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election on the 14th in taiwan, which is soon!
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Thanks for the brawl vids!
Love Taiwan Parliament.
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I support the Kuomintang, they seem to be the more right-wing party of the bunch. Also they've ruled the Republic of China for nearly a hundred years, so they know what they are doing. Not to mention the KMT support closer relations with my own country, the United States.
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I saw Taiwanese elections and came here for the brawl videos. We should do that here, might send of the oldies to early retirement.
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that first brawl video was epic nice music just made it good,
will be intresting to see who will win
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Oh my gosh, those parliament brawls are hilarious. By the way, anyone else unable to vote in the poll?
Edit: Nevermind, I figured out how to vote.
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Very torn on this election.. while I do believe China is Taiwan's future and cross-strait cooperation will bring prosperity to both nations -- I do feel at times that the KMT compromises Taiwan's sovereignty and dignity for the sake of economic improvement. On the flip-side, now that Taiwan and China's fate are bound together, the country cannot risk another DPP candidate of the divisive flavor. Though I do not find Ms. Tsai to be particularly controversial, her mere link with the party is enough to throw China into a furor. Will be an interesting election indeed...
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Wait the PRC government actually allows people to visit the ROC? By the way, couldn't the PRC people just visit Macau or Hong Kong where they have democratic elections all the time?
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Thanks very much OP.
On January 14 2012 01:39 DrTyrant wrote:
I support the Kuomintang, they seem to be the more right-wing party of the bunch. Also they've ruled the Republic of China for nearly a hundred years, so they know what they are doing. Not to mention the KMT support closer relations with my own country, the United States.
That's because up until 1996, Taiwan did not have democratic elections. One year after the Tienanmen incident, the same protests happened in Taiwan in 1990. Thankfully, President Lee accepted the student protester's demands and made it so that after his six year term there would be an election.
In 1996, President Lee won 53% to the DPP candidate's 24%.
Random facts: The first ever DPP candidate, whose name escapes me, was persecuted by the KMT in the 70s for being politically active, distributing pamphlets at university advocating for democratic elections (to give an idea of how 'free' Taiwan was back then). He was sentenced to 18 years in jail but Amnesty International brought his case to the spotlight and he was able to exile to Europe and America. He returned in 1996 to stand and President Lee allowed him to no longer be 'blacklisted'.
President Lee later went on to side with the DPP, and in 2000 the DPP won the second election. Many in the KMT are angry at him for doing so. The DPP won a second term in 2004 after an attempted assassination on the President won sympathy, and then in 2008 the KMT won power back due to the DPP President embezzling public funds and losing public confidence.
I went to the DPP rally tonight. It's the 5th Taiwanese election. I support the DPP because they lean towards the left. Taiwan is a very capitalist country, with a tax rate of 6%. As a result, you cannot go anywhere without seeing dozens of unemployed lying on the streets, too depressed to get up. Social welfare is limited to one single month and if you don't have family supporting you, you are fucked. Everything is user-pays - with the exception of our good public health system.
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On January 14 2012 02:20 Taiwanese wrote:Thanks very much OP. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:39 DrTyrant wrote:
I support the Kuomintang, they seem to be the more right-wing party of the bunch. Also they've ruled the Republic of China for nearly a hundred years, so they know what they are doing. Not to mention the KMT support closer relations with my own country, the United States. That's because up until 1996, Taiwan did not have democratic elections. One year after the Tienanmen incident, the same protests happened in Taiwan in 1990. Thankfully, President Lee accepted the student protester's demands and made it so that after his six year term there would be an election. In 1996, President Lee won 53% to the DPP candidate's 24%. Random facts: The first ever DPP candidate, whose name escapes me, was persecuted by the KMT in the 70s for being politically active, distributing pamphlets at university advocating for democratic elections (to give an idea of how 'free' Taiwan was back then). He was sentenced to 18 years in jail but Amnesty International brought his case to the spotlight and he was able to exile to Europe and America. He returned in 1996 to stand and President Lee allowed him to no longer be 'blacklisted'. President Lee later went on to side with the DPP, and in 2000 the DPP won the second election. Many in the KMT are angry at him for doing so. The DPP won a second term in 2004 after an attempted assassination on the President won sympathy, and then in 2008 the KMT won power back due to the DPP President embezzling public funds and losing public confidence. I went to the DPP rally tonight. It's the 5th Taiwanese election. I support the DPP because they lean towards the left. Taiwan is a very capitalist country, with a tax rate of 6%. As a result, you cannot go anywhere without seeing dozens of unemployed lying on the streets, too depressed to get up. Social welfare is limited to one single month and if you don't have family supporting you, you are fucked. Everything is user-pays - with the exception of our good public health system.
Thanks for the background history, Taiwanese/ROC politics aren't exactly my strong suite. I realize that the President of the Republic of China has only been directly elected since 1996, but you did have democratic legislative elections for your parliament though, yes?
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On January 14 2012 02:38 DrTyrant wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 02:20 Taiwanese wrote:Thanks very much OP. On January 14 2012 01:39 DrTyrant wrote:
I support the Kuomintang, they seem to be the more right-wing party of the bunch. Also they've ruled the Republic of China for nearly a hundred years, so they know what they are doing. Not to mention the KMT support closer relations with my own country, the United States. That's because up until 1996, Taiwan did not have democratic elections. One year after the Tienanmen incident, the same protests happened in Taiwan in 1990. Thankfully, President Lee accepted the student protester's demands and made it so that after his six year term there would be an election. In 1996, President Lee won 53% to the DPP candidate's 24%. Random facts: The first ever DPP candidate, whose name escapes me, was persecuted by the KMT in the 70s for being politically active, distributing pamphlets at university advocating for democratic elections (to give an idea of how 'free' Taiwan was back then). He was sentenced to 18 years in jail but Amnesty International brought his case to the spotlight and he was able to exile to Europe and America. He returned in 1996 to stand and President Lee allowed him to no longer be 'blacklisted'. President Lee later went on to side with the DPP, and in 2000 the DPP won the second election. Many in the KMT are angry at him for doing so. The DPP won a second term in 2004 after an attempted assassination on the President won sympathy, and then in 2008 the KMT won power back due to the DPP President embezzling public funds and losing public confidence. I went to the DPP rally tonight. It's the 5th Taiwanese election. I support the DPP because they lean towards the left. Taiwan is a very capitalist country, with a tax rate of 6%. As a result, you cannot go anywhere without seeing dozens of unemployed lying on the streets, too depressed to get up. Social welfare is limited to one single month and if you don't have family supporting you, you are fucked. Everything is user-pays - with the exception of our good public health system. Thanks for the background history, Taiwanese/ROC politics aren't exactly my strong suite. I realize that the President of the Republic of China has only been directly elected since 1996, but you did have democratic legislative elections for your parliament though, yes?
Technically yes, but they were all KMT legislators and you could pretty much only vote for KMT legislators because if anyone dared to stand as a non-KMT member they would be tried for sedition and jailed as political prisoners. To get a good idea of Taiwan's historical background, it's worth reading this page and then going from the links there if you wish to read further:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/228_Incident
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On January 14 2012 02:53 Taiwanese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 02:38 DrTyrant wrote:On January 14 2012 02:20 Taiwanese wrote:Thanks very much OP. On January 14 2012 01:39 DrTyrant wrote:
I support the Kuomintang, they seem to be the more right-wing party of the bunch. Also they've ruled the Republic of China for nearly a hundred years, so they know what they are doing. Not to mention the KMT support closer relations with my own country, the United States. That's because up until 1996, Taiwan did not have democratic elections. One year after the Tienanmen incident, the same protests happened in Taiwan in 1990. Thankfully, President Lee accepted the student protester's demands and made it so that after his six year term there would be an election. In 1996, President Lee won 53% to the DPP candidate's 24%. Random facts: The first ever DPP candidate, whose name escapes me, was persecuted by the KMT in the 70s for being politically active, distributing pamphlets at university advocating for democratic elections (to give an idea of how 'free' Taiwan was back then). He was sentenced to 18 years in jail but Amnesty International brought his case to the spotlight and he was able to exile to Europe and America. He returned in 1996 to stand and President Lee allowed him to no longer be 'blacklisted'. President Lee later went on to side with the DPP, and in 2000 the DPP won the second election. Many in the KMT are angry at him for doing so. The DPP won a second term in 2004 after an attempted assassination on the President won sympathy, and then in 2008 the KMT won power back due to the DPP President embezzling public funds and losing public confidence. I went to the DPP rally tonight. It's the 5th Taiwanese election. I support the DPP because they lean towards the left. Taiwan is a very capitalist country, with a tax rate of 6%. As a result, you cannot go anywhere without seeing dozens of unemployed lying on the streets, too depressed to get up. Social welfare is limited to one single month and if you don't have family supporting you, you are fucked. Everything is user-pays - with the exception of our good public health system. Thanks for the background history, Taiwanese/ROC politics aren't exactly my strong suite. I realize that the President of the Republic of China has only been directly elected since 1996, but you did have democratic legislative elections for your parliament though, yes? Technically yes, but they were all KMT legislators and you could pretty much only vote for KMT legislators because if anyone dared to stand as a non-KMT member they would be tried for sedition and jailed as political prisoners. To get a good idea of Taiwan's historical background, it's worth reading this page and then going from the links there if you wish to read further: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/228_Incident
Wow that's interesting and pretty horrible, especially considering the "White Terror" that followed it for nearly 50 years. Something similar happened to Greece during the Cold War. At least Taiwan is free now, so do you support the current existence of the ROC? An "independent" Taiwan from the ROC and PRC? Or joining the PRC? Or something else?
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On January 14 2012 03:02 DrTyrant wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 02:53 Taiwanese wrote:On January 14 2012 02:38 DrTyrant wrote:On January 14 2012 02:20 Taiwanese wrote:Thanks very much OP. On January 14 2012 01:39 DrTyrant wrote:
I support the Kuomintang, they seem to be the more right-wing party of the bunch. Also they've ruled the Republic of China for nearly a hundred years, so they know what they are doing. Not to mention the KMT support closer relations with my own country, the United States. That's because up until 1996, Taiwan did not have democratic elections. One year after the Tienanmen incident, the same protests happened in Taiwan in 1990. Thankfully, President Lee accepted the student protester's demands and made it so that after his six year term there would be an election. In 1996, President Lee won 53% to the DPP candidate's 24%. Random facts: The first ever DPP candidate, whose name escapes me, was persecuted by the KMT in the 70s for being politically active, distributing pamphlets at university advocating for democratic elections (to give an idea of how 'free' Taiwan was back then). He was sentenced to 18 years in jail but Amnesty International brought his case to the spotlight and he was able to exile to Europe and America. He returned in 1996 to stand and President Lee allowed him to no longer be 'blacklisted'. President Lee later went on to side with the DPP, and in 2000 the DPP won the second election. Many in the KMT are angry at him for doing so. The DPP won a second term in 2004 after an attempted assassination on the President won sympathy, and then in 2008 the KMT won power back due to the DPP President embezzling public funds and losing public confidence. I went to the DPP rally tonight. It's the 5th Taiwanese election. I support the DPP because they lean towards the left. Taiwan is a very capitalist country, with a tax rate of 6%. As a result, you cannot go anywhere without seeing dozens of unemployed lying on the streets, too depressed to get up. Social welfare is limited to one single month and if you don't have family supporting you, you are fucked. Everything is user-pays - with the exception of our good public health system. Thanks for the background history, Taiwanese/ROC politics aren't exactly my strong suite. I realize that the President of the Republic of China has only been directly elected since 1996, but you did have democratic legislative elections for your parliament though, yes? Technically yes, but they were all KMT legislators and you could pretty much only vote for KMT legislators because if anyone dared to stand as a non-KMT member they would be tried for sedition and jailed as political prisoners. To get a good idea of Taiwan's historical background, it's worth reading this page and then going from the links there if you wish to read further: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/228_Incident Wow that's interesting and pretty horrible, especially considering the "White Terror" that followed it for nearly 50 years. Something similar happened to Greece during the Cold War. At least Taiwan is free now, so do you support the current existence of the ROC? An "independent" Taiwan from the ROC and PRC? Or joining the PRC? Or something else?
Personally I do support the KMT's goal of closer economic relations with China, because I think in the future China will be an economic powerhouse and it's best to start establishing trade relations with them now rather than be left behind.
However, the current KMT politicians are all very corrupt - the KMT is the richest political party in the world, owning most of Taiwan's assets. President Ma's platform in 2008 included selling off these assets and returning the funds to the public (because these assets were historically owned by the public but then acquired through duress by the KMT - turning them from public assets into party assets). However, he has not done this - most likely because of pressure within the KMT.
I do support closer economic relations with China, but I feel like the KMT need much more pressure first, from losing another election, before they will make any serious internal national changes, such as returning assets to the public and helping the poor in Taiwan. I would first like to see some social welfare changes, that to me is a more pressing concern than closer economic relations.
I hope that makes sense. Basically I am not against the KMT's goals of economic prosperity. However, I feel like they still act like they deserve to be in government as of right and there is still a lot of corruption (e.g. vote buying - they bribe the city mayors to endorse them), therefore I think one more term in opposition would do them as well as the Taiwanese democratic system as a whole a lot more good. At the moment the KMT's economic goals are for the purpose of making their politicians richer (because their party owns the export industry). I hope that in the future their goals will be for the purpose of making the country's poorer people richer.
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On January 13 2012 16:41 ElMeanYo wrote:
There is also a minor party participating although it is a given that their candidate will not win:
Wow seriously? I'm sorry, but that was really uncalled for and clearly biased. Also they're not really a minor party, they have 8 seats in the Legislative Yuan.
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How Taiwanese elections work:
Incoming party tries former leaders for corruption
Incoming party proclaims victory
Party in power gets corrupt
New party approaches, accusing previous party of corruption
New party wins for anti-corruption platform
return to start
you can also just say
public taiwanelections(troll){
while peopleintaiwannumber =/= troll;
oldparty = corrupt;
newparty = anticorrupt;
newparty = oldparty;
taiwanelections(-1);
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On January 14 2012 03:32 DrTyrant wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 16:41 ElMeanYo wrote:
There is also a minor party participating although it is a given that their candidate will not win: Wow seriously? I'm sorry, but that was really uncalled for and clearly biased. Also they're not really a minor party, they have 8 seats in the Legislative Yuan.
How is it uncalled for and biased? Soong knows he doesn't have a chance of winning himself. He is standing because he wants his PFP to win more seats in the house, so he is standing to raise awareness for his own party. But anyone who thinks he is going to have a chance of winning the Presidential race is deluded. Eight seats IS a minority - compared to 72 and 33 of the KMT and DPP respectively. If the TSU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Solidarity_Union) still existed I would also call them a minor party.
To back up my non-biased statement, the last opinion polls prior to the election averaged:
English 40%
Ma 38%
Soong 7%
How much do you want to bet that he won't have a chance of winning today?
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There's no such thing as "unelectable," that's what the Obamabots said about Ron Paul and yet now Ron Paul is winning and dominating.
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On January 14 2012 03:48 DrTyrant wrote:
There's no such thing as "unelectable," that's what the Obamabots said about Ron Paul and yet now Ron Paul is winning and dominating.
Soong was electable in 2000. To say he is electable today is like saying John McCain is electable in 2012.
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