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On December 01 2011 07:08 KnT wrote:
When I stop getting charged 260% of the cost of what other countries are charged, I will stop pirating games
Did you take the Canadian to Australian dollar conversion into account?
Although it doesn't help you right now, but you are actually paying 272% for SC2 not 260%.
Edit: Point of post: it undermines your case if you don't get the math right.
Disclaimer: It is possible those are both in US dollars.
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On December 01 2011 07:08 KnT wrote:When I stop getting charged 260% of the cost of what other countries are charged, I will stop pirating games ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OmdUX.jpg) $29.99 CAD = $28.65 AUD btw
Wow, the difference there is even worse than the 70% mark-up on Australian i-Tunes...
The ridiculous internet mark-ups for Australian buyers are undoubtedly the reason that we have the largest rate of piracy per capita in the world.
Also, atleast in the case of SC2, piracy figures could be inflated because people torrent the game files because downloading them from the Blizzard server is just too slow, even when they buy the game legitimately.
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Finland8662 Posts
On December 01 2011 07:10 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 07:01 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:58 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:55 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:53 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:43 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:41 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:30 chickenhawk wrote:Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that? That analogy does not work since you cannot copy a Lamborgini. Copying is not stealing. You could copy a Lamborgini if you wanted and no one would care about that. (different story if you tried to sell it) Copying a game, movie, or music is against the law if it's distributed, for sale or for free, or is not for use of the purchaser. You are depriving the publisher/developer money they earned making and distributing the game if you give it away for free just like if you went to the store and took it off the shelf. So yes the analogy stands, especially if you read how he worded his point. The people who make games are protected under the same copyright laws that protect music and movies and I believe people who put their time, effort, money, and souls into their "product", even if you can't touch it, should get the money they deserve for creating it. It is called Intellectual Property Rights and it is a part of the Copyright Laws. So the only guy breaking the law is the guy who uploaded it. No people who pirate are also in violation, it is the same thing as knowingly buying stolen property. Your downloading copied property for free . Did I miss something? Oh FFS people do I HAVE to dig out news reports of people who downloaded pirated music and had to pay some insanely high fine or go to jail... Do we really have to have a debate on something that is illegal for a fact and has been documented as such? Please do because I've never heard of anyone having to pay anything unless his been sharing them. Although I could theoretically see that happening in US. Here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/08/internet-piracy-crackdown_n_708933.htmlHere: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-08-21/kolkata/28185076_1_downloads-police-custody-cellphone-shopand Here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/04/national/main3330186.shtmlHappy?
first link, they were sharing stuff (they speak about SERVERS, not just like, PCs with some torrent files on them)
second link, someone who was sharing music on phones he was selling? hardly your regular joe who downloads an album to run on his winamp
third link, someone who was sharing a sack load of music, again, not someone who just downloaded shit for listening
so, you failed to actually deliver what was asked, point proven? errr
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On December 01 2011 07:10 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 07:01 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:58 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:55 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:53 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:43 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:41 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:30 chickenhawk wrote:Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that? That analogy does not work since you cannot copy a Lamborgini. Copying is not stealing. You could copy a Lamborgini if you wanted and no one would care about that. (different story if you tried to sell it) Copying a game, movie, or music is against the law if it's distributed, for sale or for free, or is not for use of the purchaser. You are depriving the publisher/developer money they earned making and distributing the game if you give it away for free just like if you went to the store and took it off the shelf. So yes the analogy stands, especially if you read how he worded his point. The people who make games are protected under the same copyright laws that protect music and movies and I believe people who put their time, effort, money, and souls into their "product", even if you can't touch it, should get the money they deserve for creating it. It is called Intellectual Property Rights and it is a part of the Copyright Laws. So the only guy breaking the law is the guy who uploaded it. No people who pirate are also in violation, it is the same thing as knowingly buying stolen property. Your downloading copied property for free . Did I miss something? Oh FFS people do I HAVE to dig out news reports of people who downloaded pirated music and had to pay some insanely high fine or go to jail... Do we really have to have a debate on something that is illegal for a fact and has been documented as such? Please do because I've never heard of anyone having to pay anything unless his been sharing them. Although I could theoretically see that happening in US. Here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/08/internet-piracy-crackdown_n_708933.htmlHere: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-08-21/kolkata/28185076_1_downloads-police-custody-cellphone-shopand Here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/04/national/main3330186.shtmlHappy?
"against computer pirates who put illegal copies of movies and television series on the Internet"
"Wednesday for illegally downloading and distributing popular songs either from the Internet or from CDs on mobile phones."
"They had alleged she shared 1,702 songs online in violation of their copyrights. "
I think I said "unless his been sharing them."
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On December 01 2011 07:11 Filter wrote:
People always seem to overlook the type of games that get crushed by this type of piracy. Single player rpg's are right at the top of the list and thus we never really see any quality ones coming out these days. TW2 is an example of a game with heart and soul draped all over it that will never succeed because of the type of game it is.
Pirates need to wake up and realize how much they're hurting their industry. If a company has a choice between two concepts, one a mediocre shooter and one an amazing single player RPG they will always take the shooter because it will sell better, mostly because of online multiplayer.
Excuses for why people pirate don't hold water here when you look at the games that are getting hit by piracy.
Skyrim. End of story.
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On December 01 2011 07:12 wswordsmen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 07:08 KnT wrote:
When I stop getting charged 260% of the cost of what other countries are charged, I will stop pirating games Did you take the Canadian to Australian dollar conversion into account? Although it doesn't help you right now, but you are actually paying 272% for SC2 not 260%. Edit: Point of post: it undermines your case if you don't get the math right. Disclaimer: It is possible those are both in US dollars.
Yeah I did, editted my post just after you posted hahaha - Worked out to be ~$28.65
Either way, we're getting shafted
BTW, I didn't pirate SC2, just used it as an example being a SC forum 
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On December 01 2011 07:15 Mammel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 07:10 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 07:01 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:58 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:55 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:53 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:43 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:41 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:30 chickenhawk wrote:Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that? That analogy does not work since you cannot copy a Lamborgini. Copying is not stealing. You could copy a Lamborgini if you wanted and no one would care about that. (different story if you tried to sell it) Copying a game, movie, or music is against the law if it's distributed, for sale or for free, or is not for use of the purchaser. You are depriving the publisher/developer money they earned making and distributing the game if you give it away for free just like if you went to the store and took it off the shelf. So yes the analogy stands, especially if you read how he worded his point. The people who make games are protected under the same copyright laws that protect music and movies and I believe people who put their time, effort, money, and souls into their "product", even if you can't touch it, should get the money they deserve for creating it. It is called Intellectual Property Rights and it is a part of the Copyright Laws. So the only guy breaking the law is the guy who uploaded it. No people who pirate are also in violation, it is the same thing as knowingly buying stolen property. Your downloading copied property for free . Did I miss something? Oh FFS people do I HAVE to dig out news reports of people who downloaded pirated music and had to pay some insanely high fine or go to jail... Do we really have to have a debate on something that is illegal for a fact and has been documented as such? Please do because I've never heard of anyone having to pay anything unless his been sharing them. Although I could theoretically see that happening in US. Here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/08/internet-piracy-crackdown_n_708933.htmlHere: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-08-21/kolkata/28185076_1_downloads-police-custody-cellphone-shopand Here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/04/national/main3330186.shtmlHappy? "against computer pirates who put illegal copies of movies and television series on the Internet" "Wednesday for illegally downloading and distributing popular songs either from the Internet or from CDs on mobile phones." "They had alleged she shared 1,702 songs online in violation of their copyrights. " I think I said "unless his been sharing them."
http://www.switched.com/2009/06/19/woman-fined-1-9-million-for-downloading-24-songs/
A simple google search brought this up... I think you know how to use a browser.
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Finland8662 Posts
That would about the same case as link nro 3 on the other post...
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On December 01 2011 07:14 CortoMontez wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 07:08 KnT wrote:When I stop getting charged 260% of the cost of what other countries are charged, I will stop pirating games $29.99 CAD = $28.65 AUD btw Wow, the difference there is even worse than the 70% mark-up on Australian i-Tunes... The ridiculous internet mark-ups for Australian buyers are undoubtedly the reason that we have the largest rate of piracy per capita in the world. Also, atleast in the case of SC2, piracy figures could be inflated because people torrent the game files because downloading them from the Blizzard server is just too slow, even when they buy the game legitimately.
Doesn't the problem hold with something about imports in general and AUS.
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On December 01 2011 07:11 Filter wrote:
People always seem to overlook the type of games that get crushed by this type of piracy. Single player rpg's are right at the top of the list and thus we never really see any quality ones coming out these days. TW2 is an example of a game with heart and soul draped all over it that will never succeed because of the type of game it is.
Pirates need to wake up and realize how much they're hurting their industry. If a company has a choice between two concepts, one a mediocre shooter and one an amazing single player RPG they will always take the shooter because it will sell better, mostly because of online multiplayer.
Excuses for why people pirate don't hold water here when you look at the games that are getting hit by piracy.
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, Tops 3.4 Million Retail Sales in First 2 Days.
Yeah There won't be a Elder scrolls VI with those kind of sales.
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Polls like that are clearly designed to lead to skewed results. If you don't pirate music you either have really strict morals, or you don't care about music in general. I would say the latter is the most common.
If we use games as an example instead, which have a much more closed fanbase, you'll see why that poll is so skewed. Let's say you ask a number of ppl whether they pirate games or not. Now you've divided them into two groups, and if you examined them, you would see there's a distinct difference between the groups. The pirates consists 100% of gamers, while the non-pirates covers a larger spectrum, with ppl who doesn't want to pirate because of morals, ppl who doesn't know about pirating, and (the majority), ppl who doesn't care about games. If you look at things like that it's obvious that the pirates buys more games, they are gamers after all, and it's the same thing with music. If you don't pirate music, the chances are pretty high that you don't care much about music.
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On December 01 2011 07:20 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 07:14 CortoMontez wrote:On December 01 2011 07:08 KnT wrote:When I stop getting charged 260% of the cost of what other countries are charged, I will stop pirating games $29.99 CAD = $28.65 AUD btw Wow, the difference there is even worse than the 70% mark-up on Australian i-Tunes... The ridiculous internet mark-ups for Australian buyers are undoubtedly the reason that we have the largest rate of piracy per capita in the world. Also, atleast in the case of SC2, piracy figures could be inflated because people torrent the game files because downloading them from the Blizzard server is just too slow, even when they buy the game legitimately. Doesn't the problem hold with something about imports in general and AUS.
You're saying it'll cost $50 to import a CD in a box?
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On December 01 2011 07:12 wswordsmen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 07:08 KnT wrote:
When I stop getting charged 260% of the cost of what other countries are charged, I will stop pirating games Did you take the Canadian to Australian dollar conversion into account? Although it doesn't help you right now, but you are actually paying 272% for SC2 not 260%. Edit: Point of post: it undermines your case if you don't get the math right. Disclaimer: It is possible those are both in US dollars.
Why should I pay in foreign currency/directly converted from foreign currency for something I buy locally that does not even count as an import (digital discharge).
The companies are jewing what they consider lesser markets. Fuck 'em.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Norway28781 Posts
On December 01 2011 06:32 Brutefidget wrote:
The losers in piracy are not the developers. The losers are the people who paid for the game. To know that you paid 60 dollars to play something that others are playing for free makes you feel like a sucker.
that's not how I feel. like, I used to pirate games. up until I was 18 years old, I had prolly played a couple thousand games (most of them really small games for dos), and bought something like, 5. (or wait I also bought some compilation cds attached to magazines containing 250 games so I prolly bought like 505.)
then two things happened: I became an adult with money, and it became easier to buy games online. now I don't pirate games anymore. very little changed regarding my perception of the morality of buying or pirating games. what changed was my ability to purchase games because I could now afford to do so, and that developers realized that it's a lot easier to distribute games through letting people download them less expensively online, than through people having to go down to some store.
I've never felt like a sucker now, now I feel like a regular adult who pays for games because I can, and because I want to support the developers. I never felt like a leech before, I felt like a regular kid who wanted to play games but couldn't afford to buy them. if pirating hadn't been an option while growing up, what would have happened is that I would have done something else than play games; and then I probably wouldn't be an adult who purchases computer games today..
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piracy =/= lost sales.
I pirated your game, because it was EASY and FREE. if I couldn't pirate it, I wouldn't buy it anyways.
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http://www.switched.com/2009/06/19/woman-fined-1-9-million-for-downloading-24-songs/
A simple google search brought this up... I think you know how to use a browser.
Only in US that can be allowed. A mother of 4 children being sued by corporations for downloading 24 songs and sharing them at no profit would be fined 1.9 million dollars. That is so disgusting.
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On December 01 2011 07:27 Gorguts wrote:
piracy =/= lost sales.
I pirated your game, because it was EASY and FREE. if I couldn't pirate it, I wouldn't buy it anyways.
I've read a lot of things from a lot of people who advocate piracy.... admitting you're nothing but a thief and you're fine with that is certainly a rarity.
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On December 01 2011 07:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:32 Brutefidget wrote:
The losers in piracy are not the developers. The losers are the people who paid for the game. To know that you paid 60 dollars to play something that others are playing for free makes you feel like a sucker. that's not how I feel. like, I used to pirate games. up until I was 18 years old, I had prolly played a couple thousand games (most of them really small games for dos), and bought something like, 5. (or wait I also bought some compilation cds attached to magazines containing 250 games so I prolly bought like 505.) then two things happened: I became an adult with money, and it became easier to buy games online. now I don't pirate games anymore. very little changed regarding my perception of the morality of buying or pirating games. what changed was my ability to purchase games because I could now afford to do so, and that developers realized that it's a lot easier to distribute games through letting people download them less expensively online, than through people having to go down to some store. I've never felt like a sucker now, now I feel like a regular adult who pays for games because I can, and because I want to support the developers. I never felt like a leech before, I felt like a regular kid who wanted to play games but couldn't afford to buy them. if pirating hadn't been an option while growing up, what would have happened is that I would have done something else than play games; and then I probably wouldn't be an adult who purchases computer games today..
100% agree.
I'm a college student, I only buy games I feel that I think are totally worth my cash. For example, I bought Half Life, Half Life2, and all it's episodes. Why? Because I felt that it was the greatest thing ever, best single player ever.
Now let me tell you a story....
I pirated DA:O (dragon age origins), played it. fucking LOVED it.
I reserved DA2, bought that shit, fucking loved it!
If i never pirated DA:O, wanna know what would happen? I would've never bought DA2.
Same applied to me for diablo, and diablo 2.
Didn't buy diablo, pirated it, fucking fell in love with it.
Bought diablo 2, fucking loved it.
bought diablo 2, expansion.=
guess what? I'm probably gunna buy diablo 3 as well.
Now for skyrim. I pirated morrowind, loved it.
bought oblivion, hated it.
pirated skyrim, loved it.
Guess what I'm gunna do with Elder Scrolls VI, i might just buy it.
Pirating helps the industry as much as it hurts it.
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On December 01 2011 07:18 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 07:15 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 07:10 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 07:01 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:58 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:55 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:53 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:43 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:41 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:30 chickenhawk wrote:
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That analogy does not work since you cannot copy a Lamborgini. Copying is not stealing. You could copy a Lamborgini if you wanted and no one would care about that. (different story if you tried to sell it) Copying a game, movie, or music is against the law if it's distributed, for sale or for free, or is not for use of the purchaser. You are depriving the publisher/developer money they earned making and distributing the game if you give it away for free just like if you went to the store and took it off the shelf. So yes the analogy stands, especially if you read how he worded his point. The people who make games are protected under the same copyright laws that protect music and movies and I believe people who put their time, effort, money, and souls into their "product", even if you can't touch it, should get the money they deserve for creating it. It is called Intellectual Property Rights and it is a part of the Copyright Laws. So the only guy breaking the law is the guy who uploaded it. No people who pirate are also in violation, it is the same thing as knowingly buying stolen property. Your downloading copied property for free . Did I miss something? Oh FFS people do I HAVE to dig out news reports of people who downloaded pirated music and had to pay some insanely high fine or go to jail... Do we really have to have a debate on something that is illegal for a fact and has been documented as such? Please do because I've never heard of anyone having to pay anything unless his been sharing them. Although I could theoretically see that happening in US. Here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/08/internet-piracy-crackdown_n_708933.htmlHere: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-08-21/kolkata/28185076_1_downloads-police-custody-cellphone-shopand Here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/04/national/main3330186.shtmlHappy? "against computer pirates who put illegal copies of movies and television series on the Internet" "Wednesday for illegally downloading and distributing popular songs either from the Internet or from CDs on mobile phones." "They had alleged she shared 1,702 songs online in violation of their copyrights. " I think I said "unless his been sharing them." http://www.switched.com/2009/06/19/woman-fined-1-9-million-for-downloading-24-songs/A simple google search brought this up... I think you know how to use a browser.
And you actually want to pay to those fuckers  ? No matter how much I have money, I wouldn't.
But anyway, I don't know about US laws, but I do know that if you download anything here, you will get absolutely nothing for it. I don't actually even know if you could be sued for it here, and I couldn't care less. If it's illegal, then I'm a criminal, but as long as I don't feel like it, I will never pay for a game. I don't know if that'll change when I'm able to afford them without any problems, but right now I want to play, and I want to eat, and as long as it's possible to do both then I'm going to do it.
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On December 01 2011 07:28 chickenhawk wrote:Show nested quote +http://www.switched.com/2009/06/19/woman-fined-1-9-million-for-downloading-24-songs/
A simple google search brought this up... I think you know how to use a browser. Only in US that can be allowed. A mother of 4 children being sued by corporations for downloading 24 songs and sharing them at no profit would be fined 1.9 million dollars. That is so disgusting.
So if she was a unmarried billionaire it would be OK to you right? Her marital status or how many kids doesn't change the fact that what she did was against the law. Like I said we can have a discussion over if the law is right or not, what you can't argue is if it is against the law or not because it is a FACT it is against the law.
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