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Spitfire
Profile Joined September 2009
South Africa442 Posts
January 16 2012 11:50 GMT
#341
Cape Town and Durban higher then Johannesburg? Find that hard to believe.
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 11:58:17
January 16 2012 11:58 GMT
#342
I can't believe we didn't make the list...... :O
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Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 12:20:39
January 16 2012 12:20 GMT
#343
Not a single city is in Europe, it's good to live here. I've never even seen a mugging, and i use to take public transports every day for years.

yay for strict gun policies ?!
Avean
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway449 Posts
January 16 2012 12:26 GMT
#344
Seems like Mexico is mentioned all over that list. I am not touching anywhere near Mexico thats for sure. All those drug cartels which kills you with freakin chainsaws .....
DenSkumle
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway108 Posts
January 16 2012 12:32 GMT
#345
I'm glad i live in Norway
MulletMurdoc
Profile Joined June 2011
South Africa46 Posts
January 16 2012 12:33 GMT
#346
Oddly enough I have lived in 2 of the 50. I believe I qualify as a bad ass
[Insert clever and witty statement here]
251
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1401 Posts
January 16 2012 12:46 GMT
#347
How can anyone be surprised at Baltimore being up there? They're "way down in the hole"
"If you can chill..........then chill."
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
January 16 2012 14:47 GMT
#348
On January 16 2012 12:09 CrimsonLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 11:55 Kukaracha wrote:
On January 16 2012 11:45 mcc wrote:
On January 16 2012 11:22 Shiragaku wrote:
On January 16 2012 10:57 mcc wrote:
On January 16 2012 10:35 hmunkey wrote:
On January 16 2012 10:23 Tewks44 wrote:
On January 16 2012 10:17 YouMake wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:06 Sated wrote:
Strong gun control = Less violent cities.

UK UK UK!

+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry, but it was hard to resist, given all the USA USA USA! stuff elsewhere on the Forums



I'm an American citizen and a proud firearm owner of many different varieties, and I don't see how gun control would impact crime in America. All it does is it make it harder for the law biding citizen to attain what our constitution says you can legally own. Only .2% of all violent crimes in America are committed with legally owned firearms. It's the black market trade where the criminalizes get their weapons from. I'm a strong believer in more guns less crime. I live in NY state and I have a conceal carry permit for 2 almost 3 years now and i have yet to use it, IDK how you can say that gun control is a good thing. Just because i carry one doesn't mean i'm going to rob a store..



While gun control laws tend to reduce violent crimes, there has be be gun control from the start. Now that loose gun control laws have lead to a large amount of firearms coming into the U.S. it's a tad too late to decide to enforce gun control laws because they won't make guns magically disappear. But saying gun control laws have no impact on violent crime would be well.... wrong to put it bluntly.

Really? Then how do you account for countries like Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, etc. that all have high rates of gun ownership but lower crime than other European states like the UK?

Would be interesting to check that correlation using not guns in general, but handguns in particular. But yes, blaming everything on just guns is simplifying things too much.

Do you think a bigger correlation is with economic hardship and war rather than legal status of guns? From what I saw, when people want to commit crimes, they always miraculously obtain the materials required to commit the crime.

Considering that in Europe and other low crime-rate countries most murders seem to be done "on the fly" in affect, the person in question does not have time to search for guns if he does not have one. And when you add that and ease of more deaths when using a gun compared to knife or club it actually makes a difference. There were instances here where a guy suddenly went nuts and killed few people with privately owned gun. Without that gun he would be able to kill at most one person. Crazies like Breyvik will get the guns no matter what (without instituting some pretty totalitarian measures), but the others that I described would not get the gun. And those happen quite more often and more than offset the possible lives that could be saved by people in Norway being armed to the teeth and stopping Breyvik.

As for your economic hardship correlation I do not think that actually plays a big role alone. A lot of poor countries have relatively low murder rates. But I think getting rich helps with lowering murder rates if the whole society gets richer, not just parts of the society. So maybe inequality and poverty are part of the problem, but even that seems not a complete picture. I think it is deeper societal problem that is not easy to pinpoint.

EDIT:typo


Oh, the US has a very, very high murder per capita rate, and they're not exactly a third-world country. They're like fighting in the top ten along South Africa and Mexico.
So yeah, I think you can kind of blame guns.



Murder rate world wide (2010): 6.9.

Murder rate in the US (2010): 4.8.

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Globa_study_on_homicide_2011_web.pdf


Didn't find those figures, but quoting this very document:

"42 per cent of global homicides are actually committed by firearm. Homicides in the Americas are more than three and a half times as likely to be perpetrated with a firearm than in Europe (74 per cent vs. 21 per cent)"

"The role played by firearms in homicide is fundamental and, while the specific relationship between firearm availability and homicide is complex, it appears that a vicious circle connects firearm availability and higher homicide levels. Firearms undoubtedly drive homicide increases in certain regions and where they do members of organized criminal groups are often those who pull the trigger."

"In many countries with high homicide rates the share of firearm homicides is also greater and is often associated with the illicit activities of organized criminal groups."


Also, here are the numbers I find:
USA - 5.9 murders/100 000 people (rank 63) = a respectable position (the average being 11.1, but still ranked with third-world countries).
I mistook the murder rate for the firearm murder rate, which is the one that places the US at rank 4.


Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32073 Posts
January 16 2012 14:53 GMT
#349
On January 16 2012 01:46 Darpa wrote:
Crazy, Weird how some of the US cities are way up there, even though they seem to be run in the mill cities (Baltimore, St, Louis. Ect). New orleans was a big shock.
Other than those, not a whole lot of suprises.


All of the us cities on there are notorious for their ghettos. Baltimore and Detroit specifically.

My questions is where the fuck is Camden??? Shit's gone soft down there.
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RelZo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hungary397 Posts
January 16 2012 14:56 GMT
#350
Based on what I've heard from friends, I'm suprised that Moscow is not on the list. St Louis was also shocking though, my girlfriend used to live there for quite a while O.o
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blehster
Profile Joined March 2011
Hong Kong4 Posts
January 16 2012 14:57 GMT
#351
On January 16 2012 01:47 Count9 wrote:
YEAHHH!!! We made it! Go Saint louis!!!

I'm actually really surprised some of the smaller cities in China and south west Asia aren't on this list, they are a total mess. I guess they aren't completely doing this per capita because those cities would have ridiculously high rates.



not really, we chinese are very peaceful!
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 18:12:08
January 16 2012 18:11 GMT
#352
On January 16 2012 23:57 blehster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:47 Count9 wrote:
YEAHHH!!! We made it! Go Saint louis!!!

I'm actually really surprised some of the smaller cities in China and south west Asia aren't on this list, they are a total mess. I guess they aren't completely doing this per capita because those cities would have ridiculously high rates.



not really, we chinese are very peaceful!


Although I don't doubt Chinese cities can't be that bad it would be true China is a nightmare for statisticians because of how closed off their crime reporting is.... I don't think we'll ever get an accurate picture of Chinese city crime rates.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
January 16 2012 20:03 GMT
#353
You will be surprised how many unreported local criminal, corruption and civil issues occurring daily in China.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Rexking
Profile Joined October 2011
United States45 Posts
January 16 2012 20:22 GMT
#354
I don't see Rio de Janeiro there.
"A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." Bruce Lee.
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
January 16 2012 20:24 GMT
#355
On January 16 2012 23:53 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:46 Darpa wrote:
Crazy, Weird how some of the US cities are way up there, even though they seem to be run in the mill cities (Baltimore, St, Louis. Ect). New orleans was a big shock.
Other than those, not a whole lot of suprises.


All of the us cities on there are notorious for their ghettos. Baltimore and Detroit specifically.

My questions is where the fuck is Camden??? Shit's gone soft down there.


Yeah inner city Detriot might as well be a different country. The level of gang related violence that goes on there is astonishing, dozens of kids get gunned down every year fighting over crap neighborhoods.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Huggenator
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa12 Posts
January 16 2012 20:52 GMT
#356
On January 16 2012 20:50 Spitfire wrote:
Cape Town and Durban higher then Johannesburg? Find that hard to believe.


Ditto! I say that he cops are so lazy in SA that most the crimes are not reported properly.

My friends car was stolen when we went to the local police station they said: ok so what? We were speechless and just left. The rage came later. I bet allot of stats are lost like this.

A country like the USA I would imagine would have close to perfect stats. So its sort of unfair this list. But still an eye opener.

Also so sad that my country has 4 entries :-(

34 Cape Town South Africa 1.614 3,497,097 46.15
41 Nelson Mandela Bay Metropolitan Municipality (Port Elizabeth) South Africa 381 1,050,930 36.25
49 Durban South Africa 1.059 3,468,087 30.54
50 City of Johannesburg South Africa 1.186 3,888,180 30.50
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Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 22:08:55
January 16 2012 22:06 GMT
#357
That list seems verry biased.
Nearly all citys are in north and south america.
Maybe they just took the official numbers wich are not reliable everywhere.
Expected at least some rusian, african, and maybe palestine citys in there., but maybe its not as bad there as i thought, or other places are even much worse.
Not suprised to see only few or even none asian citys.
Asia has crime rate even lower then europe.


50-150 kills/100k thats alot
If you would live in such a city for 50 years thats like 5% change to die of murder O-o
(off course some groups of people inside a city have way higher risk then other groups)
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
January 16 2012 22:34 GMT
#358
Anybody who is surprised that Baltimore is on there has never been there or seen The Wire.
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Panzamelano
Profile Joined September 2010
Colombia248 Posts
January 16 2012 22:37 GMT
#359
well the ratios of colombia can be quite a bit exagerated since the problem in colombia its not really a "drug war" but rather an inner civil war against some guerrillas that has been going on for decades now :/
zdfgucker
Profile Joined August 2011
China594 Posts
January 16 2012 22:44 GMT
#360
On January 16 2012 23:57 blehster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:47 Count9 wrote:
YEAHHH!!! We made it! Go Saint louis!!!

I'm actually really surprised some of the smaller cities in China and south west Asia aren't on this list, they are a total mess. I guess they aren't completely doing this per capita because those cities would have ridiculously high rates.



not really, we chinese are very peaceful!


Yeah, I can't imagine living in one of those cities. I have never been bothered in HK. Ever.
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