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On March 15 2012 09:38 gbooo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 09:33 MaestroSC wrote:
My only thing is when u log into League of Legends during a major tournament. The opening screen is a GIANT full screen thing that says "CLick here to watch professional LoL Matches...blahblabhalbhmarketing stuff here but im lazy".
I have 15+ friends who had never had any interest in esports who when they logged into LoL they clicked that, and now they enjoy watching LoL pro's
Seriously Riot is LIGHTYEARS ahead of Blizzard in promoting their game into an esport.
Sc2 is an esport because the players hype it and the community does all of the work.
LoL is an esport because Riot hypes the shit out of hit, does all of the work, and then markets the shit out of it and shows people where they can find it.
Seriously its disgusting how little of Bnet 2.0 that blizzard uses... when they created all of it for these reasons.
Riot communicates with its pro players on a regular basis and will literally adjust the game on a weekly basis to try to get to a sense of balance.
Why LoL will eventually outgrow SC2 for the mainpart (in my opinion) it is a much more casual game, with a much lower skill cap and is more accessible to the masses http://www.riotgames.com/company/teamLook at the management for Riot games, they're mostly former consultants or financial advisers for major firms. I'm willing to bet Blizzard management is full of game developers first. Now w're seeing the results of different management strategies.
That's actually pretty interesting. But then again, I'm sure the top brass at Activision is mostly consultants, business, management people too. Maybe a couple at Blizzard at well.
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On March 15 2012 13:06 SeventhPride wrote:
One of the reasons why it is dying in korea is because its sooo easy compared to brood war. When you listen to the commentators, you hear them saying, "oh those forcefields" "oh those fungals" "oh those emps". Sc2 is so easy that casters are hyping things that are easy to make it sound hard. In korea, they are so used to the difficult mechanics of broodwar that sc2 controls are like a joke to them especially since korean are so exposed to brood war with it being on tv. So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?
And I agree with the fact that its because its free, free means more viewers, more viewers means more sponsors. Whether you like it or not , a game receive sponsors not base on its skill level, but its popularity. If a game is more popular, more people will sponsor it, because there you gain more promotion with more viewers. Blizzard really screwed that up by not supporting the sc2 competitive scene and even trying to take money from them
And one of the reasons it's far bigger than BW ever was everywhere except Korea is because it's sooo easy compared to Brood War.
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On March 15 2012 13:06 SeventhPride wrote:
One of the reasons why it is dying in korea is because its sooo easy compared to brood war. When you listen to the commentators, you hear them saying, "oh those forcefields" "oh those fungals" "oh those emps". Sc2 is so easy that casters are hyping things that are easy to make it sound hard. In korea, they are so used to the difficult mechanics of broodwar that sc2 controls are like a joke to them especially since korean are so exposed to brood war with it being on tv. So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?
And I agree with the fact that its because its free, free means more viewers, more viewers means more sponsors. Whether you like it or not , a game receive sponsors not base on its skill level, but its popularity. If a game is more popular, more people will sponsor it, because there you gain more promotion with more viewers. Blizzard really screwed that up by not supporting the sc2 competitive scene and even trying to take money from them
So koreans do not like SC2 because it's so easy... so they instead started watching LoL because according to you it's... even easier than SC2? Think you might be missing something there.
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On March 15 2012 13:27 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:24 Leporello wrote:
More people will play LoL. More people will watch SC2.
LoL can enjoy a huge playerbase, and can therefore host many tournaments. But none of the tournaments are going to have that GSL-level of viewership. None of the LoL players are going to command as much respect as the top SC2 players.
In the end, SC2 is just a much harder, and much more by-the-numbers game. You don't have a roster of variously imba champs, you don't have a team, you just have your race. All the talent you see in SC2 -- the strategy, mind-games, multi-tasking, etc. -- is just so much more obscured in LoL. There's just much more depth to a game like SC2, and it's obvious to see. LoL is a great game and a skill game, but it makes for an extremely dull e-sport. You are so so wrong. LoL eats SC2 alive when it comes to viewers during major tourney(have been like this for at least a year). Not a dull e-sport once you understand whats going on.
What's the biggest LoL tournament? IEM perhaps? You could argue about it. SC2 is at most of these major tournaments -- the reason they might not get noticed as much as LoL in these tournaments is because the best SC2 players aren't even there. They're at the GSL, which unlike LoL, can actually charge people for viewership. So it's kind of like comparing one sport's all-star team to another sport's minor-league team. All it's saying is that LoL's A-squad gets more views than SC2's B-squad.
Also who're the best LoL players? How would you even know that, since it's a team game? Is there such a thing as bonjwa in a team game? You need your Michael Jordans and Kobe Bryants, if you really want that sport-like status.
I think the LoL side of things is cherry-picking facts. When you look at the tournaments that exist today -- LoL doesn't have a GSL, and I'm not sure it ever will.
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On March 15 2012 13:29 cuppatea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:06 SeventhPride wrote:
One of the reasons why it is dying in korea is because its sooo easy compared to brood war. When you listen to the commentators, you hear them saying, "oh those forcefields" "oh those fungals" "oh those emps". Sc2 is so easy that casters are hyping things that are easy to make it sound hard. In korea, they are so used to the difficult mechanics of broodwar that sc2 controls are like a joke to them especially since korean are so exposed to brood war with it being on tv. So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?
And I agree with the fact that its because its free, free means more viewers, more viewers means more sponsors. Whether you like it or not , a game receive sponsors not base on its skill level, but its popularity. If a game is more popular, more people will sponsor it, because there you gain more promotion with more viewers. Blizzard really screwed that up by not supporting the sc2 competitive scene and even trying to take money from them And one of the reasons it's far bigger than BW ever was everywhere except Korea is because it's sooo easy compared to Brood War.
So true, kind of sad really, the amount of people taking hits at LoL and forgetting they are playing a easier game compared to brood war.
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On March 15 2012 13:30 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:06 SeventhPride wrote:
One of the reasons why it is dying in korea is because its sooo easy compared to brood war. When you listen to the commentators, you hear them saying, "oh those forcefields" "oh those fungals" "oh those emps". Sc2 is so easy that casters are hyping things that are easy to make it sound hard. In korea, they are so used to the difficult mechanics of broodwar that sc2 controls are like a joke to them especially since korean are so exposed to brood war with it being on tv. So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?
And I agree with the fact that its because its free, free means more viewers, more viewers means more sponsors. Whether you like it or not , a game receive sponsors not base on its skill level, but its popularity. If a game is more popular, more people will sponsor it, because there you gain more promotion with more viewers. Blizzard really screwed that up by not supporting the sc2 competitive scene and even trying to take money from them So koreans do not like SC2 because it's so easy... so they instead started watching LoL because according to you it's... even easier than SC2? Think you might be missing something there.
I am afraid you didn't read properly. I said Quote from my original line "So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?" please read the post before trying to pick an argument, they have broodwar to set a bench mark for sc2 but LoL is a new game to them so there is no bench mark for them to compete against that's why people get interested in it more. I think you are the one missing something here and your biasness is clouding you.
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wtf... LoL is such a fuckin terrible game. i mean cmon, it's a watered down version of DOTA and even dota isn't fit to be an esport (compared to sc). Sad sad day.
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On March 15 2012 13:33 SeventhPride wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:29 cuppatea wrote:On March 15 2012 13:06 SeventhPride wrote:
One of the reasons why it is dying in korea is because its sooo easy compared to brood war. When you listen to the commentators, you hear them saying, "oh those forcefields" "oh those fungals" "oh those emps". Sc2 is so easy that casters are hyping things that are easy to make it sound hard. In korea, they are so used to the difficult mechanics of broodwar that sc2 controls are like a joke to them especially since korean are so exposed to brood war with it being on tv. So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?
And I agree with the fact that its because its free, free means more viewers, more viewers means more sponsors. Whether you like it or not , a game receive sponsors not base on its skill level, but its popularity. If a game is more popular, more people will sponsor it, because there you gain more promotion with more viewers. Blizzard really screwed that up by not supporting the sc2 competitive scene and even trying to take money from them And one of the reasons it's far bigger than BW ever was everywhere except Korea is because it's sooo easy compared to Brood War. So true, kind of sad really, the amount of people taking hits at LoL and forgetting they are playing a easier game compared to brood war.
Don't be confused, I'm not supporting your view point. Quite the opposite, in fact.
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On March 15 2012 10:54 Grampz wrote:Man, I wish SC2 will eventually rival BW's numbers. Seeing games like League of Legends take over in place of the heir to the throne, it makes my heart turn inside out. =( Really, Can sc2 survive without Korea? Is there any way to get SC2 big in korea, for example OSL? perhaps it would take the big named brood war players, but even then. Maybe HoTS all BW pros switch, and then it gets some notoreity. I just hope for the best. Not hating on LoL, but many people will agree as a spectator sport, it just is very boring to watch. Same way SC2 is compared to bw. 
That's a pretty pathetic game you adore if you need big BW names to switch to gain your so called 'notoreity'.
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On March 15 2012 13:39 cuppatea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:33 SeventhPride wrote:On March 15 2012 13:29 cuppatea wrote:On March 15 2012 13:06 SeventhPride wrote:
One of the reasons why it is dying in korea is because its sooo easy compared to brood war. When you listen to the commentators, you hear them saying, "oh those forcefields" "oh those fungals" "oh those emps". Sc2 is so easy that casters are hyping things that are easy to make it sound hard. In korea, they are so used to the difficult mechanics of broodwar that sc2 controls are like a joke to them especially since korean are so exposed to brood war with it being on tv. So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?
And I agree with the fact that its because its free, free means more viewers, more viewers means more sponsors. Whether you like it or not , a game receive sponsors not base on its skill level, but its popularity. If a game is more popular, more people will sponsor it, because there you gain more promotion with more viewers. Blizzard really screwed that up by not supporting the sc2 competitive scene and even trying to take money from them And one of the reasons it's far bigger than BW ever was everywhere except Korea is because it's sooo easy compared to Brood War. So true, kind of sad really, the amount of people taking hits at LoL and forgetting they are playing a easier game compared to brood war. Don't be confused, I'm not supporting your view point. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Your intentions might not support me, but your wording supports me. So I am fine with that. You are basically saying sc2 is popular internationally because its easier and its true. Look at broodwar, only hardcore players play it, thats why lol will be more popular then sc2 in times to come. Thanks for the unintentional support
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On March 15 2012 13:35 SeventhPride wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:30 RajaF wrote:On March 15 2012 13:06 SeventhPride wrote:
One of the reasons why it is dying in korea is because its sooo easy compared to brood war. When you listen to the commentators, you hear them saying, "oh those forcefields" "oh those fungals" "oh those emps". Sc2 is so easy that casters are hyping things that are easy to make it sound hard. In korea, they are so used to the difficult mechanics of broodwar that sc2 controls are like a joke to them especially since korean are so exposed to brood war with it being on tv. So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?
And I agree with the fact that its because its free, free means more viewers, more viewers means more sponsors. Whether you like it or not , a game receive sponsors not base on its skill level, but its popularity. If a game is more popular, more people will sponsor it, because there you gain more promotion with more viewers. Blizzard really screwed that up by not supporting the sc2 competitive scene and even trying to take money from them So koreans do not like SC2 because it's so easy... so they instead started watching LoL because according to you it's... even easier than SC2? Think you might be missing something there. I am afraid you didn't read properly. I said Quote from my original line "So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?" please read the post before trying to pick an argument, they have broodwar to set a bench mark for sc2 but LoL is a new game to them so there is no bench mark for them to compete against that's why people get interested in it more. I think you are the one missing something here and your biasness is clouding you.
Sorry man, I missread your post. No need to call me biased. I don't really care which game is #1 since I like all competitive games (Street Fighter, SC2, and now getting a bit into LoL).
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On March 15 2012 13:41 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:35 SeventhPride wrote:On March 15 2012 13:30 RajaF wrote:On March 15 2012 13:06 SeventhPride wrote:
One of the reasons why it is dying in korea is because its sooo easy compared to brood war. When you listen to the commentators, you hear them saying, "oh those forcefields" "oh those fungals" "oh those emps". Sc2 is so easy that casters are hyping things that are easy to make it sound hard. In korea, they are so used to the difficult mechanics of broodwar that sc2 controls are like a joke to them especially since korean are so exposed to brood war with it being on tv. So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?
And I agree with the fact that its because its free, free means more viewers, more viewers means more sponsors. Whether you like it or not , a game receive sponsors not base on its skill level, but its popularity. If a game is more popular, more people will sponsor it, because there you gain more promotion with more viewers. Blizzard really screwed that up by not supporting the sc2 competitive scene and even trying to take money from them So koreans do not like SC2 because it's so easy... so they instead started watching LoL because according to you it's... even easier than SC2? Think you might be missing something there. I am afraid you didn't read properly. I said Quote from my original line "So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?" please read the post before trying to pick an argument, they have broodwar to set a bench mark for sc2 but LoL is a new game to them so there is no bench mark for them to compete against that's why people get interested in it more. I think you are the one missing something here and your biasness is clouding you. Sorry man, I missread your post. No need to call me biased. I don't really care which game is #1 since I like all competitive games (Street Fighter, SC2, and now getting a bit into LoL).
its okay, same with me, I play all games, don't really give a damn what games are number 1. Though I would argue monster hunter is the best game ever. :D
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On March 15 2012 13:24 Leporello wrote:
Also who're the best LoL players? How would you even know that, since it's a team game? Is there such a thing as bonjwa in a team game? You need your Michael Jordans and Kobe Bryants, if you really want that sport-like status
uh did you read what you wrote? What a puzzling back to back contradictory sentences. Just FYI, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played in a team game too..
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What I don't understand about this whole discussion why everyone tries to relate SC2 problems to somekind of missfortune like blizzard not caring about esports, battle.net being so unfriendly, gamers getting casual or everything is dumbed down? Why can't we accept the fact the game is not good? Just check the other thread "nobody is playing 1v1 anymore". The game is very frustrarting and not fun. Of course no one wants to play it, hence no one will watch and there is no need for an esports scene.
Honestly I still love playing BW simply because that game was very good and fun. Thats why it succeded, because it was a good game.
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On March 15 2012 13:44 bokeevboke wrote:
What I don't understand about this whole discussion why everyone tries to relate SC2 problems to somekind of missfortune like blizzard not caring about esports, battle.net being so unfriendly, gamers getting casual or everything is dumbed down? Why can't we accept the fact the game is not good? Just check the other thread "nobody is playing 1v1 anymore". The game is very frustrarting and not fun. Of course no one wants to play it, hence no one will watch and there is no need for an esports scene.
Honestly I still love playing BW simply because that game was very good and fun. Thats why it succeded, because it was a good game.
Sorry but the game is "frustrating and not fun" for people like Idra who think they should win every game because of their 133t skillz and play down the competition as "terrible so I can't predict what they are doing". Everyone else just enjoys the game as it is (which is awesome), although it's sad to see that there are not that many people mentally strong enough not to blame other factors for their perceived failures.
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On March 15 2012 13:33 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:27 Caphe wrote:On March 15 2012 13:24 Leporello wrote:
More people will play LoL. More people will watch SC2.
LoL can enjoy a huge playerbase, and can therefore host many tournaments. But none of the tournaments are going to have that GSL-level of viewership. None of the LoL players are going to command as much respect as the top SC2 players.
In the end, SC2 is just a much harder, and much more by-the-numbers game. You don't have a roster of variously imba champs, you don't have a team, you just have your race. All the talent you see in SC2 -- the strategy, mind-games, multi-tasking, etc. -- is just so much more obscured in LoL. There's just much more depth to a game like SC2, and it's obvious to see. LoL is a great game and a skill game, but it makes for an extremely dull e-sport. You are so so wrong. LoL eats SC2 alive when it comes to viewers during major tourney(have been like this for at least a year). Not a dull e-sport once you understand whats going on. What's the biggest LoL tournament? IEM perhaps? You could argue about it. SC2 is at most of these major tournaments -- the reason they might not get noticed as much as LoL in these tournaments is because the best SC2 players aren't even there. They're at the GSL, which unlike LoL, can actually charge people for viewership. So it's kind of like comparing one sport's all-star team to another sport's minor-league team. All it's saying is that LoL's A-squad gets more views than SC2's B-squad. Also who're the best LoL players? How would you even know that, since it's a team game? Is there such a thing as bonjwa in a team game? You need your Michael Jordans and Kobe Bryants, if you really want that sport-like status. I think the LoL side of things is cherry-picking facts. When you look at the tournaments that exist today -- LoL doesn't have a GSL, and I'm not sure it ever will.
lol at every single event LoL seems to smash SC2 in viewers. Where exactly are you seeing SC2 surpass LoL?
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is anyone surprised? sc2 has taken such a backseat at blizzard and everyone knows it.
no one wants to play a game that desperately needs improvements and content and isn't getting it. there's only so many times blizzard can say "coming soon" before people call their BS.
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On March 15 2012 10:02 Ferric wrote:
If the game is so easy, I'd invite any player to get to level 30 and maintain a 70% win rate in ranked. That amount of time should be more than sufficient if the game is so easy to learn, and maintaining a 70% win rate shouldn't be a big deal if the game is so easy to play. Post results from date of start, date of 30, and date of final w/l ratio, and I'm sure you'll convince the community what an easy game it is.
thats a pretty retarded thing to say
just because its easy doesnt give you higher win ratio because its easier for your opponent aswell.
if anything the easier the game the closer everyone is to 50% by default
i dont think blizzard is doing anything terribly wrong which is the result of this. ever since i started playing games like diablo, dota and wow were always more popular than lets say bw or wc3.
i think lol is just the right type of game and got released at the right time. and the way they are advertising the game and so on is what makes it explode.
i dont know much about the game but i heard its free and everyone knows what this game is, sounds like they are pretty much on the ball
i dont think lol really threats sc2 to get killed or anything like that as long as we keep up as many viewers and people we have right now. so no need to hate on that game.
my personal opinion is i think its stupid a game like that can be called an esport but who am i to decide that really
this game is perhaps exactly whats needed to make esport mainstream, and after a while people will realize games like sc2 are much more fun to watch, more balanced and takes a much higher skill to play. then sc2 might finally become as big as day9 is dreaming of ^^
i think blizzard has some things to learn from lol on how to advertise and get the game popular, aswell as bring out the esport side of it and show it to the world
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Is LoL really this big?
This just makes me sad... So sad..
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On March 15 2012 13:44 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:24 Leporello wrote:
Also who're the best LoL players? How would you even know that, since it's a team game? Is there such a thing as bonjwa in a team game? You need your Michael Jordans and Kobe Bryants, if you really want that sport-like status.
uh did you read what you wrote? What a puzzling back to back contradictory sentences. Just FYI, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played in a team game too.. [/b]
This is when comparing sports to e-sports doesn't match.
Michael Jordan dominated basketball. You can not argue that he was the best player in the world for his era. So who, then, is the best LoL player in the world? Most LoL players I know would actually say that's a stupid question with no answer.
So I don't feel my comparison was totally inappropriate. Sports need story-lines, and story-lines need faces and personalities. SC2 has had that with MVP, MC, and Nestea. Flash and The Emperor? Who is going to give LoL that kind of identity? M5? I don't think so.
But this is going outside my original point, which is that LoL simply isn't as engrossing to watch as SC2.
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