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On January 16 2012 10:35 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 10:23 Tewks44 wrote:On January 16 2012 10:17 YouMake wrote:On January 16 2012 02:06 Sated wrote:Strong gun control = Less violent cities. UK UK UK! + Show Spoiler +Sorry, but it was hard to resist, given all the USA USA USA! stuff elsewhere on the Forums  I'm an American citizen and a proud firearm owner of many different varieties, and I don't see how gun control would impact crime in America. All it does is it make it harder for the law biding citizen to attain what our constitution says you can legally own. Only .2% of all violent crimes in America are committed with legally owned firearms. It's the black market trade where the criminalizes get their weapons from. I'm a strong believer in more guns less crime. I live in NY state and I have a conceal carry permit for 2 almost 3 years now and i have yet to use it, IDK how you can say that gun control is a good thing. Just because i carry one doesn't mean i'm going to rob a store.. While gun control laws tend to reduce violent crimes, there has be be gun control from the start. Now that loose gun control laws have lead to a large amount of firearms coming into the U.S. it's a tad too late to decide to enforce gun control laws because they won't make guns magically disappear. But saying gun control laws have no impact on violent crime would be well.... wrong to put it bluntly. Really? Then how do you account for countries like Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, etc. that all have high rates of gun ownership but lower crime than other European states like the UK?
Would be interesting to check that correlation using not guns in general, but handguns in particular. But yes, blaming everything on just guns is simplifying things too much.
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I'd like to nominate Beijing because the air will kill you. Slowly. Unknowingly. Quietly but probably not painlessly.
But for outright violence USA definitely has China beat.
On January 16 2012 10:57 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 10:35 hmunkey wrote:On January 16 2012 10:23 Tewks44 wrote:On January 16 2012 10:17 YouMake wrote:On January 16 2012 02:06 Sated wrote:Strong gun control = Less violent cities. UK UK UK! + Show Spoiler +Sorry, but it was hard to resist, given all the USA USA USA! stuff elsewhere on the Forums I'm an American citizen and a proud firearm owner of many different varieties, and I don't see how gun control would impact crime in America. All it does is it make it harder for the law biding citizen to attain what our constitution says you can legally own. Only .2% of all violent crimes in America are committed with legally owned firearms. It's the black market trade where the criminalizes get their weapons from. I'm a strong believer in more guns less crime. I live in NY state and I have a conceal carry permit for 2 almost 3 years now and i have yet to use it, IDK how you can say that gun control is a good thing. Just because i carry one doesn't mean i'm going to rob a store.. While gun control laws tend to reduce violent crimes, there has be be gun control from the start. Now that loose gun control laws have lead to a large amount of firearms coming into the U.S. it's a tad too late to decide to enforce gun control laws because they won't make guns magically disappear. But saying gun control laws have no impact on violent crime would be well.... wrong to put it bluntly. Really? Then how do you account for countries like Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, etc. that all have high rates of gun ownership but lower crime than other European states like the UK? Would be interesting to check that correlation using not guns in general, but handguns in particular. But yes, blaming everything on just guns is simplifying things too much.
Yeah guns should contribute to violent crimes but they are but a tool, and it's not like there aren't deadly weapons besides firearms. Not having a gun won't make a violent person suddenly not violent nor will having a gun make a peaceful person suddenly go on a shooting spree of everyone who ever double-parked him/her at the Whole Foods.
Social pressure, ethnic tension, gang crimes, poor education, bad upbringing and poverty are far more "compelling" reasons for violent crimes than gun ownership.
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On January 16 2012 01:46 Darpa wrote:
New orleans was a big shock.
LOL have you ever actually been to New Orlean?. Go anywhere outside the french quarter and you a have constant feeling that your about to be robbed.
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Poor Canada, we're never on these lists  maybe in the top 100?
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On January 16 2012 01:46 Darpa wrote:
Crazy, Weird how some of the US cities are way up there, even though they seem to be run in the mill cities (Baltimore, St, Louis. Ect). New orleans was a big shock.
Other than those, not a whole lot of suprises.
I'm a little shocked by New Orleans, but I don't see how you could be shocked by Baltimore, Detroit, or St. Louis. I'm surprised Oakland isn't on their.
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On January 16 2012 10:56 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 10:35 hmunkey wrote:On January 16 2012 10:23 Tewks44 wrote:On January 16 2012 10:17 YouMake wrote:On January 16 2012 02:06 Sated wrote:Strong gun control = Less violent cities. UK UK UK! + Show Spoiler +Sorry, but it was hard to resist, given all the USA USA USA! stuff elsewhere on the Forums I'm an American citizen and a proud firearm owner of many different varieties, and I don't see how gun control would impact crime in America. All it does is it make it harder for the law biding citizen to attain what our constitution says you can legally own. Only .2% of all violent crimes in America are committed with legally owned firearms. It's the black market trade where the criminalizes get their weapons from. I'm a strong believer in more guns less crime. I live in NY state and I have a conceal carry permit for 2 almost 3 years now and i have yet to use it, IDK how you can say that gun control is a good thing. Just because i carry one doesn't mean i'm going to rob a store.. While gun control laws tend to reduce violent crimes, there has be be gun control from the start. Now that loose gun control laws have lead to a large amount of firearms coming into the U.S. it's a tad too late to decide to enforce gun control laws because they won't make guns magically disappear. But saying gun control laws have no impact on violent crime would be well.... wrong to put it bluntly. Really? Then how do you account for countries like Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, etc. that all have high rates of gun ownership but lower crime than other European states like the UK? Sweden have high rate of gun ownership? I'm living here for all my life and I know no one that have bought a gun for protection or for leisure. Most that have weapons are hunters and those are not the kind of firearms you use in common crimes. Also you need a weapon license that is fairly strict, at least compared to other country's.
Yes, it's actually pretty high compared to the rest of the world. I think Switzerland and the US is higher though. Look around!
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I guess I might think twice before accepting a job-offer from Brazil. Its make me sad =(
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Cartels are extremely powerful in Mexico, they buy out policemen, statesmen, courts all the time.
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On January 16 2012 10:57 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 10:35 hmunkey wrote:On January 16 2012 10:23 Tewks44 wrote:On January 16 2012 10:17 YouMake wrote:On January 16 2012 02:06 Sated wrote:Strong gun control = Less violent cities. UK UK UK! + Show Spoiler +Sorry, but it was hard to resist, given all the USA USA USA! stuff elsewhere on the Forums I'm an American citizen and a proud firearm owner of many different varieties, and I don't see how gun control would impact crime in America. All it does is it make it harder for the law biding citizen to attain what our constitution says you can legally own. Only .2% of all violent crimes in America are committed with legally owned firearms. It's the black market trade where the criminalizes get their weapons from. I'm a strong believer in more guns less crime. I live in NY state and I have a conceal carry permit for 2 almost 3 years now and i have yet to use it, IDK how you can say that gun control is a good thing. Just because i carry one doesn't mean i'm going to rob a store.. While gun control laws tend to reduce violent crimes, there has be be gun control from the start. Now that loose gun control laws have lead to a large amount of firearms coming into the U.S. it's a tad too late to decide to enforce gun control laws because they won't make guns magically disappear. But saying gun control laws have no impact on violent crime would be well.... wrong to put it bluntly. Really? Then how do you account for countries like Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, etc. that all have high rates of gun ownership but lower crime than other European states like the UK? Would be interesting to check that correlation using not guns in general, but handguns in particular. But yes, blaming everything on just guns is simplifying things too much.
Do you think a bigger correlation is with economic hardship and war rather than legal status of guns? From what I saw, when people want to commit crimes, they always miraculously obtain the materials required to commit the crime.
And please do not say that a correlation with the lack of gun control creates crime and poverty because it is simply not true due to common sense. And please do not state that we need guns to protect ourselves (I am looking at you guys in the first world) because it is simply just propaganda fueled by too much anecdotal evidence.
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On January 16 2012 11:04 Mobius_1 wrote:I'd like to nominate Beijing because the air will kill you. Slowly. Unknowingly. Quietly but probably not painlessly. But for outright violence USA definitely has China beat. Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 10:57 mcc wrote:On January 16 2012 10:35 hmunkey wrote:On January 16 2012 10:23 Tewks44 wrote:On January 16 2012 10:17 YouMake wrote:On January 16 2012 02:06 Sated wrote:Strong gun control = Less violent cities. UK UK UK! + Show Spoiler +Sorry, but it was hard to resist, given all the USA USA USA! stuff elsewhere on the Forums I'm an American citizen and a proud firearm owner of many different varieties, and I don't see how gun control would impact crime in America. All it does is it make it harder for the law biding citizen to attain what our constitution says you can legally own. Only .2% of all violent crimes in America are committed with legally owned firearms. It's the black market trade where the criminalizes get their weapons from. I'm a strong believer in more guns less crime. I live in NY state and I have a conceal carry permit for 2 almost 3 years now and i have yet to use it, IDK how you can say that gun control is a good thing. Just because i carry one doesn't mean i'm going to rob a store.. While gun control laws tend to reduce violent crimes, there has be be gun control from the start. Now that loose gun control laws have lead to a large amount of firearms coming into the U.S. it's a tad too late to decide to enforce gun control laws because they won't make guns magically disappear. But saying gun control laws have no impact on violent crime would be well.... wrong to put it bluntly. Really? Then how do you account for countries like Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, etc. that all have high rates of gun ownership but lower crime than other European states like the UK? Would be interesting to check that correlation using not guns in general, but handguns in particular. But yes, blaming everything on just guns is simplifying things too much. Yeah guns should contribute to violent crimes but they are but a tool, and it's not like there aren't deadly weapons besides firearms. Not having a gun won't make a violent person suddenly not violent nor will having a gun make a peaceful person suddenly go on a shooting spree of everyone who ever double-parked him/her at the Whole Foods. Social pressure, ethnic tension, gang crimes, poor education, bad upbringing and poverty are far more "compelling" reasons for violent crimes than gun ownership.
Well having a gun allows you to kill more people easily than a knife or a club.
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On January 16 2012 11:06 glasgow wrote:LOL have you ever actually been to New Orlean?. Go anywhere outside the french quarter and you a have constant feeling that your about to be robbed.
No I haven't been to New Orleans, Hence the reason it was a shock. My perception of it is clearly not where it should be given its listed among what I thought were much more dangerous cities. No need to be rude.
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Hmmm, I expected Urumqi, China to be up there (as well as a lot of central/sub-Saharan Africa, Iraq/Afghanistan, etc.). Does homicide only cover criminal murders (but not say, government crackdowns and/or war)?
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On January 16 2012 11:31 SerpentFlame wrote:
Hmmm, I expected Urumqi, China to be up there (as well as a lot of central/sub-Saharan Africa, Iraq/Afghanistan, etc.). Does homicide only cover criminal murders (but not say, government crackdowns and/or war)?
I believe they can only rely on official figures, and the chinese goverment doesn't seem like the type of goverment that would release figures that make them look bad if they don't have to.
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I expected more places from Africa such as cities in Somalia, im surprised.
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I'm a little disappointed that Detroit's only 30
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On January 16 2012 11:34 GettingIt wrote:
I expected more places from Africa such as cities in Somalia, im surprised.
There's hardly a functioning goverment in Somalia, so I don't that statistics are among their priorities.
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surprised that Oakland isn't on there, but maybe the town is starting to shape up
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10-20 years ago and we (Belfast) woulda made it on that list.
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On January 16 2012 11:22 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 10:57 mcc wrote:On January 16 2012 10:35 hmunkey wrote:On January 16 2012 10:23 Tewks44 wrote:On January 16 2012 10:17 YouMake wrote:On January 16 2012 02:06 Sated wrote:Strong gun control = Less violent cities. UK UK UK! + Show Spoiler +Sorry, but it was hard to resist, given all the USA USA USA! stuff elsewhere on the Forums I'm an American citizen and a proud firearm owner of many different varieties, and I don't see how gun control would impact crime in America. All it does is it make it harder for the law biding citizen to attain what our constitution says you can legally own. Only .2% of all violent crimes in America are committed with legally owned firearms. It's the black market trade where the criminalizes get their weapons from. I'm a strong believer in more guns less crime. I live in NY state and I have a conceal carry permit for 2 almost 3 years now and i have yet to use it, IDK how you can say that gun control is a good thing. Just because i carry one doesn't mean i'm going to rob a store.. While gun control laws tend to reduce violent crimes, there has be be gun control from the start. Now that loose gun control laws have lead to a large amount of firearms coming into the U.S. it's a tad too late to decide to enforce gun control laws because they won't make guns magically disappear. But saying gun control laws have no impact on violent crime would be well.... wrong to put it bluntly. Really? Then how do you account for countries like Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, etc. that all have high rates of gun ownership but lower crime than other European states like the UK? Would be interesting to check that correlation using not guns in general, but handguns in particular. But yes, blaming everything on just guns is simplifying things too much. Do you think a bigger correlation is with economic hardship and war rather than legal status of guns? From what I saw, when people want to commit crimes, they always miraculously obtain the materials required to commit the crime.
Considering that in Europe and other low crime-rate countries most murders seem to be done "on the fly" in affect, the person in question does not have time to search for guns if he does not have one. And when you add that and ease of more deaths when using a gun compared to knife or club it actually makes a difference. There were instances here where a guy suddenly went nuts and killed few people with privately owned gun. Without that gun he would be able to kill at most one person. Crazies like Breyvik will get the guns no matter what (without instituting some pretty totalitarian measures), but the others that I described would not get the gun. And those happen quite more often and more than offset the possible lives that could be saved by people in Norway being armed to the teeth and stopping Breyvik.
As for your economic hardship correlation I do not think that actually plays a big role alone. A lot of poor countries have relatively low murder rates. But I think getting rich helps with lowering murder rates if the whole society gets richer, not just parts of the society. So maybe inequality and poverty are part of the problem, but even that seems not a complete picture. I think it is deeper societal problem that is not easy to pinpoint.
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Common trend in these cities? Drugs. Although I'm sure that you could find 50 cities in Africa/Middle East that are worse.
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