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Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1958 Posts
May 25 2022 16:46 GMT
#17681
And honestly i doubt democrats would push for a real and meaningful change to gun legislation. They know that the issue would demand sacrifices and that even if they can push it through with all the political capital, they would lose some demographics forever. And i have the feeling that democrats are not willing to do anything that would damage their support, even if it proved super sane and useful.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
May 25 2022 17:22 GMT
#17682
I would think Dems would gain more support if they actually got some form of gun control accomplished?
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-25 17:26:44
May 25 2022 17:23 GMT
#17683
They'd certainly have a better argument to drive turnout if they did manage to accomplish something like gun control. The impact of independents and swing voters is overstated compared to inspiring turnout.

Also, worth mentioning when it comes to priorities and obstruction, but after the protest at the Supreme Court justice's house, Congress unanimously passed a bill granting them security.

Thats clearly too good for children at school though.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 25 2022 18:04 GMT
#17684
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12420 Posts
May 26 2022 01:36 GMT
#17685
On May 26 2022 03:04 JimmiC wrote:
I might have misread but it sounds like the grandma called the police after she was shot in the face. Sounds like he might have been able to do a bunch more if she hadn't. Scary to think the next one could be worse.


But also apparently the gunman was in the school for like an hour before the cops intervened even though they had exchanged gunfire before he entered the school. That sounds fucked up.

Don't get me wrong the main issue is obviously the lax gun laws but this is also fucked up. This story is hitting several of my Fuck the US buttons at the same time.
No will to live, no wish to die
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 26 2022 01:50 GMT
#17686
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StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-26 02:29:16
May 26 2022 02:28 GMT
#17687
In the US, more children have died in school shootings than police officers have died from gunfire in 2022.

21 police officers have suffered gunfire-related deaths in 2022.

Whereas 24 children have been killed in school shootings so far this year.

Being a child should not be more deadly than being a police officer.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-26 03:02:49
May 26 2022 03:01 GMT
#17688
On May 26 2022 10:36 Nebuchad wrote:
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On May 26 2022 03:04 JimmiC wrote:
I might have misread but it sounds like the grandma called the police after she was shot in the face. Sounds like he might have been able to do a bunch more if she hadn't. Scary to think the next one could be worse.


But also apparently the gunman was in the school for like an hour before the cops intervened even though they had exchanged gunfire before he entered the school. That sounds fucked up.

Don't get me wrong the main issue is obviously the lax gun laws but this is also fucked up. This story is hitting several of my Fuck the US buttons at the same time.

I could be very cynical about this. So I will. Fuck that shit. You don't become a pistol-carrying police officer who gets whatever the fuck kind of training you even get anymore, telling unsuspecting people that your job is to "protect and serve", only to let dozens of innocent kids get shot dead in the middle of the school day. They stood by and let this shit happen.

Apparently other bystanders were shouting at them to do something, and had to contemplate charging the shooter themselves because the police weren't doing shit. Good guy with a gun, indeed.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-26 14:12:57
May 26 2022 14:12 GMT
#17689
What is more disheartening is the statement by the police:

The bottom line is law enforcement was there,” McCraw said. “They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom.


They contained the shooter in a classroom full of children he could murder so there was no point going in. Blue lives matter more than children apparently.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 26 2022 14:51 GMT
#17690
...You're not containing anything if the shooter with a gun is stuck in the room with all the people he's looking to kill. But no, we oughta be happy the police officers had a pulse that day. And they still do, unlike those kids.

Doing a whole lot to instill the public's confidence in the police as an institution, that's for sure.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
May 26 2022 15:37 GMT
#17691
Not sure if this had been mentioned but shouldn't the first step be to ban assault weapons? Guns are probably not going anywhere in America but banning assault weapons would probably be a massive step in the right direction. Shootings would be so much less deadly if assault weapons were hard to come by.

No one needs to own an assault weapon for self defence.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 26 2022 15:41 GMT
#17692
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-26 15:46:43
May 26 2022 15:45 GMT
#17693
The political pressure to enact gun control isn't there because Republicans have successfully sold the lie that it wouldn't make a difference with regard to mass shootings, and gun violence in general.

They essentially convinced people that if chefs didn't have access to sharp knives, they would still find a way to slice and prep all the food, and still have the exact same output. The tool specifically designed for that exact job, which makes it significantly easier to do, has nothing to do with how much and how successfully people are doing it. Somehow.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
May 26 2022 16:03 GMT
#17694
On May 27 2022 00:37 Dante08 wrote:
Not sure if this had been mentioned but shouldn't the first step be to ban assault weapons? Guns are probably not going anywhere in America but banning assault weapons would probably be a massive step in the right direction. Shootings would be so much less deadly if assault weapons were hard to come by.

No one needs to own an assault weapon for self defence.


That would require 10 Republican senators to vote for it. Every time Democrats try to pass any gun control legislation it is 100% opposed by Republicans. Having complete, unrestricted access to guns is an entrenched part of American Conservative identity now due to decades of propaganda by the gun lobby.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24761 Posts
May 26 2022 16:27 GMT
#17695
Exactly what types of guns would and would not be banned by an effective assault weapons ban? I agree with stricter laws, but that particular question is not easy to answer well.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-26 16:53:20
May 26 2022 16:52 GMT
#17696
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 26 2022 16:55 GMT
#17697
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-26 17:25:06
May 26 2022 17:20 GMT
#17698
On May 27 2022 01:55 JimmiC wrote:
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On May 26 2022 23:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
What is more disheartening is the statement by the police:

The bottom line is law enforcement was there,” McCraw said. “They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom.


They contained the shooter in a classroom full of children he could murder so there was no point going in. Blue lives matter more than children apparently.

I'm not sure there was much to be done, how long does it take to kill a room full kids with a AR? And then if the couple who were there get shot by him by rushing in how many more can kill?


So you're saying that you wouldn't help children because they're probably already dead so no point risking your life? I find that a distasteful attitude for a police force.

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When your police force is pulling tasers on concerned parents I think that is a problem.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 26 2022 17:35 GMT
#17699
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 26 2022 17:37 GMT
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