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On April 06 2012 03:11 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 18:29 ain wrote:On April 02 2012 13:25 Manit0u wrote:
DoW1 was also about capping points and what most players did was battling over them most of the time. What's different in DoW2? The only thing that comes to my mind would be early base rushes, but that's such a small part of it that it's negligible.
Tells me you haven't really played the first game. Actually, I did play both of them quite extensively for some time. DoW1 seems really shallow and boring to me after DoW2. I agree that DoW2 was pretty much shit in the beginning, with all the insane bugs and imbalances. Relic managed to patch it up quite nicely though, bringing better balance and getting rid of most bugs (what's left now is a couple of minor graphical glitches for the most part).
That's your opinion and I respect that.
Rushing was pretty much non-existant later on since you could tech so quickly. The exception of course being eldar turret rushes/raptor harass play and the like. Removing the tech > eco > rush > tech balance was one of the bigger mistakes Relic JOHNNY EBBERT committed in my opinion.
When I refer to DoWs gameplay I always mean the vanilla version since in the later expansions the game was an incoherent clusterfuck.
I could deal with the bugs and imbalance (I played Ravener Tyranids since beta  ). What really killed it for me was the gameplay which consisted of way too much capping and way too little fighting for my tastes (which in part might have been caused by bad maps with too many points to cap). Compared to that fighting for points in DoW was slower paced and the outcome bore more impact
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On April 06 2012 02:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 02:32 0mar wrote:
Dude, you can't even type intelligently, nevermind make a coherent argument. Activision released 3 of the biggest selling games since the recession began. this is what happens when we get junk science analysis ..... dude.. define "since the recession began"? "In December 2008, the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) declared that the United States had been in recession since December 2007"
i say this is about right.... in June 2008 ATVI offered a TWO FOR ONE STOCK SPLIT ... effectively doubling the value of the stock i held. i now held twice as many shared in ATVI after this offer. therefore, with the 2 for one stock split in mind... ATVI has basically gone up 100% since the recession began as well.. tehre are shares you can buy that offer a dividend... ATVI is just absolutely fucking amazing "since the recession began" In November 2007 the stock was at ~$9.75 then teh 2 for 1 stock split occurred. today ATVI is at ...$12.66 making your initial $9.50 investment now worth $25.12ATVI stock holders who've held on since "the start of the recession" are jumping for fucking joy. if the thread continues to get derailed with this pseudo stock analysis crap.. we should make another thread out of it.
None of the major publishers split their stock.
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On April 06 2012 04:35 0mar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 02:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2012 02:32 0mar wrote:
Dude, you can't even type intelligently, nevermind make a coherent argument. Activision released 3 of the biggest selling games since the recession began. this is what happens when we get junk science analysis ..... dude.. define "since the recession began"? "In December 2008, the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) declared that the United States had been in recession since December 2007"
i say this is about right.... in June 2008 ATVI offered a TWO FOR ONE STOCK SPLIT ... effectively doubling the value of the stock i held. i now held twice as many shared in ATVI after this offer. therefore, with the 2 for one stock split in mind... ATVI has basically gone up 100% since the recession began as well.. tehre are shares you can buy that offer a dividend... ATVI is just absolutely fucking amazing "since the recession began" In November 2007 the stock was at ~$9.75 then teh 2 for 1 stock split occurred. today ATVI is at ...$12.66 making your initial $9.50 investment now worth $25.12ATVI stock holders who've held on since "the start of the recession" are jumping for fucking joy. if the thread continues to get derailed with this pseudo stock analysis crap.. we should make another thread out of it. None of the major publishers split their stock.
This excerpt taken from the ATVI 10-Q filed Nov 10, 2008.
In July 2008, the Board of Directors approved a two-for-one split of our outstanding common shares effected in the form of a stock dividend
umm yes they did, and you could have just googled instead of denial posting.
while it is sad that THQ is plummeting it is still only one company, it may be part if a larger trend, and it probably is. I don't believe in your apocalypse scenario where triple A studios start dropping like flies. They will simply adapt.
Doesn't mora work at Relic?
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On April 06 2012 04:35 0mar wrote:
None of the major publishers split their stock.
September 5th , 2008 a stock split occurred for ATVI.
it was announced in June , 2008
The " trust currency" THQ holds is in keeping its Licensees happy.
1 big one, Adidas is suing them. More importantly, there appears to be a breach of trust because THQ is unable to show ADIDAS any working software for all the money ADIDAS has given them so far.
1 more major licensee starts to grow unhappy with THQ and this house of cards will fall to the ground.
If Vince or Dana sense that THQ no longer has the money to continue to develop a AAA style title for their franchises and its over.
At this point THQ is hanging by a thread.
Just because THQ is going down does not mean EA, ATVI, or any other big name publisher is in trouble.
THQ is sorely mismanaged and that is the primary reason for its downfall.
The way it is looking now.. it appears THQ used the money Adidas gave them to just stay a float a little while longer. THQ has not developed a DAMN THING for Adidas while taking their money.
Once this becomes full reality it will be the killing blow for THQ.
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On the other hand, this could also prove beneficial. If Adidas would have some brains they could just tell THQ that they're going to keep them afloat under the condition that THQ is going to drop all of their projects not related to Adidas (or start one if they haven't). If it's going to be a success then they can resume other things and stay afloat, if it goes bad they go bye bye.
A form of ultimatum, but they can well enforce it if they're holding them by the financial balls.
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won't work.
if THQ halts work on their UFC and WWE franchises then Dana and Vince end their relationship and THQ is done.
THQ has all kinds of WWE titles on a plethora of platforms producing income they are relying on.
with all the negative stuff going on around THQ... WWE and UFC management is watching them very carefully.
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On April 06 2012 02:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 02:32 0mar wrote:
Dude, you can't even type intelligently, nevermind make a coherent argument. Activision released 3 of the biggest selling games since the recession began. this is what happens when we get junk science analysis ..... dude.. define "since the recession began"? "In December 2008, the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) declared that the United States had been in recession since December 2007"
i say this is about right.... in June 2008 ATVI offered a TWO FOR ONE STOCK SPLIT ... effectively doubling the value of the stock i held. i now held twice as many shared in ATVI after this offer. The actual split occurred on September 5th , 2008 so the ATVI execs were very responsible with this announcement giving every one months of advanced warning. therefore, with the 2 for one stock split in mind... ATVI has basically gone up 100% since the recession began as well.. tehre are shares you can buy that offer a dividend... ATVI is just absolutely fucking amazing "since the recession began" In November 2007 the stock was at ~$9.75 then teh 2 for 1 stock split occurred. today ATVI is at ...$12.66 making your initial $9.50 investment now worth $25.12ATVI stock holders who've held on since "the start of the recession" are jumping for fucking joy. if the thread continues to get derailed with this pseudo stock analysis crap.. we should make another thread out of it.
That's not how stock splits work.
A share at $10 is split 2:1 resulting in two shares at $5 each. Still $10 total.
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On April 06 2012 12:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
That's not how stock splits work.
A share at $10 is split 2:1 resulting in two shares at $5 each. Still $10 total.
wrong.
the stock price fell substantitally but not by 50%
i owned the stock at the time and watched it happen.
on Sept 5 it was $16,87.
by Oct. 10 it was $11.56.
a sizeable decrease ... but still a profit situation for those holding stock
ATVI can support such a split because of their monstrous cash reserves.
i cashed out when it was around $11.75 later in 2009.
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On April 06 2012 12:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 02:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2012 02:32 0mar wrote:
Dude, you can't even type intelligently, nevermind make a coherent argument. Activision released 3 of the biggest selling games since the recession began. this is what happens when we get junk science analysis ..... dude.. define "since the recession began"? "In December 2008, the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) declared that the United States had been in recession since December 2007"
i say this is about right.... in June 2008 ATVI offered a TWO FOR ONE STOCK SPLIT ... effectively doubling the value of the stock i held. i now held twice as many shared in ATVI after this offer. The actual split occurred on September 5th , 2008 so the ATVI execs were very responsible with this announcement giving every one months of advanced warning. therefore, with the 2 for one stock split in mind... ATVI has basically gone up 100% since the recession began as well.. tehre are shares you can buy that offer a dividend... ATVI is just absolutely fucking amazing "since the recession began" In November 2007 the stock was at ~$9.75 then teh 2 for 1 stock split occurred. today ATVI is at ...$12.66 making your initial $9.50 investment now worth $25.12ATVI stock holders who've held on since "the start of the recession" are jumping for fucking joy. if the thread continues to get derailed with this pseudo stock analysis crap.. we should make another thread out of it. That's not how stock splits work. A share at $10 is split 2:1 resulting in two shares at $5 each. Still $10 total.
If you buy in at $9.50, the stock splits and is then worth $12.66 post split yeah you do have $25.12. Don't just try to jump all over people without actually reading the full context of what was said, it's a horrible way to go through life.
I really hope THQ can pull through, the problem I see with them is they always seem to put out subpar products, never anything AAA just A. Good stuff that's pretty unoriginal with aging tech, so it never sells well. They do seem like one of the better publishers overall though.
I'm not a big Relic fan though, they nickle and dime their fans pretty bad and they were the ones that ruined the RTS genre before Starcraft 2 came out. Command and Conquer went to the no base style BECAUSE of the success Relic had, not because EA is super evil. The big problem right now for RTS games is that SC2 set the bar so high that nobody can come close to it. You can't make a base building game with the polish and balance Blizzard has, let alone with the name recognition to get copies sold. The RTS games coming out aside from SC2 are either terrible, or don't have base building which as SC2 has proven is a really important part of the gameplay.
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On April 06 2012 12:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 12:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
That's not how stock splits work.
A share at $10 is split 2:1 resulting in two shares at $5 each. Still $10 total.
wrong. the stock price fell substantitally but not by 50% i owned the stock at the time and watched it happen. on Sept 5 it was $16,87. by Oct. 10 it was $11.56. a sizeable decrease ... but still a profit situation for those holding stock ATVI can support such a split because of their monstrous cash reserves. i cashed out when it was around $11.75 later in 2009.
Stock splits do not affect a company's cash in any way shape or form. It is just a change in the share price and the number of shares outstanding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_split
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CnC went to no base because they wanted to try new things because they can't make a serious RTS. They just made crappy recycles and then they tried to cash in on social games and then they went back to just doing crappy recycles.
Relic games have been pretty good, CoH is still probably the 2nd most entertaining RTS to watch after BW atleast for me.
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On April 06 2012 12:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Stock splits do not affect a company's cash in any way shape or form. It is just a change in the share price and the number of shares outstanding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_split
ya, that is why the stock price fell drastically in early September 2008.
because there were twice as many shares.
only outstanding common shared were impacted which is why the drop in share value was not 50%.
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On April 06 2012 12:45 Filter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 12:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On April 06 2012 02:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2012 02:32 0mar wrote:
Dude, you can't even type intelligently, nevermind make a coherent argument. Activision released 3 of the biggest selling games since the recession began. this is what happens when we get junk science analysis ..... dude.. define "since the recession began"? "In December 2008, the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) declared that the United States had been in recession since December 2007"
i say this is about right.... in June 2008 ATVI offered a TWO FOR ONE STOCK SPLIT ... effectively doubling the value of the stock i held. i now held twice as many shared in ATVI after this offer. The actual split occurred on September 5th , 2008 so the ATVI execs were very responsible with this announcement giving every one months of advanced warning. therefore, with the 2 for one stock split in mind... ATVI has basically gone up 100% since the recession began as well.. tehre are shares you can buy that offer a dividend... ATVI is just absolutely fucking amazing "since the recession began" In November 2007 the stock was at ~$9.75 then teh 2 for 1 stock split occurred. today ATVI is at ...$12.66 making your initial $9.50 investment now worth $25.12ATVI stock holders who've held on since "the start of the recession" are jumping for fucking joy. if the thread continues to get derailed with this pseudo stock analysis crap.. we should make another thread out of it. That's not how stock splits work. A share at $10 is split 2:1 resulting in two shares at $5 each. Still $10 total. If you buy in at $9.50, the stock splits and is then worth $12.66 post split yeah you do have $25.12. Don't just try to jump all over people without actually reading the full context of what was said, it's a horrible way to go through life.
Sorry, just trying to point out a factual error. If you look up the historical price at a typical site like morningstar.com they go through the trouble of calculating splits for you. So, if it says that in Sept. '07 it was $9.50 and now it is $12.66 you can easily calculate the price change without having to look up if there were splits or not. $12.66 - $9.50 = $3.16 gain per share X the number of shares you currently have.
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On April 06 2012 12:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 12:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
That's not how stock splits work.
A share at $10 is split 2:1 resulting in two shares at $5 each. Still $10 total.
wrong. the stock price fell substantitally but not by 50% i owned the stock at the time and watched it happen. on Sept 5 it was $16,87. by Oct. 10 it was $11.56. a sizeable decrease ... but still a profit situation for those holding stock ATVI can support such a split because of their monstrous cash reserves. i cashed out when it was around $11.75 later in 2009.
Looking at google finance and throwing out numbers is not going to make you look smart. As the other said stock split does not work like you think it does, market cap stays the same, no value added and none lost. You better look at your portfolio again because the return you think you have is wrong.
Sites like Google finance will display the split retroactively which means that the $16.87 on Sept 5 is the price after the split.
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it was Nov. 2007 @ $9.75
i owned common shares and was later paid a "one time" dividend on Sept. 5 2008 of more "outstanding common shares".
let's keep the math really simple.
and assume i had 10 shares.
so therefore i spent $97.50.
on Sept. 5th i now had 20 shares because i was "paid a divided" of 10 outstanding common shares.
i sold these 20 shares in early August 2009 @ $12.00 per share.
so i went from $97.50 to $240,00
now i put this into a retirement savings plan to avoid the capital gains tax.
again.. the stock fell in early Sept. 2008 because of the stock split.
but ONLY OUTSTANDING COMMON SHARES were part of this split.
as a result, the stock price DID NOT fall by EXACTLY 50%
it fell by less than 50%.
had every single form of share in ATVI been "split" then .. yes.. a 50% fall would've occurred.
but that is not what happened... and this is why the value of a share fell by less than 50%.
at that point in 2007/2008/2009 ATVI did not offer any kind of dividend to its stock holders. so this was the "big guys" way of rewarding holders of "common shares". it was a way to pay them a dividend.
i now believe ATVI does offer some kind of cash dividend. so when people are clamouring about how the value of the shares themselves are "not going up no matter how many billion dollar titles they sell" .. they need to factor in the cash dividend share holders now receive before claiming the sky is falling on ATVI.
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On April 06 2012 13:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
it was Nov. 2007 @ $9.75
i owned common shares and was later paid a "one time" dividend on Sept. 5 2008 of more "outstanding common shares".
let's keep the math really simple.
and assume i had 10 shares.
so therefore i spent $97.50.
on Sept. 5th i now had 20 shares because i was "paid a divided" of 10 outstanding common shares.
i sold these 20 shares in early August 2009 @ $12.00 per share.
so i went from $97.50 to $240,00
now i put this into a retirement savings plan to avoid the capital gains tax.
again.. the stock fell in early Sept. 2008 because of the stock split.
but ONLY OUTSTANDING COMMON SHARES were part of this split.
as a result, the stock price DID NOT fall by EXACTLY 50%
it fell by less than 50%.
had every single form of share in ATVI been "split" then .. yes.. a 50% fall would've occurred.
but that is not what happened.
at that point in 2007/2008/2009 ATVI did not offer any kind of dividend to its stock holders. so this was the "big guys" way of rewarding holders of "common shares". it was a way to pay them a dividend.
In November of '07 the lowest closing price for Activision stock was $18.81. Your $9.75 is an number that has already been adjusted for splits.
From Yahoo finance historical data unadjusted numbers:
Closing price on Friday 9/5/2008 = $33.74
Opening price on Monday 9/8/2008 = $16.49
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Also different type of stocks are listed seperatly and at different prices. So trying to link the fall in value of the common stock with the split like you're doing is nonsense.
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THQ is partnering with some giant money firm because they have run out of cash.
THQ announced it hired Centerview Parnters to "review strategic alternatives". THQ won't reveal what its future revenue projections are took no questions during the earnings call. THQ halted trading of the stock during their "investors call". But, trading resumes today.
THQ has now only $36M of cash, and $21M in debt.
They owe $100M in another debt that must be paid in August 2014.
They hired Centreview because they need money.
The stock is falling like a rock.
it looks like even giant government subsidies from Quebec won't save this ship. the CEO has been shuffling the deck chairs for over a year now and the few titles they've made are flat out not making enough profit.
Their "Market Capitalization" must go up by 30% within 30 days otherwise THQ becomes a penny stock and is removed from the NASDAQ exchange.
This is with no new titles coming out. No new anything.
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but but i preorderd COH2 
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