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On May 15 2012 05:56 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 05:53 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I can't really explain how parts of Latin America are far more violent than the average African nation, but some others (like Chile, Uruguay and Argentina) are as safe as Western Europe.
The drug traffic certainly adds to it, but I think it's just too easy to blame it all on drugs. There seems to be something really wrong with andean and central american culture, but I can't really say what it is. It doesn't count as murder if the government does it, or if there is no government in the first place. And poverty is what's wrong. edit: poverty with very weak and ineffective governments
Sorry we couldn't steal as much as you did  .
Plus if you fuckers kept your nose out of our countries some stuff would be better.
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im pretty sure mogudishu somalia should be in that list
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Nice numbers, but you should put a bit more work into editing that long list because its very confusing numbers not being sorted out and everything being all over the place.
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Does anyone else think it's odd that most of these cites are all in the same time zone?
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I can't really explain how parts of Latin America are far more violent than the average African nation, but some others (like Chile, Uruguay and Argentina) are as safe as Western Europe.
The drug traffic certainly adds to it, but I think it's just too easy to blame it all on drugs. There seems to be something really wrong with andean and central american culture, but I can't really say what it is.
You know what seperates Chile from just about every other south american nation? It isn't aligned with US interests, frequently cozying with Cuba and China D:.
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Detroit #30? Clearly the makers of this list have never been to my home town. A city notorious for clearing murders as suicides/overdoses.
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On May 15 2012 14:37 Half wrote:Show nested quote +
I can't really explain how parts of Latin America are far more violent than the average African nation, but some others (like Chile, Uruguay and Argentina) are as safe as Western Europe.
The drug traffic certainly adds to it, but I think it's just too easy to blame it all on drugs. There seems to be something really wrong with andean and central american culture, but I can't really say what it is.
You know what seperates Chile from just about every other south american nation? It isn't aligned with US interests, frequently cozying with Cuba and China D:.
Oh right its America's fault that there is violence in South America. And Venezuela is totally a puppet of the US.
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I happened to graduate from a high school in El Salvador a few years back. Unlike Mexico it doesn't have the economy to support an effective police force so they simply let gangs go at each other. Until this year I believe El Salvador had the highest # of homicides per capita with 15 deaths a day (the country is the size of pea).
Anyway, a 16 year old kid I was sponsoring was walking home from school when he and his entire class was abducted by a gang and was given the offer to join. I don't mean "offer" as a euphemism by the way, it was a real choice. The kid ended up declining but the rest of the class willingly decided to join the gang. They are now most likely part of a murder statistic.
What you have to understand is that these kids have genuinely no reason to stay in school and pursue a "normal" lifestyle. The government of El Salvador is corrupt to the point where public officials are selected by "recommendation letters" and not bureaucratic exams. Monopolies hold every aspect of business and only offer jobs in between (incompetent) family members. The security guard for the Korean Embassy in El Salvador holds a Masters Degree in International Relations and can speak 5 languages fluently. With his job, he supports his brother, who happens to hold a Masters in Civil Engineering, but can not find anyone willing to hire him. The guy considers his family lucky.
People turn to gangs because they have been ignored by a system that chooses to discriminate based on bloodlines. They turn to gangs because at least in a gang, if you break an arm, someone will get your back. They turn to gangs because otherwise they would starve to death. There's no point in attending school when no business will offer you a job, you're too poor to relocate, and the government will not support you.
The rich and powerful decry these gang members as inhumane animals who commit atrocities when in reality they are 16 year old children looking to secure their future in the only way they can. The politicians starve children into become gang members. When you take away someone's right to a future, and the freedom of choice, there isn't much left. And in the end, the ruling elite end up using the gang violence (that they themselves are responsible for) as propaganda for even more laws that strip people naked and support discrimination against the poor.
When I left El Salvador, I ran into a classmate of mine on the airport. He was about to board his family's private plane. He was a selfish, ignorant, C- student... and the automatic inheritor of a multimillion dollar vehicle import company.
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On May 15 2012 14:37 Half wrote:Show nested quote +
I can't really explain how parts of Latin America are far more violent than the average African nation, but some others (like Chile, Uruguay and Argentina) are as safe as Western Europe.
The drug traffic certainly adds to it, but I think it's just too easy to blame it all on drugs. There seems to be something really wrong with andean and central american culture, but I can't really say what it is.
You know what seperates Chile from just about every other south american nation? It isn't aligned with US interests, frequently cozying with Cuba and China D:.
Uhmmm I'm not sure if you are very informed on how our country works, we are a free market country, our interests are the ones that interest us, nobody decides what we are interested in but ourselves, and we generally dont accept foreign intervention, not even in the eartquake we recived foreign help, we solve our problems by ourselves and as a free market country, we trade with everyone, so that makes us a pretty stable economy, plus we know the U.S.A even though claims to have a free market economy, in the end does apply some national protectionism, so it isn't the best country to trade with.
We are neutral, we are hard working, we solve our problems by ourselves, we are very open to the world market, but we are reclusive in terms of foreigners, and we have strict policies, that's what makes us different.
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On January 16 2012 03:25 kukarachaa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 03:09 hypercube wrote:On January 16 2012 02:54 Solidarity wrote:On January 16 2012 02:51 isleyofthenorth wrote:
no surprise that only the US out of the highest developed countries made that list with their gun laws etc Blaming the U.S. out of every developed country due to their "gun laws etc" shows a very high amount of ignorance to the overall cause of these issues. If you think that the people causing these crimes own a legal firearm, you are sorely mistaken. And for the record, I am very anti gun. These cities are infested to the core with drug and gang problems, neither of which concern the issue of firearm laws at all. Here's a question: IF gun laws were part of the problem would you support changing them? The intentional homicide rate in the US is 4.8/100,000 The EU average is around 1.5. If the US had the same homicide rate it would mean about 10,000 less deaths per year. Maybe gun laws don't make a difference at all. Maybe they are responsible for 10% or 50%. Where would you draw the line? If you're not sure what the effect is, is it ok to dismiss it out of hand? You may be supporting a policy that causes thousands of deaths each year. Don't you feel a responsibility to actually inform yourself, instead of taking the position that seems most convenient? First of all i am against gun control and own a handgun, with that out of the way I dont believe u can say outlaw guns in U.S. and u'll have the same murder statistics as in Europe, with Mexico being next to us how fucked their situation is and how easy it is getting stuff across the border, all that gun control will accomplish are more gun cartels and a lot more violence and highly unlikely anything will change except law abiding citizens will have less guns, if situation in Mexico changes then i might be ok with stricter gun control laws until then i am against it.
Are you kidding me??! Don´t you know where all the guns from cartels come from??! They don't come from Mexico! we DO have a strict gun control!! they buy them in easy-to-be-armed United States. And also if our situation here is difficult is because of the huge drug market the US is. Do you know about operation Fast and Furious? If you don't, let me tell you that the US government in an absolutely failed "intelligence" operation introduced almost 2,000 weapons to our territory directly to cartel´s hands. I understand if you are a gun lover and they make you feel more of a man or something. But if the US doesn´t want to outlaw guns, they really should not outlaw drugs either. Reading your comment really makes me worry about how misinformed you people may be about the real situation and the shared responsibilities here. It is not easy at all to pass things from Mexico to the US, but from the US to Mexico it's really easy. You really are so wrong it scares me. Do people around you actually think the same as you?? Do you not see the big picture?? Do you just sit and tink- hey those mexicans are really screwed up, but thank god they're on the other side so that won´t affect me?? I would really, very respectfuly towards you and your co-nationals, like to know the answer. Please don't be offended, Misinformation is not your fault at all. I'm asking as a friendly neighboor.
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I've reviewed the list and to my mind, it is no wonder that there is so much violence in the cities of Latin America, as this is due to drug distribution http://www.oplaces.com/291. And drugs are always about money and weapon, so that is why Lain America is that violent region. Plus, this area is not that developed, and people there live in poor conditions, so here is the answer: drugs, poverty and low level of life.
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On March 31 2016 15:40 Christian Harris wrote:I've reviewed the list and to my mind, it is no wonder that there is so much violence in the cities of Latin America, as this is due to drug distribution http://www.oplaces.com/291. And drugs are always about money and weapon, so that is why Lain America is that violent region. Plus, this area is not that developed, and people there live in poor conditions, so here is the answer: drugs, poverty and low level of life.
Indeed, there ought to be a war on drugs!
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I don't trust this necro, "article" doesn't even have sources
locking thread
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Any updates on the list?
