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Dekkers
France315 Posts
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chocopaw
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
On April 22 2012 07:13 Otolia wrote: Not voting is already a choice. You made yours. While I too regret that 'vote blanc' are not counted, it doesn't matter in the end. The sole thing a 'vote blanc' is saying is : "Fuck you all, I don't want you! " I don't think that's a good way to advance forward. Anyhow it's also a shame that we are not voting for the president but for the parliament too. Since 2007 (or was it 2002 ?), both of the elections are after the one another. Fundamentally they should be differentiated, though because we don't have a proportional system it wouldn't matter that much. You're the only one i know that respect my choice. Everybody i talk to say that people died for us to be able to vote and so we should all vote for what they did. They also say that if i don't vote i can't complain about who won. I think people died for us to be able to vote for whatever we wants, not just to chose someone. And i couldn't complain if i voted for someone, that would be accepting the vote. I also can't pick 'vote blanc' which is saying i don't care about who wins but i want someone. Sadly no one talks about this view on the media. If i recall correctly, there was an option before which was 'vote nul' for every vote where people wrote stuff on the paper or put nothing/something else inside the envelop. If was to diffenciate people that didn't vote and people that voted against. But it didn't count in the results and there weren't even numbers for it. Way to shut people's mouth. Edit : just tuned in into the news journal, Mélanchon ate pasta. That's the news here. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On April 21 2012 03:04 SiroKO wrote: Ya, on one hand sons of African immigrants looting, burning cars at each occasion they got (soccer match of a Maghreb country, death of a criminal leaving there...), and committing certain crimes and acts of delinquency at a 5 times higher rates than the natives, are absolved by their social status and the place where they live in ; and the fact that the overwhelming majority of French/Asian people leaving in the same conditions don't commit these exactions is ignored. On the other, natives not feeling too well about the formers, as well as becoming a foreigner in their own country are automatically labeled as fucking idiotic nazis who're the root cause of all evil in this country, despite the fact that the FN has never been in office. This is not socialism my friend, this is obscene neo left-wing demagoguery. I believe there's something in between accepting hundreds of thousands of immigrants each single year who rapidly replace the native population (genocide by substitution), and "kicking the arabs out" or the brutal mass murdering of Untermenschen (direct genocide ala Nazism). I already argued with you, and you failed to disprove any of my points. Numbers and facts speak against you. Your paranoia is fed by your ignorance and maybe by a very personal fear of certain people. On a brighter note, that Konami code on Bayrou's website is priceless! | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On April 22 2012 21:51 Macpo wrote: Do you really mean having immigrants in your country makes you feel victim of a "genocide by substitution" ? Because that is a deeply paranoid perception of reality... in what sense is that a genocide? Do you feel threatened when not everybody is doing things your way? You know, what would happen if France sent back immigrants to their country (and we should ask, up to what point? cause we all are coming from immigration, in a way or another)? well their would a significant economic and demographic decline of France, because immigrants are workers (occasionally doing the harder jobs others won't do, like cleaning up your garbage) ; and because they spend their money in France; and because they add up to the population... I know for a fact that 50% of the new-borns in the "Ile de France" (region of Paris) are of African origin. This process can be called a population replacement if you prefer, but it is a fact and whether or not it is paranoid is a matter of subjective opinion. I don't feel threatened when not everybody is doing things my way, but when it is an increasing part of the population which also happened to be driven by anti-French sentiment, then it starts to worry me a bit. The FN does not want "kicking the immigrants out" nor closing borders and ethnic purity. It supports the regularization of 10000 immigrants per year. Besides, all the world nationalities are represented in France, with only a few causing problems. So let's be specific, and cut the hypocritical cr*p about "immigrants", like they were forming some kind of united entity... If you think that "immigrant" is a pertinent word, tell me what's common between a Chinese prostitute, an Algerian student, an Indian astrophysician, and a polygamist Malian imam... They are certain immigrants causing trouble, and these immigrants are regularized because of very specific rules (droit du sol : right of the land, regroupement familial : familial gathering) being forced on us because of european/international conventions. | ||
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Nitro68
France470 Posts
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DOUDOU
Wales2940 Posts
On April 22 2012 23:29 Nitro68 wrote: It closes at 20 CEST in big cities, 18 otherwises. The results are at 20 CEST but some foreigner newspaper should announce them around 18:30. last election i attended, polls were still open till 22, and that was in Angers i wouldn't be surprised if the biggest citie's polls are open till 23 anyway, first official "result" is at 8pm (but even at that time, it still is an estimation), then it progressively gets updated as polls closes the "real" result (not estimation, final complete count of votes) is announced the next day | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
Basically, in those places Hollande is 1st, Sarkozy a far second, but these results were expected and hardly a surprise. The first real estimates around 6:30pm will be far more interesting. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On April 22 2012 23:28 SiroKO wrote: I know for a fact that 50% of the new-borns in the "Ile de France" (region of Paris) are of African origin. This process can be called a population replacement if you prefer, but it is a fact and whether or not it is paranoid is a matter of subjective opinion. I don't feel threatened when not everybody is doing things my way, but when it is an increasing part of the population which also happened to be driven by anti-French sentiment, then it starts to worry me a bit. The FN does not want "kicking the immigrants out" nor closing borders and ethnic purity. It supports the regularization of 10000 immigrants per year. Besides, all the world nationalities are represented in France, with only a few causing problems. So let's be specific, and cut the hypocritical cr*p about "immigrants", like they were forming some kind of united entity... If you think that "immigrant" is a pertinent word, tell me what's common between a Chinese prostitute, an Algerian student, an Indian astrophysician, and a polygamist Malian imam... They are certain immigrants causing trouble, and these immigrants are regularized because of very specific rules (droit du sol : right of the land, regroupement familial : familial gathering) being forced on us because of european/international conventions. Please do support your facts with sources. I find that somewhat bizarre as in 2005, 680 000 children were born from French mothers and 60 000 of African mothers. Source : INSEE demographic study. People from the Makhreb (up to three generations) represent 5% of the total population. But then again, who cares about reality, amrite? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On April 22 2012 23:45 Kukaracha wrote: Please do support your facts with sources. I find that somewhat bizarre as in 2005, 680 000 children were born from French mothers and 60 000 of African mothers. Source : INSEE demographic study. People from the Makhreb (up to three generations) represent 5% of the total population. But then again, who cares about reality, amrite? I'm pretty sure your numbers are more precise than his. I don't support the FN or their crazy ideas, such as coming out of the Euro as well as their racism. That said I'd be interested to know where you live, Kuk. The points Siro bring up are wildly, wildly exaggerated, obviously. However, there is a small grain of truth to them. | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On April 22 2012 23:45 Kukaracha wrote: Please do support your facts with sources. I find that somewhat bizarre as in 2005, 680 000 children were born from French mothers and 60 000 of African mothers. Source : INSEE demographic study. People from the Makhreb (up to three generations) represent 5% of the total population. But then again, who cares about reality, amrite? Ethnic statistics are forbidden, but there are indirect ways to fend off the propaganda. In 2007, 28% of the new-born in France, and 55% in Ile de France, have been tested for sicke cell anemia, which is a typical procedure when the parents are either Subsaharian or Indians. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drépanocytose#France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sickle_cell_distribution.jpg | ||
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krikit
Sweden16 Posts
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
The only truth in what Siroko says is that a great deal of violence comes from people of African origins who live in the cités. However, I adressed this earlier : while there is a small cultural factor, these places themselves condition individuals to violent and criminal behaviours. And as I learned first hand, those gehttos are the first - and often last - stop when you come to France. And when I say first-hand, it's because I actually got there when I was a kid. First day of school, I gpt beat up by girls. Second day of school, I had to stand up for myself and become friends with a group of wannabe thugs. Our main and only available game was to fight each other. What stems from this, in your opinion? Things such as a higher suspicion towards certain categories of people are only common sense, backed by hidden numbers. Why can't we showcase those numbers and talk openly about them? Because of people like Siroko who lack the objectivity and the intellecual tools to analyse them. | ||
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FIStarcraft
United States154 Posts
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On April 23 2012 00:10 SiroKO wrote: Ethnic statistics are forbidden, but there are indirect ways to fend off the propaganda. In 2007, 28% of the new-born in France, and 55% in Ile de France, have been tested for sicke cell anemia, which is a typical procedure when the parents are either Subsaharian or Indians. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drépanocytose#France http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBJAEd7f6Ns http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sickle_cell_distribution.jpg Quoting the news when they don't even support your claims. Brilliant. African people are more prone to have this disease. This is the only thing that this video said. The article states that it's a common occurance in the Mediterranean sea, listing countries such as Greece and Italy. So, if I follow this reasoning, I can say that any child who has a family member that comes from the Makhreb, from Greece, from Italy, from Turkey, or from Lebanon, etc, etc, can be infected. Which simply leads me to the conclusion that France is not longer a country purely populated by Franks. Which has been the case since WW1. If anything, it says that people of foreign origins are concentrated in the capital. Well done, Siroko. By the way, the statisitcs provided earlier went all the way up to the 60s, and since there was very little immigration from the Makhreb before that, we can safely say that it encompasses the majority of "Arabs". There, you have your "ethnic" statistic. | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
I have heard that it is illegal to communicate results before 20:00 CEST in France. | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
On April 22 2012 23:28 SiroKO wrote: I know for a fact that 50% of the new-borns in the "Ile de France" (region of Paris) are of African origin. This process can be called a population replacement if you prefer, but it is a fact and whether or not it is paranoid is a matter of subjective opinion. I don't feel threatened when not everybody is doing things my way, but when it is an increasing part of the population which also happened to be driven by anti-French sentiment, then it starts to worry me a bit. The FN does not want "kicking the immigrants out" nor closing borders and ethnic purity. It supports the regularization of 10000 immigrants per year. Besides, all the world nationalities are represented in France, with only a few causing problems. So let's be specific, and cut the hypocritical cr*p about "immigrants", like they were forming some kind of united entity... If you think that "immigrant" is a pertinent word, tell me what's common between a Chinese prostitute, an Algerian student, an Indian astrophysician, and a polygamist Malian imam... They are certain immigrants causing trouble, and these immigrants are regularized because of very specific rules (droit du sol : right of the land, regroupement familial : familial gathering) being forced on us because of european/international conventions. Isn't it amazing the amount of stuff one can pull out of his ass... Once again the rectum proves it is the biggest, wildest, most wonderful source of information. Especially when it is fueled by fear and ignorance. | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On April 23 2012 00:56 MilesTeg wrote: Isn't it amazing the amount of stuff one can pull out of his ass... Once again the rectum proves it is the biggest, wildest, most wonderful source of information. Especially when it is fueled by fear and ignorance. There you have your "rectum", an official and scientific report. http://www.scribd.com/doc/31803808/Depistage-Neonatal-Drepanocytose ", il est effectué chez les nouveau-nés dont les parents appartiennent à un groupe à risque pour cette maladie (essentiellement Afri-que, Antilles et Maghreb)." Translation : are tested : the new-borns who have a parent belonging to a risk group (mainly Africa, Antilles, Maghreb). Now you can try pretending there's this huge Greek community that no one talks about and who get tested too. | ||
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gnatinator
Canada169 Posts
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