EPTThere are many good things about Islam, but the US media tends to overlook it in favor for the more controversial aspects because it appeals more to viewers. In this particular instance, it is the sad case of religious leaders corrupting the religion to impose control.
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
There are many good things about Islam, but the US media tends to overlook it in favor for the more controversial aspects because it appeals more to viewers. In this particular instance, it is the sad case of religious leaders corrupting the religion to impose control. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 10 2012 02:29 v3chr0 wrote: Sad thing is, this probably happens to so many people around the world in countless situations, and only the ones who get notoriety for their actions have a chance for intervention. I think someone should help him out, you shouldn't be condemned for questioning things, that's actually the greatest thing you can ever do is question - and thats probably why they don't tolerate it; people thinking outside of their bonds? Slay him! it's archaic and maybe even stupid to let cultures and religions dictate the direction of a society. Most of these people are so brain washed to hate Western(ers) (influence) it causes a lot of unneccisary hate when we're just trying to help these people. Everyone complains nobody does anything, then when people do, particularly the U.S, all the outrage is just the same, but from a different group of people. You can't win politically, for some reason people think letting people live under these conditions is Ok, everyone should be free to make such remarks, and question things among most else. The matter of how seem to be an issue I guess. Do the right thing, you cannot ignore a situation because the people doing it believe it's right, fuck them, what if it was your Life, or a family members, its nonsensical. I agree that people unfairly and too often criticise the United States for it's actions but a lot of American foreign policy, like most other countries isn't directed by lofty ideals or a desire to democratise other nations. So when politicians start trying to cite those as reasons people are naturally unimpressed and condemn the bullshit, if nothing else. | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
On February 10 2012 01:03 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Is there a non retarded version of a religion based legal system? To expand, I think the American justice system sucks too and needs a major overhaul in how its carried out. The resistance of many aspects of Islamic culture and its awesome legal system to change is disheartening. But we have to remember that amongst cultures and systems, it's actually very, very young. Many improvements can happen. Maybe not soon, but eventually. Also note that this is an example of the most extreme parts of their culture. It wouldn't get such heat otherwise. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On February 10 2012 02:55 Chunhyang wrote: Also note that this is an example of the most extreme parts of their culture. It wouldn't get such heat otherwise. I'm not sure about that. Saudi Arabian religious law has been condemned the world over for many years, most notoriously their failures for women's rights (can't drive, vote, leave the home without a man, strict dress code, etc). | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
That having been said, the religion in this case (Islam) isn't inherently evil by any means. It is simply the application of Islam to law by the ruling class that is causing the potential murder of this freethinking citizen. This isn't a Muslim issue, this is a theocracy issue in general. Christianity had this same problem for a thousand years. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
At some point you just have to stop using silly books from hundreds of years ago as the basis of moral and legal vantage points. Le_sigh | ||
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Eiaco
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On February 10 2012 03:02 forgottendreams wrote: I wish I would've been born in the far distant future when the concepts of religion on a global level will be nearly extinct, I don't even hate religion nor love it but hearing about it everyday just wears me out. At some point you just have to stop using silly books from hundreds of years ago as the basis of moral and legal vantage points. Le_sigh I hear you. Thankfully, religion is dying from the First World at a very pleasing- and exponentially increasing- rate. In another generation, there'll be very few people who identify themselves as "strongly religious" in America. One reason for this is the vast capability for dissemination of information via the internet. As knowledge of Scientific Method grows, more and more people are realizing that what their parents taught them really are just fairly tales from silly ancient books. I too wish I'd been born 50 or 100 years from now. @Eico- this is historically incorrect. The region was the cultural center of the world for a very, very long time. Baghdad was once the most advanced city, hundreds of years before its time. While yes, lately they haven't done anything productive except *happen to have been born on top of oil*, to say that the nation is "pathetic" and "has never done anything" is grossly inaccurate. Although calling it "inhumane" is pretty spot-on at the moment, even from an objective standpoint. | ||
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
When you're in Saudi Arabia and you know that the law is unforgiving if you question their religion, don't do it. I might be sounding like a dick here, but he had this coming. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On February 10 2012 03:07 Crownlol wrote: I hear you. Thankfully, religion is dying from the First World at a very pleasing- and exponentially increasing- rate. In another generation, there'll be very few people who identify themselves as "strongly religious" in America. One reason for this is the vast capability for dissemination of information via the internet. As knowledge of Scientific Method grows, more and more people are realizing that what their parents taught them really are just fairly tales from silly ancient books. I too wish I'd been born 50 or 100 years from now. It is true nearly every "major" religion is declining except Islam, but some demographers predict that even Islam too will begin to decline in a matter of decades. To think Adam Smith and Edward Gibbon were outcasted from the academic elite for a time for not using "divine jurisprudence" in their concepts of economics and history not even that long ago. As you said though it seems only time will cure it. | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8270 Posts
On February 10 2012 03:10 Tatari wrote: When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When you're in Saudi Arabia and you know that the law is unforgiving if you question their religion, don't do it. I might be sounding like a dick here, but he had this coming. the "when in rome" refers to outsiders needing to respect the culture they visit. This man was born in saudi arabia. Thats a different thing altogheter. I would not travel to saudi arabia and shit on their culture. But I can, and will, gladly shit on my own. This whole thing is inhumane at best. | ||
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midftw
Canada170 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
It is true nearly every "major" religion is declining except Islam, but some demographers predict that even Islam too will begin to decline in a matter of decades. To think Adam Smith and Edward Gibbon were outcasted from the academic elite for a time for not using "divine jurisprudence" in their concepts of economics and history not even that long ago. As you said though it seems only time will cure it. The last vestiges of religion will, as always, lie in the poor and uneducated. As education becomes easier to achieve, thus spreading wealth (a combination of money, health, and education) to peoples with previous access to very little, we'll see religion die. | ||
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LittleAtari
Jordan1090 Posts
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
They aren't as civilized as i thought. | ||
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
while it is really harsh and stupid, the rules are pretty clear. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
Saudi-Arabia and extreme muslims are stupid, so are many other religious groups. Of course this is wrong, but what are YOU going to do about it? | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On February 10 2012 03:27 LittleAtari wrote: Quite a few Muslims have issues with celebrating the birthday of Prophet Muhammad. Popular Muslim belief is that the prophet was human, so for this guy to persecuted for denouncing divinity in the prophet is pretty sad. It's just a bunch of idiots getting out of hand. It pisses me off so much too. Every recorded event with Muhammad has him simply claiming to be Allah's messanger, not his son/embodiment/etc. | ||
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