EPTOn January 14 2012 21:46 emucxg wrote:
haha, china must be very happy now <3
haha, china must be very happy now <3
So is US, and majority of Taiwanese.
Taiwanese Elections Thread - Page 4
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
So is US, and majority of Taiwanese. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On January 14 2012 19:54 Shiragaku wrote: Bleh...DPP losing again. What a pity. No...just no... Though I am heavily against the KMT, the thing we both have in common is that we are against unification with China. All I'm saying is that what ever it is that Taiwan is doing is obviously not working. You should just just accept it first and sign some deal that guarantee your safety and development for the next 100 years, who knows what would happen to China in that time, if people revolt against CCP then you can have your shot at declaring independence. | ||
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harties
South Africa4 Posts
On January 14 2012 16:17 stfn wrote: Surprised nobody mentioned the heavy underworld ties connected to the Taiwanese political parties as well as allowing such organizations to actively operate with no penalty under law. I would like to read more about this | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On January 14 2012 22:10 haduken wrote: All I'm saying is that what ever it is that Taiwan is doing is obviously not working. You should just just accept it first and sign some deal that guarantee your safety and development for the next 100 years, who knows what would happen to China in that time, if people revolt against CCP then you can have your shot at declaring independence. They signed 九二共識 though, but already got ignored by DPP | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
Must be nice being able to express political opinions of your own country without going to jail or disappearing suddenly without warning! Here's a hint: you can't do that in China, or in Taiwan 30years ago under the KMT. Also why sell our freedom when only the rich industrialists will profit ? Normal people are literally fucked, new university graduates here barely make 1k US$ a month, while the price of property continue rise and is already unaffordable to most married couples, and the nation has one of the the worst birth rate quota in the world because they just cannot afford to raise kids. On January 14 2012 01:39 DrTyrant wrote: I support the Kuomintang, they seem to be the more right-wing party of the bunch. Also they've ruled the Republic of China for nearly a hundred years, so they know what they are doing. Not to mention the KMT support closer relations with my own country, the United States. I don't know where you learn your history lessons from buddy, the KMT leadership flipped out when Carter chose People's Republic of China over ROC, and pull out of the U.N even though he was not required to do so, but he did so out of anger He was also the descendant of the generalissimo of the single party government known as the KMT, great example of democracy there. It took a good amount of political activism from numerous university students and intellectuals, resulting in political exiles, jailing and even deaths, before the KMT realized that changes are needed or social chaos would ensue. It was similar to South Africa's freedom movement in that regard. Show me why the KMT is closer more pro-USA when they are literally strengthening economic ties with China(ECFA) while last week, Obama announced that the US forces will be strengthen in the Pacific region, specifically due to China's growing military power. The DPP will not do anything as rash as declaring for independence, otherwise they would've done it 12 years ago at their peak. Nobody wants war. It boogles me that people are voting AWAY their freedom of political choice(especially that of subsequent generations), since that is what's happening slowly with the KMT continuing their rule. Perhaps they hate using Google that much? The KMT was literally like the Communist party in their past, except they lost the war and fled to Taiwan. They both had totalitarian rulership, widespread propaganda, and both wanted to unify China as one entity, after they killed off the other of course . It's ironic that both they and China are willing to make out now just because of financial gains... of a few selected individuals. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
国民党万岁 | ||
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stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
I no longer identify myself as taiwanese as I've lived most of my conscious life in the US but with all the "democracy" that is trying to grow throughout the world, its good to see a tiny island nation with very little friends (random islands in the pacific??) continue to prosper. Sure the economy is not rolling, but many countries is currently in economic crisis? The health care is very good (universal baby!) and for the most part Taiwan is progressing. There is no censor of the internet, they get the latest gadgets (well they make them so duh), they hold some of the last remnants of Chinese culture in their museums, and some of the friendliest people you will ever meet. All religion is tolerated as are alternative lifestyles (no active persecution), noone is going to jail for speaking out (at least that we know of!) against the government, and there are no permits telling you where you can live and work. The fights, demonstrations, and otherwise hilarious (to us) public displays reflects people's passions and showing constituents they will literally fight for you as they claim in their speeches. People point out ex Prez Chen's corruption and jailtime, that my friends is not failure but a free society where noone if dumb enough to get caught will be let off. Corruption is even here in the US, but I can't think of a high ranking politician going to jail for it, no matter what taxes they avoided and what benefits they gotten from companies that they fight for. For those that are unaware, go to your local asian food store and buy a taiwanese peach. Eat it and you will love Taiwan as well. Sadly Taiwanese food is all that remains of my passion for my homeland (AMURICA!!!) but it is a good "country" and a good underdog to root for. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
China doesn't want to fight a war with the US over Taiwan right on its doorstep. China's military and Taiwan itself would get wrecked in a war neither side wants that. The KMT wouldn't mind Taiwan becoming more authoritarian and rejoined with China as long as the CCP gives them a favored place in the new Taiwan political structure. Chiang would roll in his grave but the KMT these days doesn't care. | ||
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Celadan
Norway471 Posts
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Taiwanese
20 Posts
On January 15 2012 01:22 T0fuuu wrote: Needs more fake assasinations and brawling. And it's idiots like you who think a shot to the body can be faked that Taiwan needs less of. | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
On January 15 2012 11:47 Taiwanese wrote: And it's idiots like you who think a shot to the body can be faked that Taiwan needs less of. I think you're just butthurt that DPP lost. On January 15 2012 00:10 Caller wrote: ALL HAIL THE KMT 国民党万岁 Good try xD But Taiwan uses traditional huehuehue | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
My parents lean more KMT while my grandpa is super DPP, to the point that he actually broke down and cried when my parents brought up chen shui bian being corrupt (we don't bring up politics much anymore) Personally I don't know enough about either of the two parties to have an opinion about the results but either way I hope Taiwan continues to build economic ties with China without reunification. | ||
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divinesage
Singapore649 Posts
From the economic viewpoint, Ma is doing an excellent job at that, but compromising Taiwan's sovereignity does seem a little too much (although he claims otherwise). Don't know much about Tsai though, but DPP does have a bad name to the CCP though, so much so that they don't want the DPP in power. | ||
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chennis
Taiwan227 Posts
As for the whole Chen assassination thing...its pretty controversial and there's really no need for any name calling or personal attacks. Now if I remembered correctly..at the time... - Chen was pretty much losing in every poll conducted by all the major TV stations, despite their political preferences, so KMT had less to gain from the shooting. - The shooter has to be extremely skilled, definitely a professional. - The shooter did not hit the head or any other any vital organs. The following is still true today: - DPP(or maybe just Chen, but he's certainly done it while running for presidency) has a history of pinning things on the KMT, like the car accident involving Chen's wife Wu. (driver was actually supporter of DPP). - Local radio/TV station in southern Taiwan, which is "deep green", otherwise known as hardcore DPP supports, actually pretty often talk about assassinating Ma I am not here to sway anyone's opinion in the matter, but do I think that the whole assassination thing was fake? Yea, definitely. Now keep in mind, while I have spent most of my childhood in northern Taiwan, I have relatives in TaiNan who are hardcore DPP supporters and I do visit them pretty often, so it's not like i am completely oblivious to whats going on there. | ||
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Taiwanese
20 Posts
On January 15 2012 14:03 chennis wrote: Ma is not compromising Taiwan's sovereignity, despite claims by many DPP supporters. The fact is that NO ONE in taiwan wants to be reunified with China, regardless of their political preferences. As for the whole Chen assassination thing...its pretty controversial and there's really no need for any name calling or personal attacks. Now if I remembered correctly..at the time... - Chen was pretty much losing in every poll conducted by all the major TV stations, despite their political preferences, so KMT had less to gain from the shooting. - The shooter has to be extremely skilled, definitely a professional. - The shooter did not hit the head or any other any vital organs. The following is still true today: - DPP(or maybe just Chen, but he's certainly done it while running for presidency) has a history of pinning things on the KMT, like the car accident involving Chen's wife Wu. (driver was actually supporter of DPP). - Local radio/TV station in southern Taiwan, which is "deep green", otherwise known as hardcore DPP supports, actually pretty often talk about assassinating Ma I am not here to sway anyone's opinion in the matter, but do I think that the whole assassination thing was fake? Yea, definitely. Now keep in mind, while I have spent most of my childhood in northern Taiwan, I have relatives in TaiNan who are hardcore DPP supporters and I do visit them pretty often, so it's not like i am completely oblivious to whats going on there. WTF? So basically you're saying: "Oh hey, I'm the President but I might lose the election. I trust you, professional shooter, to shoot me in the stomach while I'm on a moving vehicle so I can win the election. Yay, it worked?" FFS. As for your other claims, WTF are you talking about? The driver was never caught so how the fuck do you know they're a DPP supporter? Also the KMT have a huge historic record of assassinations, 228 incident, Kaoushiong incident, etc. So there's a precedent for murdering on their side. And WTF are you talking about the local radio and TV stations talking about assassinating the President - what a load of bullshit - do you have any proof of this? It's people like you who make up ridiculously bullshit claims and propaganda that contribute to ignorance. | ||
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chennis
Taiwan227 Posts
And hey, guess what? Chen was not the president at the time, he was running FOR presidency. So how is this whole assassination thing farfetched? he gambled, and it worked. Like I said, KMT had little to nothing to gain from this assassination, that's why I did not buy it. Oh and http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/張榮財 http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/jw!yK_QQRCBBALKGMhxUKop9vF0/article?mid=2434&prev=2546&next=2427&l=f&fid=22 + a bunch of other articles, you can just simply google his name. So hey look, guess who's ignorant and making up "bullshit claims" now? Also, election is over, so while people are disappointed, maybe we can all hope that Ma does a good job for the next 4 years. Listening to ideas by other parties was a good start, lets hope he can keep it up. You can refute my statements all you want, like I said, I am not here to sway your opinions, so I am just going to leave it at that. | ||
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Taiwanese
20 Posts
On January 15 2012 14:27 chennis wrote: I have PERSONALLY listened to the said radio stations as well as MANY OTHER PEOPLE, like I said, they are local so maybe you don't see them, but I did. So i don't see how I can prove this. I don't need you to believe me, that's fine. And hey, guess what? Chen was not the president at the time, he was running FOR presidency. So how is this whole assassination thing farfetched? he gambled, and it worked. Like I said, KMT had little to nothing to gain from this assassination, that's why I did not buy it. Oh and http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/張榮財 http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/jw!yK_QQRCBBALKGMhxUKop9vF0/article?mid=2434&prev=2546&next=2427&l=f&fid=22 + a bunch of other articles, you can just simply google his name. So hey look, guess who's ignorant and making up "bullshit claims" now? Also, election is over, so while people are disappointed, maybe we can all hope that Ma does a good job for the next 4 years. Listening to ideas by other parties was a good start, lets hope he can keep it up. You can refute my statements all you want, like I said, I am not here to sway your opinions, so I am just going to leave it at that. Easy to refute - you say he wasn't president at the time, and that he was running for presidency. You're wrong right there, he was president at the time, running for re-election. So you don't know your facts. The fact that you think a TV station or radio station can get away with advocating for the murdering of a president is retarded and should easily be provable by any court threats for incitement of violence etc. But of course you're just pulling shit out of your ass. Edit: Just reading those links now, BRB. | ||
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