EPT2012 French Presidential Election - Page 18
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Heweree
United Kingdom497 Posts
On April 20 2012 14:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So what reason does Sarkozy have for not supporting gay marriage, is it political or his personal views? Political. He almost did the shift under the influence of Carla Bruni but seeing coming the elections he came back to the traditional right wing. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7913 Posts
On April 20 2012 14:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So what reason does Sarkozy have for not supporting gay marriage, is it political or his personal views? Both. His political family is generally conservative, but the situation is very complex because of the nature of his party. On his right wing, there is La Droite Populaire, which is a far right stream of the UMP, made of MPs who try to break the bridges with the Front National. They are openly homophobic, anti-immigration (in fact completely racist), etc... One of their main figure, Christian Vanneste, said that homosexuality is an "anthropological aberration". That gives you an idea. On his left wing there are a very strong centre right poll of politicians and voters that are really ambiguous towards his party. And he absolutely need them to win the election and to govern. They have been unable to federate, so they are technically going to support him, but a lot of centre right voters judge that he is way too far on the right and will vote Bayrou and then, for a lot of them, Hollande. They are usually very liberal on social issues, and very far from the quite fascist content that La Droite Populaire delivers and for most of them, they would jump a bridge rather than make an alliance with the Front National. The problem of Sarkozy is to make a synthesis between these two antagonistic part of his party. It's a bit the same thing if you want that the Republican Party that has to compose with people as extremist as Sarah Palin (or Ron Paul in an other way) and with many moderate right wing MPs and voters. Personally, Sarkozy doesn't care about homosexuals but he is a conservative person and believes that children should not be educated by homosexuals. His opposition to the gay mariage is based on his refusal for gay to adopt kids. He has right view on the family as the basis of society and the kids need a man and a woman etc etc etc etc... (which is funny because he has kids from three differents wives but whatever.) So his synthesis between all of that is to support civil union for gays who don't have the right to adopt children. (I would be at the exact opposite: I don't think marriage is that important, the essential thing is that gay people can educate children and make a family.) | ||
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Microchaton
France342 Posts
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On April 20 2012 09:17 mahO wrote: I hope you dont understand, like 95% of people who support FN (and I'm not making that up, FN is based on big flashy statements about arabs, Europe, and other idiotic electoral subjects, but very few actually read what FN would do) what you are actually saying. I would just kindly recommend that you read the actual FN's program, come back here, and tell me that you want death penalty to be back, France basically getting isolated from Europe (good old laugh on that one), and the economical measures and the dramatical consequences those would have on our country. It's quite simple to tell, by the way you say it "least bad" etc. that you've just been seduced by the flashy shit, and you are what actually disgusts me in my country, the fact that people like you can give a vote so lightly, not having any idea of what it would actually mean in reality, except for "kicking the arabs out" (which is frankly, is FN's historical BASE, blind xenophobia, with absolutely no idea how to run a country, oh by the way, their leader is a woman, but they are also proved to be misogynistic, such lovely ideas). It's sad, dangerous, and simply annoying to know that these idiots made april 2002 possible Ya, on one hand sons of African immigrants looting, burning cars at each occasion they got (soccer match of a Maghreb country, death of a criminal leaving there...), and committing certain crimes and acts of delinquency at a 5 times higher rates than the natives, are absolved by their social status and the place where they live in ; and the fact that the overwhelming majority of French/Asian people leaving in the same conditions don't commit these exactions is ignored. On the other, natives not feeling too well about the formers, as well as becoming a foreigner in their own country are automatically labeled as fucking idiotic nazis who're the root cause of all evil in this country, despite the fact that the FN has never been in office. This is not socialism my friend, this is obscene neo left-wing demagoguery. I believe there's something in between accepting hundreds of thousands of immigrants each single year who rapidly replace the native population (genocide by substitution), and "kicking the arabs out" or the brutal mass murdering of Untermenschen (direct genocide ala Nazism). | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← →← → B A for the record. | ||
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
If you're trying to say something different you can chose the "vote blanc" which is saying you don't care who wins. It is not included in the finals stats, if 50.1% vote for this, it won't matter. There are no options if you want to say you're against the presidential status. So this time again, like 30% of the french people (oftenly refered to as the biggest party), i won't vote. I would love to be able to but i have no way to express my opinion. This is not an universal suffrage. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On April 22 2012 06:45 Nyarly wrote: In france you can vote to chose someone. If you're trying to say something different you can chose the "vote blanc" which is saying you don't care who wins. It is not included in the finals stats, if 50.1% vote for this, it won't matter. There are no options if you want to say you're against the presidential status. So this time again, like 30% of the french people (oftenly refered to as the biggest party), i won't vote. I would love to be able to but i have no way to express my opinion. This is not an universal suffrage. Not voting is already a choice. You made yours. While I too regret that 'vote blanc' are not counted, it doesn't matter in the end. The sole thing a 'vote blanc' is saying is : "Fuck you all, I don't want you! " I don't think that's a good way to advance forward. Anyhow it's also a shame that we are not voting for the president but for the parliament too. Since 2007 (or was it 2002 ?), both of the elections are after the one another. Fundamentally they should be differentiated, though because we don't have a proportional system it wouldn't matter that much. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On April 22 2012 07:13 Otolia wrote: Not voting is already a choice. You made yours. While I too regret that 'vote blanc' are not counted, it doesn't matter in the end. The sole thing a 'vote blanc' is saying is : "Fuck you all, I don't want you! " I don't think that's a good way to advance forward. It would be a good way forward to make politicians understand that there is something wrong with the way they act and the political class as a whole. I can assure you than a 10% abstention and 20% blank votes in a presidential election would have FAR MORE impact than 30% abstention "ahhh, those people don't care about the country, youngsters today don't give a fuck", which is false. We care. It's just that the political "class" is so self-absorbed they don't even want to hear those bad stats, they are happy with their percentage, don't want to see it shrink. | ||
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stickyhands
187 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
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Macpo
453 Posts
On April 21 2012 03:04 SiroKO wrote: I believe there's something in between accepting hundreds of thousands of immigrants each single year who rapidly replace the native population (genocide by substitution), and "kicking the arabs out" or the brutal mass murdering of Untermenschen (direct genocide ala Nazism). Do you really mean having immigrants in your country makes you feel victim of a "genocide by substitution" ? Because that is a deeply paranoid perception of reality... in what sense is that a genocide? Do you feel threatened when not everybody is doing things your way? You know, what would happen if France sent back immigrants to their country (and we should ask, up to what point? cause we all are coming from immigration, in a way or another)? well their would a significant economic and demographic decline of France, because immigrants are workers (occasionally doing the harder jobs others won't do, like cleaning up your garbage) ; and because they spend their money in France; and because they add up to the population... | ||
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
Now i'm looking forward to the results later this afternoon, hopefully we'll have some kind of funny stuff happening on TV too (i cant wait for some candidates to explain why they ended with a bad score  ) | ||
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Kar98
Australia924 Posts
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DOUDOU
Wales2940 Posts
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
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Demicore
France503 Posts
Just voted Bayrou. Let's hope we don't get a shitty second turn à la 2002. | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
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Macpo
453 Posts
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