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Fleetfeet
Canada2548 Posts
What is the conclusion you think Blitz drew? I honestly can't pin it down, and this whole thing seems to start with an "I think" statement from Blitz, which would be speculation. Specifically the quote is something like "When your police force is pulling tasers on concerned parents I think this is problem" but I'm a smoothbrain and on mobile so quoting it is beyond me. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
JimmiC: You're misrepresenting my post Blitzkrieg0: I can see how you would take how I phrased that personally. Here is a trolley problem asking the same question JimmiC: Makes up some timeline where trolley problem doesn't make sense instead of answering the question This is my perspective on our exchange today. If you wish to engage further please answer my question instead of posting drivel or just ignore me. Trolley problems are meant to discuss ethics. It doesn't really matter if it's an exact replica of reality although you could point out those short comings in your answer. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4126 Posts
On May 27 2022 01:27 micronesia wrote: Exactly what types of guns would and would not be banned by an effective assault weapons ban? I agree with stricter laws, but that particular question is not easy to answer well. I would assume nothing above 5.56 cal and any weapon with an automatic mode should be the first to be banned. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On May 27 2022 11:16 Dante08 wrote: I would assume nothing above 5.56 cal and any weapon with an automatic mode should be the first to be banned. why 5.56 cal? what is automatic mode? | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On May 27 2022 10:12 JimmiC wrote: This is where it all started and then it just when down hill as he went all rage brain because I didn't just completely agree with his hot take. And it continues to devolve. Yes I think cops should sacrifice themselves for children. My point was we do not know if the first cops went in would we have saved or cost more children? Because we do no know if they would have "got the bad guy" or not. Hell a couple hours ago we all thought some one engaged the shooter outside now we are knowing they did not. But this is the problem with all your posts. You refuse to engage with the premise that every variable isn't known beforehand so you can make the correct decision which is what I pointed out from the beginning. As for "wanting to engage with you" Why would I? If I do not completely agree you throw a little tantrum and start insulting and make up insulting strawman's. I just have been defending incase someone does not take the time to read my post, like you. You have not "engaged" with any of my actual posts, but I should with every part of yours? Talk about having way to high regard for ones self. Feel free to quit at any time if you don't think the conversation is fruitful. On May 27 2022 07:00 JimmiC wrote: Had the first guy ran into the room and not got himself killed and took down the kid, it likely would have been better, had he rushed in and got himself killed it likely would have been much worse. Should have they tried to talk the kid down instead of rushing in when they had the man power, I'm not sure, and I'm not sure hindsight being 20/20 is the best way to analyze this sort of thing because every situation is different. Did he still have hostages? If they rushed in would have he just finished them then? Would have the cops bullets hit them? I do not know any of the answers. Like I said I'm sure there is a lot that could be done better, but every outcome other than the shooter not having a AR is bad. If Trump was around he would run in unarmed and stopped him (his words after a shooting 100 shootings ago or more) but not everyone is Rambo/Trump. This is where I think you lost the plot. You're talking about one lone hero saving the day when there were tons of police on scene. A hostage situation involves healthy captives. If there are children bleeding out from gunshot wounds you have a push situation because you can't save lives by waiting for them to bleed out. I mentioned that several children died from their wounds in the hospital after the fact earlier today already. Maybe you're alluding to this being hindsight analysis here, but I don't think any reasonable person shows up to an active shooter where they hear multiple gunshots and concludes it is a hostage situation. That you decide to weave in Trump at the end just makes your post even more of a joke. What am I supposed to engage with in this post? Clearly you didn't read my link about active shooter protocol because the timeline you invented is doing everything in it wrong which is why I started mocking you. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
I was the person who told you that the lone SRO didn't exist right after you wrote that. I also elaborate on what active shooter protocol is. In the next post you're still talking non sense about the SRO and ignore everything about the active shooter protocol I linked. On May 27 2022 13:00 JimmiC wrote: Your whole information does not matter coos should go jn guns blazing every time IMO is going to not age well when some innocents are killed in one of the next mass shootings. Snd sadly since wr know there will be no action, there will be many more shootings for you to focus on the wrong thing. If what you've taken from this conversation is that cops should go in guns blazing at every opportunity then I'm just going to end the conversion here. | ||
KwarK
United States42569 Posts
Automatic is, at its simplest, defined as >1 shot per trigger pull. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15664 Posts
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On May 27 2022 13:44 Mohdoo wrote: https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1529969734048878592 Just sickening to listen to. Cops aren't here to help the citizens who pay for their livelihoods. It should be crystal clear to everyone after the last two years cops here aren't here to help any of us or our kids. Maybe someone should have told them there was a non-violent drug offender in the school they could bully I'm sure they would've raced in then. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On May 27 2022 13:25 JimmiC wrote: I couldn't tell that was what you were saying because you said both. It was two different sources that gave the two different accounts. Maybe if you were not being an asshole and said something straightforward that actually responded to things I actually said the conversation would go better, go figure. I was under the impression that I was talking to someone with basic knowledge of the thing we were discussing, but that my mistake won't happen again. If you hear a report that your favorite sports team won the game 2-1 and then a report the next day that they actually lost the game 2-1 do you think they both won and lost the game or do you think the initial report was wrong and they lost? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On May 27 2022 13:15 KwarK wrote: Automatic is, at its simplest, defined as >1 shot per trigger pull. Does it make much difference to how many people a shooter can kill? Is spray and pray even a thing when it comes to shooting? | ||
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KwarK
United States42569 Posts
On May 27 2022 14:30 gobbledydook wrote: Does it make much difference to how many people a shooter can kill? Is spray and pray even a thing when it comes to shooting? Depends on the setting. Nightclub or similar is probably just a question of bullet spray. Semi auto rifle will work fine for a smaller setting like a kids classroom. Really the only way forward is no guns. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11497 Posts
On May 27 2022 14:30 gobbledydook wrote: Does it make much difference to how many people a shooter can kill? Is spray and pray even a thing when it comes to shooting? Can we not do this again? Every time this happens, somehow the discussion devolves into a debate about some stupid features on guns that never goes anywhere. It doesn't matter. This shit is a smokescreen. The US will not ban any features on guns. Or any guns at all. No reason to get into the details before the US is actually willing to ever do a thing. The core measure that needs to be taken is stop treating guns as a right, and treat them as a privilege. At the minimum, treat guns like cars. But better, you only get a gun if you have a good reason to own one, and no carry licenses except for people who professionally use that weapon, who require excessive training. (bodyguards or whatever) But that also doesn't matter, because nothing will be done. Kids will keep dying. Republicans will send thoughts and prayers, and talk about mental healthcare, but also not do anything about mental healthcare. Gun produces will keep on making money and bribe republicans with it. And the kids (and other peoples) lives are just a calculated price to keep this shit going. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2548 Posts
I believe Blitz's point is that it doesn't matter whether or not we know the outcome, because there are specific protocols for specific situations. Sure it could go horribly wrong, but if that's the case then the state would need to look back at its protocols and whether or not they were followed. It -sounds like- the protocols weren't followed in this case, and while there's definitely some room for this to be subjective and this isn't my 'conclusion', but I don't think calling Blitz' reaction a 'hot take' is exactly fair. I also strongly believe your commentary about emotions is just projecting. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slydie
1913 Posts
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think this is black and white. | ||
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