He wants a lot more something like 20 so taxes reflect more precisely what you earn. And he's taxing profits from the trade market, since there's no point in having workers pay taxes while traders don't.
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On March 20 2012 09:35 chuky500 wrote:
Geiko, raising the minimal wages was done severals times in the past. In 1968 it was raised by 30% and in 1981 Mitterand raised it by 25%. Mélenchon only wants to raise it by 21%.
At the moment minimal wages are only 15% higher than the poverty level. If you don't work full time you are poor. The idea of increasing minimal wages is it will create activity. People who earn minimal wages can't save money and if you give them a decent salary they'll spend this money into the economy : eat better food, cut their hair, buy things. The increased wages will fund the economy, think about it the same way as when Ford increased workers wages so they could buy the Ford T they were producing. A wage increase induces better economy, the opposite of what Sarkozy (and Bayrou) wants to do by increasing the TVA. Melenchon also wants to raise the social security reimbursement to 100%. Because ill people actually cost more than people well cured.
About taxes at the moment taxes are degressive. In percentage, the more you earn the less you pay while it should be the other way around. Melenchon is not raising taxes, he's removing the niche taxes Sarkozy created. Also he's smoothing the levels of taxes people pay. At the moment there are something like 5 big steps, which means you don't pay more taxes until you earn more than the next step. He wants a lot more something like 20 so taxes reflect more precisely what you earn. And he's taxing profits from the trade market, since there's no point in having workers pay taxes while traders don't.
I'm not saying we shouldn't raise minimal wages by principle, i'm saying that right now, we just can't afford it.
Taxing capital is 100% working against economic growth. The idea behind the augmentation of the TVA is that TVA is paid by consumers (obviously), but also partly by the foreign firms who want to sell their products in France. In germany such an increase in TVA has lead to a significantly lower increase in prices (I don't remember the exact figures but something like 2% increase in TVA lead to 0.5% increase in prices).
Taxing profits from trade market is a complex issue. Once again, firms need investors and taxing benefits makes french firms less attractive for these investors.
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On March 20 2012 09:29 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 09:18 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 09:09 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 09:05 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 09:00 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 08:50 JohnMatrix wrote:On March 20 2012 08:41 Geiko wrote:On March 20 2012 08:39 Mysti_ wrote:On March 20 2012 08:38 AIOL! wrote:Go melenchon !! I'm voting for him atm You are smart if you do so . I haven't watched his show, could any of you enlighten me on how he plans on financing his social measures (augmentation of the smic to 1700€ for example) ? + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBvkNhKzrpw (at 43:50) Very enlightening... Financed 100% with tax increases. What's your opinion on taxing capital for french firms (French firms will have to pay an additional 100 Billion € in taxes if I understood Mr Mélanchon well) in a time of crisis with regards to economic growth ? What crisis ? CEOs salaries kept increasing drastically the past few years, I don't see any crisis. Ok, that was funny. Outrageously high salaries are a problem I agree. However they are only worth a couple of Millions, nowhere near the 160 Billion euros that Mr Mélanchon says he needs for his program. Now how about you answer my question ? I adopt a different point of view regarding this matter I believe, => massive raising in salaries means increase in purchasing power, and that leads to more consommation, so this in itself is good for the economy. Now regarding the tax on capital, you do know most firms are taking HUGE marges to maximize their profit (way more so than what they would need for their sales to be satisfying), and that's exactly the reason we can tax them more without really hurting our economy as long as we protect our trade policies. You remember the massive increase of almost every single thing we can buy with the switch from Francs to Euros ? And the prices that kept raising ever since ? Do you find justified that the most common price for a haircut for example is 20 euros ? We come to a point where we need to stop greediness don't you think ? Haven't all massive redistribution policies (not to say communist) proven to be economic failures in the past ? Don't you fear that by taxing the rich 100% more, they'll find it more advantageous to go pay their taxes in Switzerland or Belgium ? Regarding benefits from firms, I do believe that they need this money to pay their stock holders. Stockholders are basically people who lend you money and who expect you to pay them back with interest. Firms are more then happy to have that money being lend to them because they believe they can make more money with it. Low level economics here but the fact that firms are making profits doesn't mean we can tax them on it. And greediness ? Seriously ? What do you think the firms are doing with all their supposedly left over money ?
Last near-communist experiment I heard about took a mediaval country (Holy Russia) and propelled it into the modern era. And then a bloody dictator took control over the whole country and ruined the whole idea. As far as I am concerned, state regulation has a lot of pros.
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But I understand your biggest concern : you are afraid of all those capitalist who would take the money they earned in France using all the facilities our country provides (school system, transportation, infrastructures, power plants, police...) and hiding that money in other less-regarding countries (sup Switzerland :D). This concern is about a real threat. This is why the government needs more power over the banks. And guess what, Sarkozy is not the one who will inforce such laws. But with Mélenchon (or Natalie Arthaud if you think Mélenchon is not credible enough) there is a high chance that the french IRS will have enough power/means to investigate and track down all those profiteers.
About what the firms do with the left-over : there is NO left-over. All the benefits go to the shareholders. And of course it would be stupid to tax it ! How would Total SARL shareholders live without their yearly earnings ? I have no idea...
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