EPTTaiwanese Elections Thread - Page 5
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
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chennis
Taiwan227 Posts
On January 15 2012 15:09 Taiwanese wrote: Easy to refute - you say he wasn't president at the time, and that he was running for presidency. You're wrong right there, he was president at the time, running for re-election. So you don't know your facts. The fact that you think a TV station or radio station can get away with advocating for the murdering of a president is retarded and should easily be provable by any court threats for incitement of violence etc. But of course you're just pulling shit out of your ass. You are right, he was re-running, my bad. But like i said, they had nothing to gain from that assassination, so its not like i am pulling shit out of my ass now am I, he was actually down in polls before that whole fiasco happened. As for the radio station (my bad it was radio, wasn't TV so I apologize), Yes they are monitored, but its not like they said it super obvious like "hey lets all go kill Ma!" People call in to express their views, and words such as "assassinating" or "beat him up" show up in their discussion about Ma. Now I don't know how the hosts react, but of course I would assume they either remain quiet or stops them. The point remains, however, people have discussed about threatening Ma. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
On January 15 2012 15:09 Taiwanese wrote: Easy to refute - you say he wasn't president at the time, and that he was running for presidency. You're wrong right there, he was president at the time, running for re-election. So you don't know your facts. The fact that you think a TV station or radio station can get away with advocating for the murdering of a president is retarded and should easily be provable by any court threats for incitement of violence etc. But of course you're just pulling shit out of your ass. Maybe cause you're all sheltered and all, it's called pirate radio, these stations are often illegal first place, and authority do keep an eye on them / cracking down time to time, there are news about it that can be easily found. Assassination threat happens regularly in any country for any political reasons, and when you have bunch of super DDP supporters all in one place raging, people tend to slip up. | ||
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Taiwanese
20 Posts
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Taiwanese
20 Posts
I voted: President - DPP. Local candidate - DPP. Party vote - TSU (three representatives - fuck yeah). | ||
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Funnytoss
Taiwan1471 Posts
President - KMT Local candidate - no preference, though the DPP candidate had "Child is future" on his sign which I thought was really dumb Party vote - DPP I felt Ma could do a better job as President than Tsai at this current moment, the KMT needs an effective counterweight in the legislature, hence the Party vote. Most of my stances lean green, particularly relating to the environment and sovereignty, but then I started to take a different perspective on things. Namely, cross-strait tensions exist pretty much because the Chinese government behaves like an asshole. It's not "Chen MADE us to it" or "Tsai would provoke us". China chooses how it will react to things, it's a policy to act as a dick to Taiwan when it's able to, most noticeably in the realm of the Olympics. (arms sales are understandable, everyone complains about those as long as they're directed against you) As such, cross-strait tensions really aren't up to Taiwan. Taiwan's not the one pointing thousands of missiles across the straight. Nor is Taiwan the one that blocks another sovereign nation from entering international institutions. If Tsai getting elected would change things then I would probably vote for her, but it won't, because CHINA decides if it's going to be a dick. As such, the cross-strait issue is pretty much a non-issue for me, since there's strong enough support for de facto independence in Taiwan that Ma couldn't really sell out Taiwan completely even if he wanted to. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On January 14 2012 19:43 FindMeInKenya wrote: Guess the people have spoken. DPP must be so great that they lost this bad even with Soong helping them. Speaking from an American standpoint, I gotta say a lot of your opinions seem to be a little on the cowardly/sell-out side. America fought for its independence against a much stronger opponent and look where we are now. I'm not saying Taiwan should literally go to war with China, but considering the history of the country I live in its kind of sad to see someone vote for the loss of his own country's sovereignty. Also I'm more inclined to side with Taiwanese because your responses have less and less substance with more and more condescension each time the other guy responds to you. Stick to the facts. You also seem to argue for his points sometimes so evidently you aren't reading his posts well enough to give a good response instead of just knee-jerk reactions. Finally, this final post I've quoted is just petty and childish. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On January 30 2012 14:55 Supamang wrote: Speaking from an American standpoint, I gotta say a lot of your opinions seem to be a little on the cowardly/sell-out side. America fought for its independence against a much stronger opponent and look where we are now. I'm not saying Taiwan should literally go to war with China, but considering the history of the country I live in its kind of sad to see someone vote for the loss of his own country's sovereignty. Also I'm more inclined to side with Taiwanese because your responses have less and less substance with more and more condescension each time the other guy responds to you. Stick to the facts. You also seem to argue for his points sometimes so evidently you aren't reading his posts well enough to give a good response instead of just knee-jerk reactions. Finally, this final post I've quoted is just petty and childish. Yes, because 18th century England fighting Americans who received aid from the French, Dutch, and Spanish, using boats and rifle formations and modern warfare using ballistic missiles and armored vehicles are pretty much the same thing. America also wouldn't aid in the fighting explicitly, since it could result in nuclear weapon usage. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On January 30 2012 15:03 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Yes, because 18th century England fighting Americans who received aid from the French, Dutch, and Spanish, using boats and rifle formations and modern warfare using ballistic missiles and armored vehicles are pretty much the same thing. America also wouldn't aid in the fighting explicitly, since it could result in nuclear weapon usage. What developed country fights another developed country with weapons nowadays? Your mentioning ballistic missiles and whatnot is pretty irrelevant considering how the world currently stands. And your point about America not engaging in fighting goes both ways and thus supports my point about the lack of actual combat between developed nations. I'm gonna respond later about the significance of foreign aid in the American Revolution after a bit of research. I doubt the Spanish especially even helped us much. This guy is advocating lying down and letting China take Taiwan's sovereignty without even the threat of arms. How is that not sad? Edit: Basically most of what I saw from his posts that wasn't directly refuted by Taiwanese was that "China is the bully, yes, but we should let them take over because they will stop bullying us." I just don't like that kind of thinking much. Edit 2: The French did offer significant help to the Americans in the war (well, after we won the Battle of Saratoga at least) but mentioning the Spanish and the Dutch was just an attempt to make your point look more substantial. They didn't really help much at all. | ||
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Funnytoss
Taiwan1471 Posts
Taiwan's weak not because of its military position - it's been severely behind China for the past decade. Rather, it's weak because the world doesn't care about it. People are perfectly willing to overlook the CCP's human rights abuses if they can make money in China. It's just that simple. So long as China continues to be a huge profit machine, Taiwan's gonna get screwed. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
On January 30 2012 19:29 Funnytoss wrote: Fact of the matter is that it suits most of the world to screw Taiwan over, on the diplomatic front at least. In a sense, China possesses a strong advantage over Taiwan not because of military strength. I'd argue that China's military buildup is aimed primarily towards the United States, not Taiwan. Yeah, it does want to bully Taiwan into submission, but its increasing effectiveness does not come from its weaponry. China already has the military might to take over Taiwan now if it wanted to, albeit at a heavy cost. What the CCP wants is to be able to take Taiwan at minimal cost to itself, and that would mean being able to take out a US Carrier Battle Group. Taiwan's weak not because of its military position - it's been severely behind China for the past decade. Rather, it's weak because the world doesn't care about it. People are perfectly willing to overlook the CCP's human rights abuses if they can make money in China. It's just that simple. So long as China continues to be a huge profit machine, Taiwan's gonna get screwed. I agree with you. On January 30 2012 15:45 Supamang wrote: This guy is advocating lying down and letting China take Taiwan's sovereignty without even the threat of arms. How is that not sad? The president Ma's foreign policy with China actually benefits Taiwan. What sovereignty has been taking away under his policy? Nothing! Everything Taiwan could've done before, they are still able to now. Instead, a few more options has opened up because China relax its pressure. Do people actually believe that Ma want to hand the island over to China? You could ask anyone on the street, no one would want that, he will get shot down in no time, even by his own supporters. The majority knows (He is re-elected), this policy benefits Taiwan, while literally at no cost. In fact Ma didn't even do anything special with his policy, he just didn't yell out all day that Taiwan wants indpendence like his predecessor. | ||
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