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On May 15 2012 05:56 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 05:53 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I can't really explain how parts of Latin America are far more violent than the average African nation, but some others (like Chile, Uruguay and Argentina) are as safe as Western Europe.
The drug traffic certainly adds to it, but I think it's just too easy to blame it all on drugs. There seems to be something really wrong with andean and central american culture, but I can't really say what it is. It doesn't count as murder if the government does it, or if there is no government in the first place. And poverty is what's wrong. edit: poverty with very weak and ineffective governments
But the average goverment is SA is a lot stronger and stable that the average african country. Also, if poverty was the single factor again SA would be significantly less violent than most of Africa, but it isn't.
There's just something really fucked up in certain cultures around here, and since I was born and live in one of those cultures it's hardly prejudice or racism lol.
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Isn't a (partial) cause for the wars in these southern american countries the illegal state of softdrugs or am I wrong?
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I'm lucky to be born in the (somewhat) peaceful europe
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On May 15 2012 06:27 Damrak wrote:
Isn't a (partial) cause for the wars in these southern american countries the illegal state of softdrugs or am I wrong?
Yup, the only way to weaken the cartels is to cut their profits, and the only way to do that is to legalize. Good luck convincing the US government, though.
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Is New Orleans really that bad? Never been to the U.S.A. or the American continent for that matter, so I have absolutely no idea.
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On May 15 2012 06:37 Xpace wrote:
Where's Baghdad?!
The war is more of a rape than a murder really.
Just read an article for a summary in spanish tomorrow in school about killings in Mexico. 49 people in plastic bags found along a highway, 14 people found decapitated and another 9 found hanged from a bridge, all of these in the month of May. Makes the minor violence we experience over here seem like something to applaud. Seriously feel sick now...
Just read some more and it turns out as vengeance for the 14 decapitated ones, 18 were killed, jesus f'ing christ...
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I live in the south of Mexico in Playa del Carmen, and I have to say it is a very calm and beautiful place. There is some violence involved but, only if you are on wrong steps ( selling drugs, etc..)
I think violence is really hardcore on the North of Mexico thats for sure, but don´t fear the south.
Also I think there are way more dangerous places in Africa, than in some areas of Mexico, definitely not Juarez because thats one of the most violent cities in the world for years!
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I dislike very much our neigbhour countries in Latin America....Argentina and Uruguay are cool tho, even though Argenitna is getting pretty dangerous nowadays, well I guess we will just have to deal with it for now and keep on working for a better future for our neighbours.
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On May 15 2012 06:35 nkr wrote:
I'm lucky to be born in the (somewhat) peaceful europe
Sweden isnt somewhat. It Is peacefull lol. Whole scandinavia is. Wonderfull place =)
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On May 15 2012 06:37 Xpace wrote:
Where's Baghdad?!
Not violent enough to get on the list.
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this is study is somewhat wrong. I agree that cities like Vitoria in Brazil are one of the most violent in the world. But this study is based on what they can get as information. I don`t think that some countries have any acuraccy in this statistics. Even Brazil have plenty of errors in this statistics.
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On May 15 2012 06:25 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 05:56 1Eris1 wrote:On May 15 2012 05:53 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I can't really explain how parts of Latin America are far more violent than the average African nation, but some others (like Chile, Uruguay and Argentina) are as safe as Western Europe.
The drug traffic certainly adds to it, but I think it's just too easy to blame it all on drugs. There seems to be something really wrong with andean and central american culture, but I can't really say what it is. It doesn't count as murder if the government does it, or if there is no government in the first place. And poverty is what's wrong. edit: poverty with very weak and ineffective governments But the average goverment is SA is a lot stronger and stable that the average african country. Also, if poverty was the single factor again SA would be significantly less violent than most of Africa, but it isn't. There's just something really fucked up in certain cultures around here, and since I was born and live in one of those cultures it's hardly prejudice or racism lol.
You misunderstand. I'm saying the reason various African cities aren't listed here is because their governments are too inefficient/corrupt to report/tabulate things like these : /
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On May 15 2012 07:47 TheRealArtemis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 06:35 nkr wrote:
I'm lucky to be born in the (somewhat) peaceful europe Sweden isnt somewhat. It Is peacefull lol. Whole scandinavia is. Wonderfull place =)
Amen, dude (^_^)
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On May 15 2012 07:54 torm3ntin wrote:
this is study is somewhat wrong. I agree that cities like Vitoria in Brazil are one of the most violent in the world. But this study is based on what they can get as information. I don`t think that some countries have any acuraccy in this statistics. Even Brazil have plenty of errors in this statistics.
There sure might be some statistics missing but there are certainly no fewer than the numbers posted, so it could only get worse by knowing more :/
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There must be something wrong here, my city is the 44th and it's not that dangerous.
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On May 15 2012 06:25 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 05:56 1Eris1 wrote:On May 15 2012 05:53 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I can't really explain how parts of Latin America are far more violent than the average African nation, but some others (like Chile, Uruguay and Argentina) are as safe as Western Europe.
The drug traffic certainly adds to it, but I think it's just too easy to blame it all on drugs. There seems to be something really wrong with andean and central american culture, but I can't really say what it is. It doesn't count as murder if the government does it, or if there is no government in the first place. And poverty is what's wrong. edit: poverty with very weak and ineffective governments But the average goverment is SA is a lot stronger and stable that the average african country. Also, if poverty was the single factor again SA would be significantly less violent than most of Africa, but it isn't. There's just something really fucked up in certain cultures around here, and since I was born and live in one of those cultures it's hardly prejudice or racism lol.
I agree wholeheartedly. I can't imagine anyone believing culture can't influence predispositions toward violence/aggression. I'm also Colombian, but live in the states.
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On May 15 2012 12:14 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 06:25 CrimsonLotus wrote:On May 15 2012 05:56 1Eris1 wrote:On May 15 2012 05:53 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I can't really explain how parts of Latin America are far more violent than the average African nation, but some others (like Chile, Uruguay and Argentina) are as safe as Western Europe.
The drug traffic certainly adds to it, but I think it's just too easy to blame it all on drugs. There seems to be something really wrong with andean and central american culture, but I can't really say what it is. It doesn't count as murder if the government does it, or if there is no government in the first place. And poverty is what's wrong. edit: poverty with very weak and ineffective governments But the average goverment is SA is a lot stronger and stable that the average african country. Also, if poverty was the single factor again SA would be significantly less violent than most of Africa, but it isn't. There's just something really fucked up in certain cultures around here, and since I was born and live in one of those cultures it's hardly prejudice or racism lol. I agree wholeheartedly. Multicultural-equalist like to pretend this isn't true, but in many cultures, violence and brutality are simply more common, and I would be entirely un-surprised if you could extend this to ethnic groups. I'm also Colombian, but live in the states.
We have such unfair wealth distribution in Brazil, some people are literally starving to death as I type this words, here in one of the most naturally rich countries in the world. The creation of the favelas decades ago was pretty much the rich making the poor live in shitty places with sub-human conditions. In those favelas the police is the enemy and the Druglord is the people's savior, inside the favelas those who are not in gangs feel protected by the druglords, the police is corrupt and most of the times won't ever go up them.
In my city, Brasília, it's even more ridiculous, we went such ways to make sure we in the center could have our little european lives that all the marginalized workers are forced to live 50km of where they work and use SHITTY public transport(not run by the government, it is run by pretty much what we would call mafia) everyday while cramped for 1hour and a half trip to his shit work. Seriously seeing people blaming this culture which manages to be such a light-hearted, smiling one even in the most dire times makes me mad. I don't know hard life, none of you know. But some of us have seen it.
The living conditions aren't acceptable to the working class over these parts, marginalized people don't care for laws, even more when they need money to sustain their family or their crack addiction. We learned how to dominate and segregate not with our GUARANI indians, we learned with the portuguese, the english, the french and more recently with the americans(whose government had a CRUCIAL role in starting the dictatorship we had.)
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My city hangs around number 8 in top dangerous in the "US" still its pretty bad i had a friend murdered last year, wasn't even involved in anything gang oriented just graduated and everything! The thing is though he was into spice and i don't know if he killed over having the 200 hundred spice bags on him that were taken at the time. It might have been gang involved because he broke some low life's necks in a county jail cell because the guy came at him over "disrespect" nice kid too didn't deserve what he got but i guess he hung around the wrong people because he was arrested for theft at wal-mart and having a bong at him at the time.
Glad i am moving out of this hell hole soon...
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On May 15 2012 07:47 TheRealArtemis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 06:35 nkr wrote:
I'm lucky to be born in the (somewhat) peaceful europe Sweden isnt somewhat. It Is peacefull lol. Whole scandinavia is. Wonderfull place =)
Cept the weather is attrocious
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