On April 21 2012 03:04 SiroKO wrote: I believe there's something in between accepting hundreds of thousands of immigrants each single year who rapidly replace the native population (genocide by substitution), and "kicking the arabs out" or the brutal mass murdering of Untermenschen (direct genocide ala Nazism).
Do you really mean having immigrants in your country makes you feel victim of a "genocide by substitution" ? Because that is a deeply paranoid perception of reality... in what sense is that a genocide? Do you feel threatened when not everybody is doing things your way?
You know, what would happen if France sent back immigrants to their country (and we should ask, up to what point? cause we all are coming from immigration, in a way or another)? well their would a significant economic and demographic decline of France, because immigrants are workers (occasionally doing the harder jobs others won't do, like cleaning up your garbage) ; and because they spend their money in France; and because they add up to the population...
I know for a fact that 50% of the new-borns in the "Ile de France" (region of Paris) are of African origin. This process can be called a population replacement if you prefer, but it is a fact and whether or not it is paranoid is a matter of subjective opinion. I don't feel threatened when not everybody is doing things my way, but when it is an increasing part of the population which also happened to be driven by anti-French sentiment, then it starts to worry me a bit.
The FN does not want "kicking the immigrants out" nor closing borders and ethnic purity. It supports the regularization of 10000 immigrants per year.
Besides, all the world nationalities are represented in France, with only a few causing problems. So let's be specific, and cut the hypocritical cr*p about "immigrants", like they were forming some kind of united entity... If you think that "immigrant" is a pertinent word, tell me what's common between a Chinese prostitute, an Algerian student, an Indian astrophysician, and a polygamist Malian imam...
They are certain immigrants causing trouble, and these immigrants are regularized because of very specific rules (droit du sol : right of the land, regroupement familial : familial gathering) being forced on us because of european/international conventions.
Please do support your facts with sources. I find that somewhat bizarre as in 2005, 680 000 children were born from French mothers and 60 000 of African mothers. Source : INSEE demographic study. People from the Makhreb (up to three generations) represent 5% of the total population.
But then again, who cares about reality, amrite?
Ethnic statistics are forbidden, but there are indirect ways to fend off the propaganda.
In 2007, 28% of the new-born in France, and 55% in Ile de France, have been tested for sicke cell anemia, which is a typical procedure when the parents are either Subsaharian or Indians.
Seriously I think you really need to look at yourself in the mirror, take a deep breath, and start to genuinely wonder if your beliefs are based on facts or if they are the product of your frustrations and irrational fears. It's for your own good, because you seem to be a very sick man.
I'm really finding this French election interesting. I'm hoping Sarkozy pulls off a miracle and wins, but I don't see that happening, at least from what I've been reading. I understand a lot of the parties stances on certain issues, but I'm curious to one question if any of the French here could answer. How does the voting break down by demographic there? Is it mostly by age, race, socioeconomic status, or fairly balanced? Also, who do these different groups tend to vote for?
On April 21 2012 03:04 SiroKO wrote: I believe there's something in between accepting hundreds of thousands of immigrants each single year who rapidly replace the native population (genocide by substitution), and "kicking the arabs out" or the brutal mass murdering of Untermenschen (direct genocide ala Nazism).
Do you really mean having immigrants in your country makes you feel victim of a "genocide by substitution" ? Because that is a deeply paranoid perception of reality... in what sense is that a genocide? Do you feel threatened when not everybody is doing things your way?
You know, what would happen if France sent back immigrants to their country (and we should ask, up to what point? cause we all are coming from immigration, in a way or another)? well their would a significant economic and demographic decline of France, because immigrants are workers (occasionally doing the harder jobs others won't do, like cleaning up your garbage) ; and because they spend their money in France; and because they add up to the population...
I know for a fact that 50% of the new-borns in the "Ile de France" (region of Paris) are of African origin. This process can be called a population replacement if you prefer, but it is a fact and whether or not it is paranoid is a matter of subjective opinion. I don't feel threatened when not everybody is doing things my way, but when it is an increasing part of the population which also happened to be driven by anti-French sentiment, then it starts to worry me a bit.
The FN does not want "kicking the immigrants out" nor closing borders and ethnic purity. It supports the regularization of 10000 immigrants per year.
Besides, all the world nationalities are represented in France, with only a few causing problems. So let's be specific, and cut the hypocritical cr*p about "immigrants", like they were forming some kind of united entity... If you think that "immigrant" is a pertinent word, tell me what's common between a Chinese prostitute, an Algerian student, an Indian astrophysician, and a polygamist Malian imam...
They are certain immigrants causing trouble, and these immigrants are regularized because of very specific rules (droit du sol : right of the land, regroupement familial : familial gathering) being forced on us because of european/international conventions.
Please do support your facts with sources. I find that somewhat bizarre as in 2005, 680 000 children were born from French mothers and 60 000 of African mothers. Source : INSEE demographic study. People from the Makhreb (up to three generations) represent 5% of the total population.
But then again, who cares about reality, amrite?
Ethnic statistics are forbidden, but there are indirect ways to fend off the propaganda.
In 2007, 28% of the new-born in France, and 55% in Ile de France, have been tested for sicke cell anemia, which is a typical procedure when the parents are either Subsaharian or Indians.
Seriously I think you really need to look at yourself in the mirror, take a deep breath, and start to genuinely wonder if your beliefs are based on facts or if they are the product of your frustrations and irrational fears. It's for your own good, because you seem to be a very sick man.
Thanks for the advice. Since nationalists are nowadays referred to as delusional nazi sicko with irrational fears, I guess I'm just that, by definition. Not really understanding the utility of the mirror and the deep breath but since being dumb is often part of the nationalist package, I guess that must be pretty normal.
I, myself, suggest you reading my last post (page 19 bottom), and the allegory of the cave from Platon as well.
I'm done, enjoy your 5 years of socialist presidency.
On April 23 2012 01:06 ronpaul012 wrote: I'm really finding this French election interesting. I'm hoping Sarkozy pulls off a miracle and wins, but I don't see that happening, at least from what I've been reading. I understand a lot of the parties stances on certain issues, but I'm curious to one question if any of the French here could answer. How does the voting break down by demographic there? Is it mostly by age, race, socioeconomic status, or fairly balanced? Also, who do these different groups tend to vote for?
Mostly by age i'ld say. I think we could tell apart 3 global groups:
18-25 yo 26-50 yo 50-... yo
18-25's mostly vote from center to left wing (far left include) 26-50 mostly vote from right to left (far right/far left non include) 50 to the end vote from far right to far left but most of them will just vote for whatever they are used to vote for.
But then again, socioeconomic status play their role so most civil servant will vote left wing, unemployed will vote far left/left wing and CEO from what we call PME (litteral translation is "small or medium sized company) will vote from right to left...I think age is more accurate to define groups in France tho'.
On April 23 2012 01:06 ronpaul012 wrote: I'm really finding this French election interesting. I'm hoping Sarkozy pulls off a miracle and wins, but I don't see that happening, at least from what I've been reading. I understand a lot of the parties stances on certain issues, but I'm curious to one question if any of the French here could answer. How does the voting break down by demographic there? Is it mostly by age, race, socioeconomic status, or fairly balanced? Also, who do these different groups tend to vote for?
Mostly by age i'ld say. I think we could tell apart 3 global groups:
18-25 yo 26-50 yo 50-... yo
18-25's mostly vote from center to left wing (far left include) 26-50 mostly vote from right to left (far right/far left non include) 50 to the end vote from far right to far left but most of them will just vote for whatever they are used to vote for.
But then again, socioeconomic status play their role so most civil servant will vote left wing, unemployed will vote far left/left wing and CEO from what we call PME (litteral translation is "small or medium sized company) will vote from right to left...I think age is more accurate to define groups in France tho'.
Awesome thanks. I kind of figured it would be like that, but I didn't want to assume.
On April 23 2012 01:06 ronpaul012 wrote: I'm really finding this French election interesting. I'm hoping Sarkozy pulls off a miracle and wins, but I don't see that happening, at least from what I've been reading. I understand a lot of the parties stances on certain issues, but I'm curious to one question if any of the French here could answer. How does the voting break down by demographic there? Is it mostly by age, race, socioeconomic status, or fairly balanced? Also, who do these different groups tend to vote for?
Mostly by age i'ld say. I think we could tell apart 3 global groups:
18-25 yo 26-50 yo 50-... yo
18-25's mostly vote from center to left wing (far left include) 26-50 mostly vote from right to left (far right/far left non include) 50 to the end vote from far right to far left but most of them will just vote for whatever they are used to vote for.
But then again, socioeconomic status play their role so most civil servant will vote left wing, unemployed will vote far left/left wing and CEO from what we call PME (litteral translation is "small or medium sized company) will vote from right to left...I think age is more accurate to define groups in France tho'.
Awesome thanks. I kind of figured it would be like that, but I didn't want to assume.
On April 21 2012 03:04 SiroKO wrote: I believe there's something in between accepting hundreds of thousands of immigrants each single year who rapidly replace the native population (genocide by substitution), and "kicking the arabs out" or the brutal mass murdering of Untermenschen (direct genocide ala Nazism).
Do you really mean having immigrants in your country makes you feel victim of a "genocide by substitution" ? Because that is a deeply paranoid perception of reality... in what sense is that a genocide? Do you feel threatened when not everybody is doing things your way?
You know, what would happen if France sent back immigrants to their country (and we should ask, up to what point? cause we all are coming from immigration, in a way or another)? well their would a significant economic and demographic decline of France, because immigrants are workers (occasionally doing the harder jobs others won't do, like cleaning up your garbage) ; and because they spend their money in France; and because they add up to the population...
I know for a fact that 50% of the new-borns in the "Ile de France" (region of Paris) are of African origin. This process can be called a population replacement if you prefer, but it is a fact and whether or not it is paranoid is a matter of subjective opinion. I don't feel threatened when not everybody is doing things my way, but when it is an increasing part of the population which also happened to be driven by anti-French sentiment, then it starts to worry me a bit.
The FN does not want "kicking the immigrants out" nor closing borders and ethnic purity. It supports the regularization of 10000 immigrants per year.
Besides, all the world nationalities are represented in France, with only a few causing problems. So let's be specific, and cut the hypocritical cr*p about "immigrants", like they were forming some kind of united entity... If you think that "immigrant" is a pertinent word, tell me what's common between a Chinese prostitute, an Algerian student, an Indian astrophysician, and a polygamist Malian imam...
They are certain immigrants causing trouble, and these immigrants are regularized because of very specific rules (droit du sol : right of the land, regroupement familial : familial gathering) being forced on us because of european/international conventions.
Isn't it amazing the amount of stuff one can pull out of his ass... Once again the rectum proves it is the biggest, wildest, most wonderful source of information. Especially when it is fueled by fear and ignorance.
There you have your "rectum", an official and scientific report.
", il est effectué chez les nouveau-nés dont les parents appartiennent à un groupe à risque pour cette maladie (essentiellement Afri-que, Antilles et Maghreb)." Translation : are tested : the new-borns who have a parent belonging to a risk group (mainly Africa, Antilles, Maghreb).
Now you can try pretending there's this huge Greek community that no one talks about and who get tested too.
"La drépanocytose n'est pas une maladie très rare. Elle est particulièrement fréquente dans les populations d'origine africaine subsaharienne, des Antilles, d'Inde, du Moyen-Orient et du bassin méditerranéen particulièrement en Grèce et en Italie."
"Drepancytosis is not a rare disease. It is particularly frequent among populations coming from subsaharan African origins, or from the Antilles, India, the Middle-East or around the Meditterranean sea, particularly in Greece and Italy."
Mind you, there was a very strong Italian, Portugese and Spanish immigration wave at the beginning of the century, so there ARE many French people of Mediterranean descent. That the tested people come "essentialy" from somewhere can mean 60%, too.
Apart from dubvious informations and high schoold philosophy, you don't seem to have much to offer.
Also, Hollande leads with 28%. It's him vs Sarkozy now.
On April 23 2012 02:01 Saumure wrote: Would people voting Bayrou in first round rather vote Sarkozy or Hollande in the second round?
Holland probably. As will most of the other candidades followers (exept LePen which will either vote sarkozy or just won't vote).
That's not true, it will depend on what Bayrou says, if he doesn't support any of the two it will be 50/50.
To sum up, sarkozy is going to win over the people who voted for Le pen by throwing his racist ideas in the mix, while Hollande will try to get the people who voted for Mélenchon and other left wing candidates
Oh yeah, prepare for a xenophobic shitstorm to secure far-right votes.
Le Pen would be really dumb not to call for a Sarkozy vote, too. The Senate is dominated by the left, if the president and the assembly are too then the whole government will be against her.
On April 23 2012 01:06 ronpaul012 wrote: I'm really finding this French election interesting. I'm hoping Sarkozy pulls off a miracle and wins, but I don't see that happening, at least from what I've been reading. I understand a lot of the parties stances on certain issues, but I'm curious to one question if any of the French here could answer. How does the voting break down by demographic there? Is it mostly by age, race, socioeconomic status, or fairly balanced? Also, who do these different groups tend to vote for?
Mostly by age i'ld say. I think we could tell apart 3 global groups:
18-25 yo 26-50 yo 50-... yo
18-25's mostly vote from center to left wing (far left include) 26-50 mostly vote from right to left (far right/far left non include) 50 to the end vote from far right to far left but most of them will just vote for whatever they are used to vote for.
But then again, socioeconomic status play their role so most civil servant will vote left wing, unemployed will vote far left/left wing and CEO from what we call PME (litteral translation is "small or medium sized company) will vote from right to left...I think age is more accurate to define groups in France tho'.
Awesome thanks. I kind of figured it would be like that, but I didn't want to assume.
hmm, very interesting. What about her policies do the young voters like so much? Is it more of the economic policies or the social policies? That poll on that website seems to show that a good amount of the new supporters switched from hollande, and from my outside perspective it seems as if the two are not very close in policies.
EPT
