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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
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Slydie
2002 Posts
On October 14 2021 07:03 Excludos wrote: 10 years since the last mass murder/terror attack in Norway. At least this wasn't as big as the previous. No confirmed motives yet, but we can definitively conclude with "insanity" Don't forget the 2019 Oslo mosque attack which could easily have gone a lot worse. The terrorist killed his sister first. But my instincts tell me this shooter was not a politically motivated terrorist. He was known by the police, and his targets seemed chosen for hitting people in several locations. In some ways, it is even more disturbing someone can attack random people at a random, peaceful location in this horrible way. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
Also should have used more weapons. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
@Sapaio do I get this right? He killed people AFTER he had initial contact with police and escaped? | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On October 14 2021 18:41 Silvanel wrote: Same info on BBC (ragarding nationality, conversion and radicalization): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58910794 @Sapaio do I get this right? He killed people AFTER he had initial contact with police and escaped? Patruljen var bevæbnet og fik første gang øje på manden 18.18. De blev herefter beskudt af pile og mistede gerningsmanden af syne. Politiet formoder, at det er i det efterfølgende tidsrum, samtlige drab har fundet sted. Ofrene blev dræbt over et større område, og manden blev først endeligt anholdt 18.47 This is rough translation, but a police patrol meet the suspect at 18.18, where he shoots arrow at them, and loss sight of him After that all the killings took place over a larger area before finally being arrested at18.48. Also the family says he was crazy and tried to get him help, he refused to take medicin. The parents had restraining order on him. Apparently after visit where they felt threatened after he put a gun at the tabel. | ||
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Slydie
2002 Posts
On October 14 2021 18:57 Sapaio wrote: This is rough translation, but a police patrol meet the suspect at 18.18, where he shoots arrow at them, and loss sight of him After that all the killings took place over a larger area before finally being arrested at18.48. Yes. Unfortunately, this case seems like a strong argument to arm the police. If all or some of the victims were killed after the first confrontation, lives could have been saved if they had more weapons available. The question is that arming the police also leads to bad judgment shots and might alienate the police from the public. This kind of situations are very rare. The Norwegian police decided to arm themselves following the attack as an emergency measure, probably fearing copycat strikes. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
See here: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-killings-by-country Its not about police being armed, its about training, law (limitations on gun use by police), mentality and internal policies of gun usage. | ||
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Slydie
2002 Posts
On October 14 2021 19:51 Silvanel wrote: Polish police is armed and we have 1/3 of police killings of Norway and 1/10 of Finland (in 2021). See here: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-killings-by-country Its not about police being armed, its about training, law (limitations on gun use by police), mentality and internal policies of gun usage. It is encouraging to hear Poland has low level of police killings despite being armed. That being said, talking of 1/3 does not make sense in this case as the actual numbers are 1 for Norway, 2 for Poland and 3 for Finland, and they only counted one year. The only conclusion should be that the numbers are very low for all 3 countries. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8278 Posts
On October 14 2021 20:49 Slydie wrote: It is encouraging to hear Poland has low level of police killings despite being armed. That being said, talking of 1/3 does not make sense in this case as the actual numbers are 1 for Norway, 2 for Poland and 3 for Finland, and they only counted one year. The only conclusion should be that the numbers are very low for all 3 countries. The numbers are indeed too small to consider any variation anything other than well within the margin of error. That said, Norway did actually try to arm their police a while back. While the number of people killed by police didn't go up, the number of accidental discharges skyrocketed. This could be a result of lacking training I'm sure, but guns are inherently simply dangerous tools that can cause lethal damage with the slightest mistake. There's a reason we in the military are only handed bullets at the shooting range, and then checked thoroughly before we can leave it. If everyone in our forces walked around armed all day, the amount of accidental discharges and deaths would be completely unacceptable. | ||
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Slydie
2002 Posts
On October 14 2021 18:41 Silvanel wrote: Same info on BBC (ragarding nationality, conversion and radicalization): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58910794 @Sapaio do I get this right? He killed people AFTER he had initial contact with police and escaped? Some more info about this has emerged. The suspect's name is Espen Andersen, which is unfortunate as there are over 150 of Norwegains sharing that name. I personally know one of them. People in the Kongsberg mosque were interviewed, but it seemed like he wasn't really into Islam, but rather had some kind of revelation. Maybe converting was more an idea to grab attention? It would surprise me a lot if this turns out to really be religiously motivated terror, even though he might try to frame it as such. Andersen has explained in detail why he did what he did, but what he said has not been made public yet. Source in Norwegian. https://www.nrk.no/norge/moskeen-pa-kongsberg-vurderte-a-varsle-politiet-1.15690784 There are multiple sources stating this was a social outcast with serious psychological problems. Also, there were some new details about the attack itself. -The police officers were armed during their first encounter, but did not get in position to shoot. The police was shot after with arrows. -The "life threatening attack" protocall was used quickly. -All the killings happened after the initial confrontation. There were alarm-bells sounding about Andersen earlier, but it is not yet known why more wasn't done to prevent this. https://www.nrk.no/ytring/sporsmalene-politiet-ma-svare-pa-1.15690518 | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On December 01 2021 12:15 JimmiC wrote: School shooting in Michigan, 3 dead 8 injured. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/authorities-student-kills-3-wounds-8-at-michigan-school/ar-AARjs9u?li=AAggFp4 I still remember what a shock Columbine was, and now here we are with almost weekly mass shootings. We just need to arm more people obviously, each student should have their own rifle so these mass shooters would think twice. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12527 Posts
“Student interpretations of social media posts and false information have exacerbated the overall concern,” the Nov. 12 letter reads. “We want our parents and students to know there has been no threat to our building nor our students.” => Yikes. Was looking into this because I was wondering why a student didn't go that day because he felt there could be a shooting, it was weird to me that he would know enough to not go but not enough to warn others or authorities. But apparently you can warn authorities and get this message :/ | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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micronesia
United States24799 Posts
When I was in high school, someone wrote on the bathroom wall, “if you thought Columbine was bad, wait till June 1st.” Fortunately, there was no shooting that day. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12527 Posts
On December 01 2021 21:01 micronesia wrote: I think thousands of letters like that go out without incident. When I was in high school, someone wrote on the bathroom wall, “if you thought Columbine was bad, wait till June 1st.” Fortunately, there was no shooting that day. No argument there, threats with no merit exist for sure. And yet if a shooting had happened in your school on June 1st and your school had issued a message about how they had investigated the bathroom wall message, everything is fine and people should stop worrying others needlessly on social media, two weeks prior, that would still be a yikes from me ^^' | ||
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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
Sad, sad, sad... https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-24-22 | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1190 Posts
Gun control! But muh Freeeduuuuhm! Okay, see you next time. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8921 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8278 Posts
On May 25 2022 19:07 evilfatsh1t wrote: no words for the continued lack of change to americas gun policies. the silence in this thread says it all. School shooting in the US is barely news any more. People have been fighting the fight for so long, and literally nothing has changed. As long as republicans have a say in how the country is run, nothing is going to improve in any of the numerous issues they have over there | ||
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