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On January 16 2012 14:20 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 13:58 DanceOnCreep wrote:
Maybe the next Hostel Movie should be in the U.S or America :D
Europe seems to be pretty Educated and fine ^^ Or, its just harder to get into Europe. Half these cities would drop off the list if the US could get its drug importation problem under control.
I'm sorry but this is never going to happen with current policies. The drug war will never end and thus Mexico and the U.S. will always be perpetual victims/enhancers of it.
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On January 16 2012 15:06 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 14:20 cLutZ wrote:On January 16 2012 13:58 DanceOnCreep wrote:
Maybe the next Hostel Movie should be in the U.S or America :D
Europe seems to be pretty Educated and fine ^^ Or, its just harder to get into Europe. Half these cities would drop off the list if the US could get its drug importation problem under control. I'm sorry but this is never going to happen with current policies. The drug war will never end and thus Mexico and the U.S. will always be perpetual victims/enhancers of it.
That's a shame really, south america is such a beautiful continent.
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people in the middle east probably would laugh at this list.
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I wonder if the study distinguishes between St. Louis and East St. Louis. There is a rather large difference and while I was living on the Missouri side people used to say bad stuff about the Illinois side of the river. :-P
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Wow Brazil is a pretty dangerous place. I'm kinda of surprised there aren't many Asian cities on the list. Also I was surprised to see the american cities that made the list.
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I'm from Baltimore and it is really rough there, lots of crime poverty etc.
I'm sure the Wire comes to mind for a lot of people. There is a lot of truth that series.
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I live in bmore as well. Definitely getting better, but I'm always looking over my shoulder walking at night.
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Not surprised to see 3 South African cities make the list. Personally, I think it should be:
Johannesburg > Cape Town > Durban
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On January 16 2012 15:00 Ciryandor wrote:
Really? NOT ONE Asian city? Not exactly an unbiased list if you ask me.
I feel a lot safer on the streets at night in Shanghai / Fuzhou / Beijing than I do at night at Berkeley. Obviously those are pretty modernized cities, but strict gun control and lots of people actually tends to lead to less violence I think.
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Yeah like they say, don't drink the water in mexico. That shit makes you crazy
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It would be nice if they stated which countries were not part of the study. Still, some of the numbers are pretty scary. over 3k murders in Caracas, Venezuela o.O.
I was close to going to Baltimore for half a year to do a research project, guess I'm lucky I ended up in Seattle instead  .
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On January 16 2012 16:44 R3demption wrote:
Yeah like they say, don't drink the water in mexico. That shit makes you crazy
Nah, that shit gives you horrible diarrhea. The problem with Mexico is the drug trade. In fact, almost all cities on the list have a booming drug industry.
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woow, detroit and new orleans is THAT bad? didn't know that.
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not surprised to see 4 south African cities listed. was surprised that port Elizabeth was the most violent in my country though. i thought joburg would be on top
edit / my bad. cape town on top. that makes a lot more sense.
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South America is no shock to me what so ever, extremely poor, LOTS of drugs and little policing. I am truly surprised africa is on there once! Is is because it is so chaotic that it is near impossible to get real numbers from there?
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Would you consider moving out if you lived in one of the cities from the list?
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Yeah, China is pretty safe. I don't know about south eastern Asia, maybe things get a bit rough there. But let me tell you, being from Central America, the culture is pretty rough there.
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On January 16 2012 11:55 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 11:45 mcc wrote:On January 16 2012 11:22 Shiragaku wrote:On January 16 2012 10:57 mcc wrote:On January 16 2012 10:35 hmunkey wrote:On January 16 2012 10:23 Tewks44 wrote:On January 16 2012 10:17 YouMake wrote:On January 16 2012 02:06 Sated wrote:Strong gun control = Less violent cities. UK UK UK! + Show Spoiler +Sorry, but it was hard to resist, given all the USA USA USA! stuff elsewhere on the Forums I'm an American citizen and a proud firearm owner of many different varieties, and I don't see how gun control would impact crime in America. All it does is it make it harder for the law biding citizen to attain what our constitution says you can legally own. Only .2% of all violent crimes in America are committed with legally owned firearms. It's the black market trade where the criminalizes get their weapons from. I'm a strong believer in more guns less crime. I live in NY state and I have a conceal carry permit for 2 almost 3 years now and i have yet to use it, IDK how you can say that gun control is a good thing. Just because i carry one doesn't mean i'm going to rob a store.. While gun control laws tend to reduce violent crimes, there has be be gun control from the start. Now that loose gun control laws have lead to a large amount of firearms coming into the U.S. it's a tad too late to decide to enforce gun control laws because they won't make guns magically disappear. But saying gun control laws have no impact on violent crime would be well.... wrong to put it bluntly. Really? Then how do you account for countries like Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, etc. that all have high rates of gun ownership but lower crime than other European states like the UK? Would be interesting to check that correlation using not guns in general, but handguns in particular. But yes, blaming everything on just guns is simplifying things too much. Do you think a bigger correlation is with economic hardship and war rather than legal status of guns? From what I saw, when people want to commit crimes, they always miraculously obtain the materials required to commit the crime. Considering that in Europe and other low crime-rate countries most murders seem to be done "on the fly" in affect, the person in question does not have time to search for guns if he does not have one. And when you add that and ease of more deaths when using a gun compared to knife or club it actually makes a difference. There were instances here where a guy suddenly went nuts and killed few people with privately owned gun. Without that gun he would be able to kill at most one person. Crazies like Breyvik will get the guns no matter what (without instituting some pretty totalitarian measures), but the others that I described would not get the gun. And those happen quite more often and more than offset the possible lives that could be saved by people in Norway being armed to the teeth and stopping Breyvik. As for your economic hardship correlation I do not think that actually plays a big role alone. A lot of poor countries have relatively low murder rates. But I think getting rich helps with lowering murder rates if the whole society gets richer, not just parts of the society. So maybe inequality and poverty are part of the problem, but even that seems not a complete picture. I think it is deeper societal problem that is not easy to pinpoint. EDIT:typo Oh, the US has a very, very high murder per capita rate, and they're not exactly a third-world country. They're like fighting in the top ten along South Africa and Mexico. So yeah, I think you can kind of blame guns.
Uh I guess your definition of very high is different from mine but the US is still lower than the average homicide rate world wide.
It's not just the guns especially considering the vast majority of violent crime is committed with illegally acquired firearms.... The ethnic tension, terrible war on drugs, and gangs are far more to blame.
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On January 16 2012 17:01 Balgrog wrote:
South America is no shock to me what so ever, extremely poor, LOTS of drugs and little policing. I am truly surprised africa is on there once! Is is because it is so chaotic that it is near impossible to get real numbers from there?
south Africa is on the list 4 times.
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On January 16 2012 17:08 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:01 Balgrog wrote:
South America is no shock to me what so ever, extremely poor, LOTS of drugs and little policing. I am truly surprised africa is on there once! Is is because it is so chaotic that it is near impossible to get real numbers from there? south Africa is on the list 4 times.
Didnt see PE on the list, that very surpising. I would Pretoria first before PE?
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