EPTSaudi national faces death penalty for tweets - Page 7
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hummingbird23
Norway359 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
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On February 10 2012 11:01 Diks wrote: Saudi should be ashamed and I hope USA will come democratize the place with armed force like they did in Iraq and Lybia where the human rights weren't even as bad. Oh wait... they are selling their oil on a dollar basis and don't want to switch like the other country mentioned ? Mehhh, liberty isn't that important you know... Libya now has an Islamic fundamentalism and Iraq is authoritarian. Not very democratic at all haha, not to mention democratizing or altruism was not at all the goal for these wars, and it hasn't been the case for any country in history, either. It's called a justification. You can't tell people about expanding imperialist and strategic interests or you won't be able to sell a war. Read history, and no nation has ever done that. But then you contradicted yourself with the second part of your comment, where you note how Saudi is a loyal pawn of ours so they don't get invaded or anything despite enforcing one of the most atrocious societies in the world, so I don't know what you're getting at. :S Anyways, AFAIK in both countries, women and minorities had significant social rights, even comparable to many developed countries, before change of regimes, not to mention Iraq was one of the greatest opponents to Islamic fanaticism before it got fucked up the past 20 years, so if you're implying they were invaded because people had to follow Sharia, that surely was not the case at all because there wasn't Sharia (Libya has it now though). Speaking of switching trade currency, the Iraqis did that in 2000/2001, and other Arab countries were very strongly considering it. If anything, the Iraq War succeeded in stopped that from happening (as we know, Iraq trades on the dollar and no one else near them except Iran has the slightest thought anymore of switching to the euro or something), or else it would have been catastrophic for the petrodollar had these countries switched to trading on the Euro. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On February 10 2012 12:01 stokes17 wrote: Damn, that's a really heavy price to pay for voicing your opinion. I have to ask out of curiosity, was he well aware of the possible consequences of his action, or was he surprised at how quickly his nation turned on him? Its pretty fascinating to think that there is actually an entire country that is that zealous in their religious practice. Usually religious fanaticism is propagated from the top down as a controlling tool, but if tens of thousands of Saudi netizens are calling for his death.... just kind of mind blowing for me i suppose. Yes because the rot sinks in after a while, even if it is top down you know, repeat a lie long enough and it becomes the truth. That has what has happened to Saudi and lets be honest the hypocrisy of calling it out after your own Govt is in bed with them should be appalling to people who value "freedom of speech". Yea any chance most of these countries had to avoid narrow minded and perverse theocracies was pretty much taken away with foreign intervention and the big boys striking deals to protect there own interests. Everytime these countries have had a chance to move forward in the last few decades the reset button has been hit. Why do they make deals with these people? Because they are easier to deal with. They are either against you or with you. Strong democracies or rather strong Govts are harder to deal with because they can tell you to fuck off when things dont serve their interests, without giving you an excuse to call them an enemy or a threat. Saudi fundamentalism gets exported to poor countries, even today. I know its fucked mine up over the course of the last 30 years. People were rocking bell-bottoms and discoing like anywhere else in the 70's before that. Cant do that anymore, atleast not publicly  And these are just the Saudis in control mind you, theres good educated people there around there. Its just that life is relatively easy there because they have so much money that not enough people if anyone really is willing to give what they have up. But now its to a stage where alot of these places will need a fundamental overhaul that will only come in future generations and only if they choose to do it. Ill leave you with this, she can articulate myself better than I can and well shes American | ||
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framtidenskrig
Sweden92 Posts
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