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On February 10 2012 02:41 ddrddrddrddr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 02:29 v3chr0 wrote:
Sad thing is, this probably happens to so many people around the world in countless situations, and only the ones who get notoriety for their actions have a chance for intervention. I think someone should help him out, you shouldn't be condemned for questioning things, that's actually the greatest thing you can ever do is question - and thats probably why they don't tolerate it; people thinking outside of their bonds? Slay him! it's archaic and maybe even stupid to let cultures and religions dictate the direction of a society. Most of these people are so brain washed to hate Western(ers) (influence) it causes a lot of unneccisary hate when we're just trying to help these people.
Everyone complains nobody does anything, then when people do, particularly the U.S, all the outrage is just the same, but from a different group of people. You can't win politically, for some reason people think letting people live under these conditions is Ok, everyone should be free to make such remarks, and question things among most else. The matter of how seem to be an issue I guess. Do the right thing, you cannot ignore a situation because the people doing it believe it's right, fuck them, what if it was your Life, or a family members, its nonsensical. US outrage is seen as hypocrisy because lots of things people get outraged about are things that the country has problems with. Having people live under these conditions is not okay, but there is no good way of solving it. When America shows that it is worthy of its holier-than-thou attitude, it may gain the right to call other countries out on their imperfections because it is already above it. Until then, attempts at "helping" other countries are nothing but selfish actions buried under demagogical excuses.
To compare any injustice within the USA in this day and age vs executing someone for speaking out about a religion, is insanity. US citizens are entitled to their damn opinions to condemn this because we give ourselves that right.
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ppl need to stop being stupid with these tweets they make
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On February 10 2012 08:40 llKenZyll wrote:
Haven't we all learned that the middle east is a fucked up place? Even locals that live there would agree with me. It's not safe, it's not normal and its certainly not civilized.
Guess what, I'm a local, and I feel more safe here then in the US or Europe. Can people for once stop patronizing the middle east. You look at us like a bunch of kids. A bunch of stupid people with no self control, as well as religious fanatics that mention "allah" every other sentence. It is very unfortunate that at least 60% of the people are truly so, but that leaves a good 40% of people who are the exact opposite. People who think, and do stuff and believe in moralistic view.
Just because a great deal of americans are red knecks doesn't mean any american I meet I'm going to classify as a red kneck. Saudi Arabia might be a backward country, but Saudi Arabia is not the middle east. Saudi arabia is not arabs, and Saudi arabia is not islam. I don't get how any of you can talk about this subject when none of you has even been here ( Or so I'm assuming). This is more complex than I can care to write. That guy did something fully knowing he could be killed by doing it. People have been killed for less in Saudi Arabia. Trust me. And people who have done worse have gotten away clean. When you go pick a fight you know you're gonna lose, I don't think you should expect sympathy from others. Dont' go picking that fight. I'm not defending the Saudis, but that guy ain't clever as well...
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On February 10 2012 09:04 DanCaek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 08:40 llKenZyll wrote:
Haven't we all learned that the middle east is a fucked up place? Even locals that live there would agree with me. It's not safe, it's not normal and its certainly not civilized. Guess what, I'm a local, and I feel more safe here then in the US or Europe. Can people for once stop patronizing the middle east. You look at us like a bunch of kids. A bunch of stupid people with no self control, as well as religious fanatics that mention "allah" every other sentence. It is very unfortunate that at least 60% of the people are truly so, but that leaves a good 40% of people who are the exact opposite. People who think, and do stuff and believe in moralistic view. Just because a great deal of americans are red knecks doesn't mean any american I meet I'm going to classify as a red kneck. Saudi Arabia might be a backward country, but Saudi Arabia is not the middle east. Saudi arabia is not arabs, and Saudi arabia is not islam. I don't get how any of you can talk about this subject when none of you has even been here ( Or so I'm assuming). This is more complex than I can care to write. That guy did something fully knowing he could be killed by doing it. People have been killed for less in Saudi Arabia. Trust me. And people who have done worse have gotten away clean. When you go pick a fight you know you're gonna lose, I don't think you should expect sympathy from others. Dont' go picking that fight. I'm not defending the Saudis, but that guy ain't clever as well...
I think the point is that it shouldn't be a fight you're going to lose - he didn't even denounce his religion, he just questioned it? And even barely at that. Saudi Arabia may not represent all of muslims/arabs/islam but it is very good example of a backward religious system.
I guess people in the west value freedom of speech?
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I have to say those tweets are quite eloquent. Is that a well-known formulation perhaps?
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On February 10 2012 01:34 Atheist wrote:
Whatever you do, never mess with God or his people/saints/messengers.
When will humanity outgrow this myth.
Amen to that bro (oh, the irony....)
Never insult someone else's imaginary friend, especially if it can get you killed.
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There is a fine line between practicing your religion and being an extremist. Extremism is usually practiced in a flawed manner anyways, and with an entire government backing these practices, you get a lot of really scary "mob thought" scenarios such as the one portrayed in the thread that was made here not too long ago featuring a female being stoned.
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On February 10 2012 00:45 sermokala wrote:
People don't understand how fundementaly backward the middle east is and why america thinks that we need to invade for their oil.
this is pretty much why. You can't expect them to be your friends while you shit on their culture and you can't shit on their culture without condemning thousands to death for one reason or another.
the reason why iran hate us so much is that we granted a guy that they hate a lot asylum in our country and saved his life. don't give a shit reason like its the right thing to do when you're talking about international politics.
iranians hate you guys for lots of crimes you comited
for example for the The 1953 Iranian coup d'état
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état
but not for that what you mentioned
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This mofo has the right idea about religion.
Too bad he's a dumbass for doing this in a third world country, about the religion Islam, and not thinking about the consequences.
Sometimes you just got to keep your mouth the f shut.
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On February 10 2012 10:36 ZiegFeld wrote:
This mofo has the right idea about religion.
Too bad he's a dumbass for doing this in a third world country, about the religion Islam, and not thinking about the consequences.
Sometimes you just got to keep your mouth the f shut.
It takes martyrs to begin new religious institutions and it always takes martyrs to get people out once the instition becomes a degenerate and hulking embarassment. So props to the guy....
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On February 10 2012 10:52 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 10:36 ZiegFeld wrote:
This mofo has the right idea about religion.
Too bad he's a dumbass for doing this in a third world country, about the religion Islam, and not thinking about the consequences.
Sometimes you just got to keep your mouth the f shut.
It takes martyrs to begin new religious institutions and it always takes martyrs to get people out once the instition becomes a degenerate and hulking embarassment. So props to the guy.... There's nothing wrong with Islam, or any religion for that matter.
It's the idiots that take things too literally and decide to kill people and blow stuff up, which gives the whole religion a bad name.
Islam just seems to have a worse case of idiotic followers in comparison to other religions, most likely due to it's demographics. (i.e uneducated people in third world countries)
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Wow that's pretty intense, glad I can voice.
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Saudi should be ashamed and I hope USA will come democratize the place with armed force like they did in Iraq and Lybia where the human rights weren't even as bad. Oh wait... they are selling their oil on a dollar basis and don't want to switch like the other country mentioned ?
Mehhh, liberty isn't that important you know...
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On February 10 2012 09:04 DanCaek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 08:40 llKenZyll wrote:
Haven't we all learned that the middle east is a fucked up place? Even locals that live there would agree with me. It's not safe, it's not normal and its certainly not civilized. Guess what, I'm a local, and I feel more safe here then in the US or Europe. Can people for once stop patronizing the middle east. You look at us like a bunch of kids. A bunch of stupid people with no self control, as well as religious fanatics that mention "allah" every other sentence. It is very unfortunate that at least 60% of the people are truly so, but that leaves a good 40% of people who are the exact opposite. People who think, and do stuff and believe in moralistic view. Just because a great deal of americans are red knecks doesn't mean any american I meet I'm going to classify as a red kneck. Saudi Arabia might be a backward country, but Saudi Arabia is not the middle east. Saudi arabia is not arabs, and Saudi arabia is not islam. I don't get how any of you can talk about this subject when none of you has even been here ( Or so I'm assuming). This is more complex than I can care to write. That guy did something fully knowing he could be killed by doing it. People have been killed for less in Saudi Arabia. Trust me. And people who have done worse have gotten away clean. When you go pick a fight you know you're gonna lose, I don't think you should expect sympathy from others. Dont' go picking that fight. I'm not defending the Saudis, but that guy ain't clever as well...
Admittedly I don't know all that much about the middle east, but you yourself just said that the majority of the population is composed of religious fanatics with no self control. I don't see how that can be considered safe or civilized, at least when compared to places in Europe and the USA.
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On February 10 2012 09:04 DanCaek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 08:40 llKenZyll wrote:
Haven't we all learned that the middle east is a fucked up place? Even locals that live there would agree with me. It's not safe, it's not normal and its certainly not civilized. Guess what, I'm a local, and I feel more safe here then in the US or Europe. Can people for once stop patronizing the middle east. You look at us like a bunch of kids. A bunch of stupid people with no self control, as well as religious fanatics that mention "allah" every other sentence. It is very unfortunate that at least 60% of the people are truly so, but that leaves a good 40% of people who are the exact opposite. People who think, and do stuff and believe in moralistic view. Just because a great deal of americans are red knecks doesn't mean any american I meet I'm going to classify as a red kneck. Saudi Arabia might be a backward country, but Saudi Arabia is not the middle east. Saudi arabia is not arabs, and Saudi arabia is not islam. I don't get how any of you can talk about this subject when none of you has even been here ( Or so I'm assuming). This is more complex than I can care to write. That guy did something fully knowing he could be killed by doing it. People have been killed for less in Saudi Arabia. Trust me. And people who have done worse have gotten away clean. When you go pick a fight you know you're gonna lose, I don't think you should expect sympathy from others. Dont' go picking that fight. I'm not defending the Saudis, but that guy ain't clever as well...
Your logic falters a bit here. In fact, not only should he be picking the fight, but many others should as well, so that it is not lost. Just like it happened in Egypt - the masses stood up to the dictator (I'm not saying that this has been any full-blown success yet). If he did this on purpose, of course we should have sympathy with the hero who's trying to stand up for honesty and a more straight-forward relation to your religion.
The fact that consequences are likely to be dire means that you might not dare to do it yourself, but you certainly cannot hold it against anyone that they do.
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This is truly depressing, like many others have expressed though, it is not uncommon for Saudi Arabia. Its possible that he was trying to make a point with his tweets but never expected such a storm, as I personally doubt that he thought those tweets would not be at all attention grabbing. The legal system there has gotten much attention, but while I feel, and many will agree: something SHOULD be done, no one really knows what can be done.
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On February 10 2012 11:00 ZiegFeld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 10:52 forgottendreams wrote:On February 10 2012 10:36 ZiegFeld wrote:
This mofo has the right idea about religion.
Too bad he's a dumbass for doing this in a third world country, about the religion Islam, and not thinking about the consequences.
Sometimes you just got to keep your mouth the f shut.
It takes martyrs to begin new religious institutions and it always takes martyrs to get people out once the instition becomes a degenerate and hulking embarassment. So props to the guy.... There's nothing wrong with Islam, or any religion for that matter. It's the idiots that take things too literally and decide to kill people and blow stuff up, which gives the whole religion a bad name. Islam just seems to have a worse case of idiotic followers in comparison to other religions, most likely due to it's demographics. (i.e uneducated people in third world countries)
Islam will get alot of heat in the future because of the rapid growth of it globally, you're not going to be able to get around it even if we all know the majority of Islam followers are fine people.
Admittedly (as obvious in earlier posts of mine in thread) I despise all religions equally. In this day and age all that money, gas and time spent on doing religious crap is simply inefficient and a waste of time. Our country the USA is still hanging on to its Christian majority but seems to be rapidly slowing in growth.
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On February 10 2012 11:01 Diks wrote:
Saudi should be ashamed and I hope USA will come democratize the place with armed force like they did in Iraq and Lybia where the human rights weren't even as bad. Oh wait... they are selling their oil on a dollar basis and don't want to switch like the other country mentioned ?
Mehhh, liberty isn't that important you know...
Big Business trumps all =S.
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Damn, that's a really heavy price to pay for voicing your opinion.
I have to ask out of curiosity, was he well aware of the possible consequences of his action, or was he surprised at how quickly his nation turned on him?
Its pretty fascinating to think that there is actually an entire country that is that zealous in their religious practice. Usually religious fanaticism is propagated from the top down as a controlling tool, but if tens of thousands of Saudi netizens are calling for his death.... just kind of mind blowing for me i suppose.
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