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On December 08 2018 04:38 Danglars wrote:


Watch out if you disagree on what to do, because that might not fall under “and people disagree about what to do” and rather it’s “The Big Gun Control Debate.”

I thought he agreed with me on bump stocks and red flag laws, but funny enough those things disappear when you’re on a roll. Tell me where your big red line is on how much more gun control you have to be in favor of to qualify for debating additional measures. Shade it in “not a dick” and “absolutely a dick” above and below the line if you please.

On December 08 2018 04:55 JimmiC wrote:

Do you really need lessons on how not to be a dick? Actually this makes a lot of sense. I'd be happy to help. You basically disagree with people without being condescending towards their point. You also don't argue only part of their point while ignoring others. If you find an article that you think helps your cause (after 1000's the other way) you don't post it with a "I got you". And you add some balance to your point and concede if others make sense.

Hope that helps!

On December 08 2018 06:38 JimmiC wrote:

A lot of people you think are on the same side have different opinions on what should be done and get along. It is not what you say, it is how you say it. But I think you are aware of this and like the fight but who knows.

I moved to Pocatello, Idaho, (a place where guns are very popular) from St. Louis, Mo., about eight years ago.

I decided to purchase a firearm so that my 2-year-old son can learn to treat firearms with respect and know that they aren’t a toy.

The older white gentleman behind the counter folded his arms when I approached and asked about purchasing a rifle. He asked what I was using it for. I told him target practice and as a learning tool to teach my son to respect firearms.

It kind of caught him by surprise and he visibly relaxed a bit. He explained that sometimes they get folks who are angry at their spouses, and he was required to make sure I wasn’t.

I am a black male in my 30s, I love wearing hoodies and am slightly overweight. There are still occasionally people who think “thug” when they see me, of course.

But since purchasing the gun, I’ve experienced a sense of camaraderie with a lot of conservatives who are deep in gun culture.

— Andrew Casey, 32, Pocatello, Idaho. Gun owner for two years.

At times, I’ve felt out of place when I’m one of the few people of color at shooting events or gun shows, but I’ve also been heartened to see other Americans of African descent and people of color there.

People have been welcoming and willing to share information. But sometimes I get questions.

“Why do you need a gun?” “You’re ready to vote for Trump now, aren’t you?”

The Second Amendment is for everyone. I am the “good guy with a gun.” I’m just like you.

— L. Kenton Dunn, 40, Charlotte, N.C. Gun owner for two years.

I am black and transgender. Being black (or any minority) and a gun owner can be described thus: On one hand, you’re told that you’re oppressed and that the country does not look after your interests. On the other, it’s said that if you decide to defend yourself, it will backfire.

I tend to not discuss guns with fellow liberals anymore. They have shown they lack the capacity to discuss the issue with integrity, maturity and nuance.

— Naomi Daniels, 33, Houston. Gun owner for two years.

Despite being a lawyer, I am routinely mistaken for a criminal.

Police officers who I have revealed my gun to have displayed great trepidation despite my handing them my concealed-carry permit along with my driver’s license.

Law-abiding black people are just as motivated to defend themselves, their families and their homes as any other racial group. The right to bear arms has played a vital role in the lives of blacks for generations, and it will continue to do so.

— Damon D. Colbert, 42, Alexandria, Va. Gun owner for 18 years.

A man broke into our house when I was a child, and my father, a sheriff’s deputy, chased him out with his firearm. My father then sat outside in his car all night to protect us.

Later, the police were looking for a black man who did not resemble my father in any way. The officer saw my father sitting in his car by our house and figured he had his man.

My father ended up with a concealed weapons charge. and he could no longer get a job in his field.

Despite this, my father instilled the importance of the Second Amendment. It may cause issues for black men, but at least we have the right to protect ourselves from America.

— Darian Jabari Flowers, 28, Fresno, Calif. Gun owner for 10 years.

On December 14 2018 02:00 Danglars wrote:
The NYT recently ran a story about armed blacks called "I am the 'Good Guy With a Gun' ": Black Gun Owners Reject Stereotypes, Demand Respect. It quotes interviews word for word. I bring the call for greater understanding for gun owners seeking to defend themselves and their families against those who would say their self defense rights must yield to statistical efficiency and larger impact on society. The article is rather long, but the rest of the stories are worthwhile to read as well.






NYT

I bring the call for greater understanding for gun owners seeking to defend themselves and their families against those who would say their self defense rights must yield to statistical efficiency and larger impact on society.

On December 14 2018 02:30 GreenHorizons wrote:


What are you trying to say this:



has to do with the article you posted with it?

On December 14 2018 03:33 Aveng3r wrote:

It is meant to show the rationale for why one might want to own a gun, and why they might potentially disagree with the idea of surrendering them to societal pressures

Danglers let me know if I have this wrong

On December 19 2018 04:29 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/StephenGutowski/status/1075078560036065280

Bump-fire stocks are now reclassified as machine guns under the NFA. It's an extremely ham-fisted way to execute a bump-fire stock ban; just read the links and twitter thread above. They're now banned. The issue still needs Congressional legislation to work out the problems with the DoJ rule.

On December 19 2018 05:46 Yurie wrote:


What is the difference compared to the many previous bans in states and smaller areas?

On December 19 2018 09:36 JimmiC wrote:
I don't know how I feel about it. Getting rid of bump stocks is obviously good IMO but if it is just going to be challenged in the courts and defeated anyway what is the point.

I'm not sure why they just don't look at what has been successful in other countries and do that instead of these end arounds.

On December 19 2018 09:40 Excludos wrote:


That's what everyone else is scratching their heads about too while a minority of Americans screams "Freedom!" and "Second amendment!".

On December 19 2018 15:33 GreenHorizons wrote:


Granted the "but muh freedums" crowd carries the bulk of the responsibility for inaction, it's not like Democrats fixed it when they had all three branches or that them writing bad laws isn't part of the problem.

On December 19 2018 20:37 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Democrats didn’t address the problem because they didn’t have a majority to do so, and they didn’t have a majority to do so because some of their congressmen did not want to anger the nutcases at the NRA and lose their sits. No one wants to frontally oppose the nra, which is one of the most combative, well organized, politicized and militant lobby of its kind. And on the left people like Sanders apparently believe it’s fine to compromise on guns not to lose the demographics to whom they give a hard-on.

Glad to see you found another thread to say it’s all because of the Dems though