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On March 15 2012 13:40 SeventhPride wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:39 cuppatea wrote:On March 15 2012 13:33 SeventhPride wrote:On March 15 2012 13:29 cuppatea wrote:On March 15 2012 13:06 SeventhPride wrote:
One of the reasons why it is dying in korea is because its sooo easy compared to brood war. When you listen to the commentators, you hear them saying, "oh those forcefields" "oh those fungals" "oh those emps". Sc2 is so easy that casters are hyping things that are easy to make it sound hard. In korea, they are so used to the difficult mechanics of broodwar that sc2 controls are like a joke to them especially since korean are so exposed to brood war with it being on tv. So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?
And I agree with the fact that its because its free, free means more viewers, more viewers means more sponsors. Whether you like it or not , a game receive sponsors not base on its skill level, but its popularity. If a game is more popular, more people will sponsor it, because there you gain more promotion with more viewers. Blizzard really screwed that up by not supporting the sc2 competitive scene and even trying to take money from them And one of the reasons it's far bigger than BW ever was everywhere except Korea is because it's sooo easy compared to Brood War. So true, kind of sad really, the amount of people taking hits at LoL and forgetting they are playing a easier game compared to brood war. Don't be confused, I'm not supporting your view point. Quite the opposite, in fact. Your intentions might not support me, but your wording supports me. So I am fine with that. You are basically saying sc2 is popular internationally because its easier and its true. Look at broodwar, only hardcore players play it, thats why lol will be more popular then sc2 in times to come. Thanks for the unintentional support
We agree that the game is easier than BW and that it's international popularity owes a lot to that but unlike you I don't think that's a bad thing and I'm not going to look down on SC2 for being more accessible than it's predecessor.
If having the competitive scene be smaller in Korea is the price to be paid for it being much bigger everywhere else then I'm fine with that.
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If LoL had better casters i would watch it over sc2.
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On March 15 2012 13:50 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:33 Leporello wrote:On March 15 2012 13:27 Caphe wrote:On March 15 2012 13:24 Leporello wrote:
More people will play LoL. More people will watch SC2.
LoL can enjoy a huge playerbase, and can therefore host many tournaments. But none of the tournaments are going to have that GSL-level of viewership. None of the LoL players are going to command as much respect as the top SC2 players.
In the end, SC2 is just a much harder, and much more by-the-numbers game. You don't have a roster of variously imba champs, you don't have a team, you just have your race. All the talent you see in SC2 -- the strategy, mind-games, multi-tasking, etc. -- is just so much more obscured in LoL. There's just much more depth to a game like SC2, and it's obvious to see. LoL is a great game and a skill game, but it makes for an extremely dull e-sport. You are so so wrong. LoL eats SC2 alive when it comes to viewers during major tourney(have been like this for at least a year). Not a dull e-sport once you understand whats going on. What's the biggest LoL tournament? IEM perhaps? You could argue about it. SC2 is at most of these major tournaments -- the reason they might not get noticed as much as LoL in these tournaments is because the best SC2 players aren't even there. They're at the GSL, which unlike LoL, can actually charge people for viewership. So it's kind of like comparing one sport's all-star team to another sport's minor-league team. All it's saying is that LoL's A-squad gets more views than SC2's B-squad. Also who're the best LoL players? How would you even know that, since it's a team game? Is there such a thing as bonjwa in a team game? You need your Michael Jordans and Kobe Bryants, if you really want that sport-like status. I think the LoL side of things is cherry-picking facts. When you look at the tournaments that exist today -- LoL doesn't have a GSL, and I'm not sure it ever will. lol at every single event LoL seems to smash SC2 in viewers. Where exactly are you seeing SC2 surpass LoL?
The GSL, as I said, where the top SC2 players are. In looking only at tournaments that LoL and SC2 players both participate in, you're comparing the best of LoL to the leftovers of SC2.
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On March 15 2012 13:56 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:44 dtz wrote:On March 15 2012 13:24 Leporello wrote:
Also who're the best LoL players? How would you even know that, since it's a team game? Is there such a thing as bonjwa in a team game? You need your Michael Jordans and Kobe Bryants, if you really want that sport-like status.
uh did you read what you wrote? What a puzzling back to back contradictory sentences. Just FYI, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played in a team game too.. This is when comparing sports to e-sports doesn't match. Michael Jordan dominated basketball. You can not argue that he was the best player in the world for his era. So who, then, is the best LoL player in the world? Most LoL players I know would actually say that's a stupid question with no answer. So I don't feel my comparison was totally inappropriate. Sports need story-lines, and story-lines need faces and personalities. SC2 has had that with MVP, MC, and Nestea. Flash and The Emperor? Who is going to give LoL that kind of identity? M5? I don't think so. But this is going outside my original point, which is that LoL simply isn't as engrossing to watch as SC2. [/b]
So Jordan could of won all those titles by himself huh. No need for the other four guys on the team (which btw are almost as famous as Jordan is). And considering the massive ammounts of viewers that actually watch LoL compared to SC2, I would say that your original point is already invalid.
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On March 15 2012 13:56 cuppatea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:40 SeventhPride wrote:On March 15 2012 13:39 cuppatea wrote:On March 15 2012 13:33 SeventhPride wrote:On March 15 2012 13:29 cuppatea wrote:On March 15 2012 13:06 SeventhPride wrote:
One of the reasons why it is dying in korea is because its sooo easy compared to brood war. When you listen to the commentators, you hear them saying, "oh those forcefields" "oh those fungals" "oh those emps". Sc2 is so easy that casters are hyping things that are easy to make it sound hard. In korea, they are so used to the difficult mechanics of broodwar that sc2 controls are like a joke to them especially since korean are so exposed to brood war with it being on tv. So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?
And I agree with the fact that its because its free, free means more viewers, more viewers means more sponsors. Whether you like it or not , a game receive sponsors not base on its skill level, but its popularity. If a game is more popular, more people will sponsor it, because there you gain more promotion with more viewers. Blizzard really screwed that up by not supporting the sc2 competitive scene and even trying to take money from them And one of the reasons it's far bigger than BW ever was everywhere except Korea is because it's sooo easy compared to Brood War. So true, kind of sad really, the amount of people taking hits at LoL and forgetting they are playing a easier game compared to brood war. Don't be confused, I'm not supporting your view point. Quite the opposite, in fact. Your intentions might not support me, but your wording supports me. So I am fine with that. You are basically saying sc2 is popular internationally because its easier and its true. Look at broodwar, only hardcore players play it, thats why lol will be more popular then sc2 in times to come. Thanks for the unintentional support We agree that the game is easier than BW and that it's international popularity owes a lot to that but unlike you I don't think that's a bad thing and I'm not going to look down on SC2 for being more accessible than it's predecessor. If having the competitive scene be smaller in Korea is the price to be paid for it being much bigger everywhere else then I'm fine with that.
When have I said its a bad thing? Which part of my lines said " oh its bad that sc2 is easier then broodwar". I am saying and again I quote myself "So true, kind of sad really, the amount of people taking hits at LoL and forgetting they are playing a easier game compared to brood war". Which means why are you taking hits at LoL when sc2 is easier then bw, You really need to read properly man. I know sc2 is like "THE THING" to you, but you are being wayyyy to offended by me without reading what I said properly.
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Wow, the amount of hate on LoL astounds me....
By insulting LoL as an esports, does nothing to help esports in general. It doesn't some how make SC2 shine brighter as an esports, it doesn't make any other esports look better by shitting on LoL. In fact all it does is show how immature the entire esports community is.
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On March 15 2012 13:59 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:50 FabledIntegral wrote:On March 15 2012 13:33 Leporello wrote:On March 15 2012 13:27 Caphe wrote:On March 15 2012 13:24 Leporello wrote:
More people will play LoL. More people will watch SC2.
LoL can enjoy a huge playerbase, and can therefore host many tournaments. But none of the tournaments are going to have that GSL-level of viewership. None of the LoL players are going to command as much respect as the top SC2 players.
In the end, SC2 is just a much harder, and much more by-the-numbers game. You don't have a roster of variously imba champs, you don't have a team, you just have your race. All the talent you see in SC2 -- the strategy, mind-games, multi-tasking, etc. -- is just so much more obscured in LoL. There's just much more depth to a game like SC2, and it's obvious to see. LoL is a great game and a skill game, but it makes for an extremely dull e-sport. You are so so wrong. LoL eats SC2 alive when it comes to viewers during major tourney(have been like this for at least a year). Not a dull e-sport once you understand whats going on. What's the biggest LoL tournament? IEM perhaps? You could argue about it. SC2 is at most of these major tournaments -- the reason they might not get noticed as much as LoL in these tournaments is because the best SC2 players aren't even there. They're at the GSL, which unlike LoL, can actually charge people for viewership. So it's kind of like comparing one sport's all-star team to another sport's minor-league team. All it's saying is that LoL's A-squad gets more views than SC2's B-squad. Also who're the best LoL players? How would you even know that, since it's a team game? Is there such a thing as bonjwa in a team game? You need your Michael Jordans and Kobe Bryants, if you really want that sport-like status. I think the LoL side of things is cherry-picking facts. When you look at the tournaments that exist today -- LoL doesn't have a GSL, and I'm not sure it ever will. lol at every single event LoL seems to smash SC2 in viewers. Where exactly are you seeing SC2 surpass LoL? The GSL, as I said, where the top SC2 players are. In looking only at tournaments that LoL and SC2 players both participate in, you're comparing the best of LoL to the leftovers of SC2.
Top players =/= high viewership
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On March 15 2012 14:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Wow, the amount of hate on LoL astounds me....
By insulting LoL as an esports, does nothing to help esports in general. It doesn't some how make SC2 shine brighter as an esports, it doesn't make any other esports look better by shitting on LoL. In fact all it does is show how immature the entire esports community is.
lol, so true, people want the game they play to be "the one game" of esports instead of supporting everything in general. People all want others to know that their game requires more skill then the ones others play to feel good about themselves. Silly actually, I came from brood war and I will support any game that promotes esports instead of trying to prove to the world how "difficult" my game is.
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GSL is like a local lan party.
OSL is an actual tournament.
Sorry, just had to let it out.
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On March 15 2012 14:00 SeventhPride wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 13:56 cuppatea wrote:On March 15 2012 13:40 SeventhPride wrote:On March 15 2012 13:39 cuppatea wrote:On March 15 2012 13:33 SeventhPride wrote:On March 15 2012 13:29 cuppatea wrote:On March 15 2012 13:06 SeventhPride wrote:
One of the reasons why it is dying in korea is because its sooo easy compared to brood war. When you listen to the commentators, you hear them saying, "oh those forcefields" "oh those fungals" "oh those emps". Sc2 is so easy that casters are hyping things that are easy to make it sound hard. In korea, they are so used to the difficult mechanics of broodwar that sc2 controls are like a joke to them especially since korean are so exposed to brood war with it being on tv. So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?
And I agree with the fact that its because its free, free means more viewers, more viewers means more sponsors. Whether you like it or not , a game receive sponsors not base on its skill level, but its popularity. If a game is more popular, more people will sponsor it, because there you gain more promotion with more viewers. Blizzard really screwed that up by not supporting the sc2 competitive scene and even trying to take money from them And one of the reasons it's far bigger than BW ever was everywhere except Korea is because it's sooo easy compared to Brood War. So true, kind of sad really, the amount of people taking hits at LoL and forgetting they are playing a easier game compared to brood war. Don't be confused, I'm not supporting your view point. Quite the opposite, in fact. Your intentions might not support me, but your wording supports me. So I am fine with that. You are basically saying sc2 is popular internationally because its easier and its true. Look at broodwar, only hardcore players play it, thats why lol will be more popular then sc2 in times to come. Thanks for the unintentional support We agree that the game is easier than BW and that it's international popularity owes a lot to that but unlike you I don't think that's a bad thing and I'm not going to look down on SC2 for being more accessible than it's predecessor. If having the competitive scene be smaller in Korea is the price to be paid for it being much bigger everywhere else then I'm fine with that. When have I said its a bad thing? Which part of my lines said " oh its bad that sc2 is easier then broodwar". I am saying and again I quote myself "So true, kind of sad really, the amount of people taking hits at LoL and forgetting they are playing a easier game compared to brood war". Which means why are you taking hits at LoL when sc2 is easier then bw, You really need to read properly man. I know sc2 is like "THE THING" to you, but you are being wayyyy to offended by me without reading what I said properly.
SC2 is "THE THING" to me? Now who's making shit up?
The only online game I've played for the past 8 months is LoL and I think the SC2 elitists bashing on it for being too easy to be an esport are just as pathetic as the BW elitists who have been spouting the same shit about SC2 for the past 2 years.
While you didn't directly state that SC2 being easier than BW is a bad thing your first post certainly suggested as much, referring to the game as "inferior", a "joke" and "so easy."
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On March 15 2012 14:06 supernovamaniac wrote:
GSL is like a local lan party.
OSL is an actual tournament.
Sorry, just had to let it out.
Oh boy, get ready to be burned man, fan boys don't like it when their game is being compared to brood war.
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On March 15 2012 14:07 SeventhPride wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 14:06 supernovamaniac wrote:
GSL is like a local lan party.
OSL is an actual tournament.
Sorry, just had to let it out. Oh boy, get ready to be burned man, fan boys don't like it when their game is being compared to brood war.
My mistake
LoL is a huge tournament.
Nuff said
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On March 15 2012 14:07 cuppatea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 14:00 SeventhPride wrote:On March 15 2012 13:56 cuppatea wrote:On March 15 2012 13:40 SeventhPride wrote:On March 15 2012 13:39 cuppatea wrote:On March 15 2012 13:33 SeventhPride wrote:On March 15 2012 13:29 cuppatea wrote:On March 15 2012 13:06 SeventhPride wrote:
One of the reasons why it is dying in korea is because its sooo easy compared to brood war. When you listen to the commentators, you hear them saying, "oh those forcefields" "oh those fungals" "oh those emps". Sc2 is so easy that casters are hyping things that are easy to make it sound hard. In korea, they are so used to the difficult mechanics of broodwar that sc2 controls are like a joke to them especially since korean are so exposed to brood war with it being on tv. So why would they NOT support a new game, instead of a game that is inferior to its predecessor?
And I agree with the fact that its because its free, free means more viewers, more viewers means more sponsors. Whether you like it or not , a game receive sponsors not base on its skill level, but its popularity. If a game is more popular, more people will sponsor it, because there you gain more promotion with more viewers. Blizzard really screwed that up by not supporting the sc2 competitive scene and even trying to take money from them And one of the reasons it's far bigger than BW ever was everywhere except Korea is because it's sooo easy compared to Brood War. So true, kind of sad really, the amount of people taking hits at LoL and forgetting they are playing a easier game compared to brood war. Don't be confused, I'm not supporting your view point. Quite the opposite, in fact. Your intentions might not support me, but your wording supports me. So I am fine with that. You are basically saying sc2 is popular internationally because its easier and its true. Look at broodwar, only hardcore players play it, thats why lol will be more popular then sc2 in times to come. Thanks for the unintentional support We agree that the game is easier than BW and that it's international popularity owes a lot to that but unlike you I don't think that's a bad thing and I'm not going to look down on SC2 for being more accessible than it's predecessor. If having the competitive scene be smaller in Korea is the price to be paid for it being much bigger everywhere else then I'm fine with that. When have I said its a bad thing? Which part of my lines said " oh its bad that sc2 is easier then broodwar". I am saying and again I quote myself "So true, kind of sad really, the amount of people taking hits at LoL and forgetting they are playing a easier game compared to brood war". Which means why are you taking hits at LoL when sc2 is easier then bw, You really need to read properly man. I know sc2 is like "THE THING" to you, but you are being wayyyy to offended by me without reading what I said properly. SC2 is "THE THING" to me? Now who's making shit up? The only online game I've played for the past 8 months is LoL and I think the SC2 elitists bashing on it for being too easy to be an esport are just as pathetic as the BW elitists who have been spouting the same shit about SC2 for the past 2 years. While you didn't directly state that SC2 being easier than BW is a bad thing your first post certainly suggested as much, referring to the game as "inferior", a "joke" and "so easy."
If you think that "SC2 elitists bashing on it for being too easy to be an esport are just as pathetic as the BW elitists who have been spouting the same shit about SC2 for the past 2 years." then you already support the line where I quote myself "So true, kind of sad really, the amount of people taking hits at LoL and forgetting they are playing a easier game compared to brood war.[" You are obviously lying because I have already explicitly said that its sad when people bash other games just because its easier. And please quote the place where I "Suggested as much" referring to the game as "inferior" a "joke" and "so easy" is to show sc2 fan boys how silly they sound when they bash LoL. Again, read this whole post before inferring points that seem as if its insulting "your game" to you. I did the courtesy of analysing your statements, you should do it to, since you are making my points look stronger.
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On March 14 2012 20:00 Jakkerr wrote:
It's quite sad that such an easy game is now the #1 E-sports game.
That's like live broadcasting rock paper scissors
Watching LoL is like is the closest thing you could get to a "conscious coma."
(The oxymoron makes sense because that is how mind numbingly boring LoL/HoN/DoTA2 is.)
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I'm really glad this is happening. Blizzard/Activision has basically lost all of my respect and loyalty over the course of a year or two. Even with this pre-determined double expansion pack BS, I was willing to stand up for them because WC3 and SC had earned my loyalty. This is no longer the case, I've come to understand that they don't give a single damn about SC2's playerbase, so they can go rot for all I care.
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No wonder why FruitDealer switched over.
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On March 15 2012 14:19 Nanikure wrote:
I'm really glad this is happening. Blizzard/Activision has basically lost all of my respect and loyalty over the course of a year or two. Even with this pre-determined double expansion pack BS, I was willing to stand up for them because WC3 and SC had earned my loyalty. This is no longer the case, I've come to understand that they don't give a single damn about SC2's playerbase, so they can go rot for all I care.
This is how I feel right now. I am so disappointed with Blizzard
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Many years ago in Korea, they saw scbw as the game with the potential. They trained in it and they raised an esports scene out of it. Now it is indisputably regarded as the greatest esport both skill-wise and spectator-wise. This wouldn't have happened anywhere else in the world. I'd like to think that I'm pretty knowledgeable when it comes to competitive gaming, but if LoL is this major in Korea and getting so much support from people with credibility, I cannot give myself the right to say with absolute certainty that LoL is a casual game with no spectator value, even though this is my opinion of it.
With the emergence of teams like M5, it makes us realize how much we still have to learn about LoL and how undeveloped it really is. Years later, perhaps we will realize that all the criticisms are right, that LoL is too casual and doesn't deserve to be an esport. Conversely, maybe Korea will discover skills and strategies in LoL that will make it a truly great esport. Either outcome is possible at this point, and as a true lover of esports, I am going to put all my faith in the latter. Go Korea!
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LoL is basically like Call of Duty while SC2/BW is like CS:S or 1.6. It's way more popular because it's easier to get into, and everybody is "good". It doesn't take as much work to be good at LoL than it does as Starcraft. People don't like working hard, especially for games. Sadly this is the road gaming is going down. It's just gonna get easier and easier.
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