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On February 10 2012 04:11 Cifer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:05 Inori wrote:
It's like part of earth is stuck in 1500s. 1500s? more like 1950s, doesn't this hold any resemblance to Mccarthysim witch hunts in the states at that time? actually in a way those were worse, because people were prosecuted without evidence! Face it, stupidity and prejudice will always be part of out creed. And to think that a single society have a monopoly over it is just ignorant!
You do realise women had more rights in the 1950s than what they have now in Saudi right?
Stuff like http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/torture-tape-acquittal-abu-dhabi is not 1950s USA is all I can say.
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The real question is not how wrong that is, but how much cynical we are to be allied to such regime just because we get benefits out of it.
European and America are ready to compromise with any kind of tyranny as soon as it serves our interests. It would be fine if we didn't claim all day long that we have values and that we care about "human rights". And if we didn't bomb and invade country in the name of those values we are ready to shit on at the first occasion.
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middle east muslims living by laws comparable to the middle ages. seems legit
i'm so glad i live in a secular country
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On February 10 2012 07:29 fortheGG wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:11 Cifer wrote:On February 10 2012 04:05 Inori wrote:
It's like part of earth is stuck in 1500s. 1500s? more like 1950s, doesn't this hold any resemblance to Mccarthysim witch hunts in the states at that time? actually in a way those were worse, because people were prosecuted without evidence! Face it, stupidity and prejudice will always be part of out creed. And to think that a single society have a monopoly over it is just ignorant! You do realise women had more rights in the 1950s than what they have now in Saudi right? Stuff like http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/torture-tape-acquittal-abu-dhabi is not 1950s USA is all I can say.
To clarify, Women in Saudi Arabia Cannot make a single decision about their life without a male "guardian", this includes, what they eat, education, if they want to travel, if they want to work and so on. All women are essentially considered a minor where a an adult male has to make all the decisions for her.
Further the law that protects men doesn't work the same way for women, some laws don't protect them at all and the court has a open discrimination where a testimonial from two women is equal to one man. On September 2011 the country announced that the women were allowed to vote, however of course the women vote are less worth than the man and the women needs it's guardian permission to actually go and vote.
so as you can see, the country is fucked up in more than one way.
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Tell em to come here and claim asylum. He's welcome to tweet about anything he wants in America*
Except the desecration of a corpse and or destruction of America.
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Sad. I do wish there was more freedom of speech in the Middle East, but I also wish people would make more intelligent choices. He obviously shouldn't have publicly questioned Islam while living in a country that would kill him for doing so. If these beliefs were so important to him to express, it seems to me the natural course of action is to leave the country first, before you choose to enrage the people with guns.
Not saying what he did was wrong, just... a little dumb. Still, if he's happy to martyr himself for the right to question religion then more power to him.
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On February 10 2012 08:23 Probe1 wrote:
Tell em to come here and claim asylum. He's welcome to tweet about anything he wants in America*
Except the desecration of a corpse and or destruction of America.
You can tweet about the first one all you want and no one will try to kill you. You just can't go around doing it because it's illegal...
The second thing though is definitely a terrible idea. Espeically if you're from Saudi Arabia.
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Link to a petition for his amnesty: LINK
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What a sensationalist thread. wtf TL. They are not killing him, there is a populist outcry in favor of killing him. Now aren't we glad Saudi Arabia isn't a democracy?
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On February 10 2012 08:21 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:29 fortheGG wrote:On February 10 2012 04:11 Cifer wrote:On February 10 2012 04:05 Inori wrote:
It's like part of earth is stuck in 1500s. 1500s? more like 1950s, doesn't this hold any resemblance to Mccarthysim witch hunts in the states at that time? actually in a way those were worse, because people were prosecuted without evidence! Face it, stupidity and prejudice will always be part of out creed. And to think that a single society have a monopoly over it is just ignorant! You do realise women had more rights in the 1950s than what they have now in Saudi right? Stuff like http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/torture-tape-acquittal-abu-dhabi is not 1950s USA is all I can say. To clarify, Women in Saudi Arabia Cannot make a single decision about their life without a male "guardian", this includes, what they eat, education, if they want to travel, if they want to work and so on. All women are essentially considered a minor where a an adult male has to make all the decisions for her. Further the law that protects men doesn't work the same way for women, some laws don't protect them at all and the court has a open discrimination where a testimonial from two women is equal to one man. On September 2011 the country announced that the women were allowed to vote, however of course the women vote are less worth than the man and the women needs it's guardian permission to actually go and vote. so as you can see, the country is fucked up in more than one way.
Not to mention how little Saudi elections matter. Ultimately a king is still in charge and can override anything he doesn't like.
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On February 10 2012 08:33 Half wrote:
What a sensationalist thread. wtf TL. They are not killing him, there is a populist outcry in favor of killing him. Now aren't we glad Saudi Arabia isn't a democracy?
He commited a death penalty offense though. Maybe the government isn't going to prosecute/kill him (although quite a few Saudis want that to happen), but they legally could.
If this wasn't being reported on mainstream outlets worldwide this guy would be fucked.
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Evidence that religion is dangerous, or that twitter is the most retarded invention? I think we all know.
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Yeah...?
That's exactly what I said.
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I think its tragic if this guy dies for this. But, it is not our duty to change the Middle East. They will... eventually.. change. The backwards extremists that are the majority in the Middle East will one day realize how insane they are. Sorry, I do not mean to offend anyone. But I think the killing of this man is absolutely insane (although it is nothing new) and it is why I believe the world would be a better place without religion. Especially extremists who take religion to the next level, as is common in the Middle East.
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On February 10 2012 03:00 Arnstein wrote:
Religion...
Not religion, theocracy.
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Haven't we all learned that the middle east is a fucked up place? Even locals that live there would agree with me. It's not safe, it's not normal and its certainly not civilized.
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On February 10 2012 08:33 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 08:21 Integra wrote:On February 10 2012 07:29 fortheGG wrote:On February 10 2012 04:11 Cifer wrote:On February 10 2012 04:05 Inori wrote:
It's like part of earth is stuck in 1500s. 1500s? more like 1950s, doesn't this hold any resemblance to Mccarthysim witch hunts in the states at that time? actually in a way those were worse, because people were prosecuted without evidence! Face it, stupidity and prejudice will always be part of out creed. And to think that a single society have a monopoly over it is just ignorant! You do realise women had more rights in the 1950s than what they have now in Saudi right? Stuff like http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/torture-tape-acquittal-abu-dhabi is not 1950s USA is all I can say. To clarify, Women in Saudi Arabia Cannot make a single decision about their life without a male "guardian", this includes, what they eat, education, if they want to travel, if they want to work and so on. All women are essentially considered a minor where a an adult male has to make all the decisions for her. Further the law that protects men doesn't work the same way for women, some laws don't protect them at all and the court has a open discrimination where a testimonial from two women is equal to one man. On September 2011 the country announced that the women were allowed to vote, however of course the women vote are less worth than the man and the women needs it's guardian permission to actually go and vote. so as you can see, the country is fucked up in more than one way. Not to mention how little Saudi elections matter. Ultimately a king is still in charge and can override anything he doesn't like.
LOL ya, It can't even be called an election since it's still being decided by the ruler.
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On February 10 2012 08:39 Erasme wrote:Not religion, theocracy.
Ya.
Islam doesn't make people declare Jihad or suicide bomb, or mutilate women. People do.
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